The Search for Trip Weed

[Bob Green]

I know they are recommended for the last week of flower but I have not seen any side by side comparisons.

Any 10K experts?

As far as outdoors the biggest difference I could see having UV effects would be highland vs lowland. It will be interesting to see how different varieties adapt around the planet.

I really like Red Riders Columbian thread as a case study on highs from different regions surrounding an old hotspot.

 

[yoss33]

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A small criticism: cannabinoids do not mature by UV. In fact, I bet they are destroyed by it. Maybe that's actually what they are for: sun screen. If so, UVB probably stimulates production...

To be honest, I didn't know what UVB photons cause when hitting cannabinoids, but since I thought they are hardly powerful enough to "slash" and "destroy" these molecules, most probably simply accelerate processes, I used the verb "mature" which we growers use for resin without actually knowing what this really means on molecular level Now, after a quick google search, it turns out (http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/08/19/cannabinol-cbn-will-put-you-to-bed/) that:

"When the plant develops THCA, it usually will be converted to THC as a result of heat or UV light. That being said, THCA can be converted to CBNA over time as well. Prolonged exposure to air causes the THCA to lose hydrogen molecules and oxidize; now we have CBNA. Just like the rest of the acidic cannabinoids, CBNA will convert to cannabinol (CBN) when exposed to heat or UV light."​

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@ Yoss
Are you describing UV light from the Sun or from a lamp ?
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I was talking about electromagnetic waves (from a point source) in general. So, both for the Sun and lamps. Of course, the rays coming from the Sun are much more parallel than those coming from lamps, but anyways UV light doesn't weaken with distance faster than visible light which was my point.

I personally find outdoor weed to be generally more potent than indoor (comparing same cutting), but many growers have their indoor setups good enough that this is not the case for them.
Anyways, resin under the sun matures faster, or at least I haven't smoked indoor weed with 4 weeks of flowering that can hit like an outdoor bud after a sunny September. This year I grew 2 clones of Ace/Cannabiogen's Panama outdoors and they flowered from the first days of September to the 20th of October - about 50 days. These same plants were not ready at my friend's indoor LED setup after 10 weeks of 12/12 when he had to harvest to free the room. They were twice less potent, effects somewhat lighter, though I wouldn't say they suffered in quality of the high. What got me surprised is that the plant that had a nice happy effect indoors had a heavier stony effect outdoors, and
the other plant, which had a more strong adrenaline effect indoors, had a magic comfortable effect outdoors.

 

[mayorofthdesert]

When I was in high school (I'm 45), my best childhood friend & I lived a couple hours apart but would go visit each other on occasion. We had planned a weekend of camping near where he lived, he was to bring beer and I pot. I couldn't get a hold of any, and probably wouldn't admit this if it weren't elemental to the story, but I pinched enough for a pinner from my pops. This wasn't one isolated act of thievery on my part, but it stands out because to me this weed looked like total trash,brown & seedy, no promising smell and he had only a very small amount in a film can.

My friend was unable to obtain any beer, and with only my lonely pinner to entertain us for the weekend we were a little bummed. We "camped" in this little old shack with a wood stove next to a lake owned by some friends of his parents, probably 12'x 8' small. Once set up and settled in with a good fire going, I rolled the pinner & with neither of us expecting much, sparked it up. That weekend is one of the most memorable of my life.

We put the joint out when we both realized what was happening. The cabin became entirely animated, the fire produced ominous visions - faces in the flames speaking strange languages, apparitions on the walls and moving about the room. We left the cabin & would go outside as long as we could stand the cold, still with visions but not ominous. We both wanted to stay outside with the trees, lake & serenity but we had to keep venturing in to regain our heat, and back out again to regain our sanity.

The next morning a friend of my friend came to join us for the day and brought along some beer. We recounted our story to his disbelief, and after a period of prodding, I agreed to smoke the roach with him, my friend wouldn't touch it again. I didn't get the full effect again (probably was reluctant to take full hits) but he sure did. A result of which was that he had somehow got the idea in his mind that he had to rid himself of his honda prelude at all costs (decent dirt road led to the lake). Not just be rid of it, but KILL it. Out of frustration trying to dissuade him from that idea I walked off into the woods to try to ease my mind. After a bit I heard the engine screaming and went back to see what was going on. The prelude was parked at water's edge with it's nose pointed at the lake, the driver door open and a big rock on the gas pedal. Both of them were standing, hands in pocket, waiting for it to give up the ghost. I don't recall trying to argue any more, my only memory is of what ensued. Engine seized without the spectacle we were expecting and being dissapointed, the owner decided to syphon gas from the tank, fill the interior with firewood doused in gasoline and send the thing straight to hell. It was a fearful sight to behold - an enormous fire to say the least. We went to the other side of the lake where we'd be safe and watched the spectacle. My friend who passed on the roach drank the beer & went to bed, me & my new friend spent the night in the lake digging mud from the front wheels and pushing the thing, a foot at a time, into the lake.

I'm really bad at keeping in touch with old friends & we hadn't talked since I moved away after high school. About ten years ago I went back to Ohio & looked up my old friend. After catching up on each other's lives, he brought up that weekend and asked what the fuck was in that joint. I told him I lifted it from pops and had no idea. I've always wanted to ask Dad about it, but he's sober 25ish years & we don't talk too much about that stuff. I should ask though, I'm still curious whether it was all weed or "enhanced" somehow.

 

[led05]

Thai, sorry for delay been busy w holidays... I have tried a lot of LED's, currently have a lot of LumiGrow Gear, none I have ever tested have any UVB in them per my meter. I'm sure you can make UVB LED's but my understanding is they are prohibitively expensive, I believe some models are supplemented with it however via t8 fluro tubes, think maybe solar storm had some models, going from memory here.

I must not Reptile UVA/B lights definitely do have UVA/B in them, I've confirmed this. But their Fluros pale in comparison to the Med grade ones I linked too and their MH basking lights are quite a narrow beam angle so not nearly as useful, also produce a hot beam point

I have always flowered with a mix of metal halide and high pressure sodium to try and get the widest spectrum possible. I have been thinking of adding another to get UVB and add efficiency, low heat low and low operating cost, to the mix. I believe I have read that you can use LED for ultraviolet, and order them with custom wavelength configurations. Any thoughts on LEDs?

 

[led05]

I have tested numerous 10K bulbs, even ones not supposed to be operated accept in an enclosed fixture, none put off any UVB or very negligible, I think they are beneficial due to the Blues they put out however. I tested these while not enclosed ftr

I think I mentioned before that Double Ended low Quartz MH most likely put off UVB/A but have not tested them, there are plenty of 250w aquarium models you can look at and I'm sure it's easy enough to remove them from their enclosed fixture

I know they are recommended for the last week of flower but I have not seen any side by side comparisons.

Any 10K experts?

As far as outdoors the biggest difference I could see having UV effects would be highland vs lowland. It will be interesting to see how different varieties adapt around the planet.

I really like Red Riders Columbian thread as a case study on highs from different regions surrounding an old hotspot.

 

[led05]

I was actually shocked at how far/wide 3 watts of UVB (& very little A) from a 15w bulb permeated the room. I also have lumen meters and if I were to say proportionately UVB vs most other spectrum (I don't have a spectrometer) obeys less the inverse square law of light, whether this is true or even makes sense to me (it doesn't really) I don't know but how far 3 watts of UVB actually went and what UV index readings it created 2 feet, 3 feet, even 5 feet away was surprising, pleasantly surprising. Reflector played a huge part in this as well, as for any light


"I was talking about electromagnetic waves (from a point source) in general. So, both for the Sun and lamps. Of course, the rays coming from the Sun are much more parallel than those coming from lamps, but anyways UV light doesn't weaken with distance faster than visible light which was my point."

 

[Donald Mallard]

G`day Fellas

I live on a continent with extreme UV .
I don`t notice major differences in the indoor grown compared to out door ??

Is that me not able to perceive a difference , or is the difference not quantifiable ??


@ Yoss
Are you describing UV light from the Sun or from a lamp ?


Thanks for sharin

EB .

Yes you did mention noticing the difference between the cut selected by nev but grown in holland , vs nh grown in the tropics ,,, very strong vs scary if i recall ??
try the thai grown indoor vs the thai grown in thailand ,,
there will be a difference for sure ...

noteable on some varieties more than others ...

 

[satva]

Colombian Love Fest

Colombian Love Fest

Punto Rojo - 1 ~ Jennifer Flowers the golden girl, longest flowering

 

[satva]

Colombian Love Fest

Colombian Love Fest

Punto Rojo - 2 ~ Maroon Bells - maroon flowers, fastest flowering smallest flowers

 

[satva]

Colombian Love Fest

Colombian Love Fest

Punto Rojo - 3 ~ Juicy Lucy, sweetest juicy fruit aroma, best flower formation

 

[Bob Green]

Love your style broski,

Columbian goodness right there!

 

[Huesos]

Lovely!

Lovely!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Satva - Great job with the Punto Rojo. This picture you posted looks like the best Colombian I smoked some 40 years ago:

I liked it better than Colombian Gold. This is the best bud shot of Colombian along with the buds that Red Rider posted. I'm jealous! It has all the colors I remember, gold flecks, green, brown, and red. This is the real deal.



ThaiBliss

 

[Lester Beans]

That is beautiful!!! Love the colors!

 

[Siever]

Maroon Bells looks a lot like that funky Destroyer fenotype. However everybody says that with the Destroyer it has more to do with Thai influence. I don't know. I've never grown Punto Rojo or Destroyer.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Maroon Bells looks a lot like that funky Destroyer fenotype. However everybody says that with the Destroyer it has more to do with Thai influence. I don't know. I've never grown Punto Rojo or Destroyer.

Thai & Colombian:

Two very different animals. Colombian weed is what I grew up on, from a quantity perspective. Had many different kinds, some where all time great classics. They could be overwhelming in a dreamy/narcotic/trippy way, but not speedy. Many very fond memories.

Thai is distinctively visually trippy and electric/speedy. On Colombian, my eyes are half closed from relaxation. Thai Stick eyes are 90 % closed from squinting due to excessive visual stimulation. It is way too bright, even in a dark room. LOL! If Colombian is a blissful dreamy day in the park, then Thai is going sky diving, and scary as hell. Think adrenalin rush. We do it anyway, just for fun.

I can't say anything about crosses of the two, yet... I just ordered some Destroyer from Cannabiogen.


I also ordered:

Bangi Haze
ColJam
Queen Mother
King Congo

Charlie Garcia - Sorry for dragging my feet for so long. You are obviously one of the great breeders, and I've been meaning to order from you and your associates for some time.

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo

Hey ThaiBliss, Punto Rojo -2 would stop blushing in sunlight. That photo, you like is of the bottom 1/5 of the plant a branch that's seeded and the unseeded flower tops harvested.

Punto Rojo -2 in late flower. Classic Red Colombian genetics. PR-2 was hard to photograph in full sun as the maroon colors bleach out in full sunlight.



PS> On Cannabiogen's Punto Rojo I'd delete the reference to narcotic and use euphoric and psycedelic, keep trippy and blissful day in the park. Punto Rojo has a nice centered energy flow, but its not speedy. ColJam is very clear, trippy, and cerebral, with mental energy and focus, not the work all day in the garden energy like a Mexican or Thai sativa / sativa hybrid.

PPS> In 2016, I'd like to see some discussion of the classifications of the various connoisseur Haze highs. Punto Rojo and ColJam are two of the classic early 1970's Haze highs. Highland Mexican NLD classic high, both Oaxacan NLD, Acapulco, Red Hair all skunky aromas.

One could classify the Haze high based on terpenes / aromas in the jar or colors. Green and Purple and Purple/Red Colombian Corinth Purple Colombian, or Coastal Green Colombian high was probably used often in various Haze hybrids. The Purple Haze high is stronger and denser than Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo is a classic example of sweet tropical fruit aroma.

A couple categories for Thai (SE Asian) Haze enthusiasm. Highland Thai high can be found in Destroyer (DS) and various MeoThai crosses.

 

[Riddleme]

Week 8 for a Mexi bag seed

 

[right]

Thai & Colombian:

Two very different animals. Colombian weed is what I grew up on, from a quantity perspective. Had many different kinds, some where all time great classics. They could be overwhelming in a dreamy/narcotic/trippy way, but not speedy. Many very fond memories.

Thai is distinctively visually trippy and electric/speedy. On Colombian, my eyes are half closed from relaxation. Thai Stick eyes are 90 % closed from squinting due to excessive visual stimulation. It is way too bright, even in a dark room. LOL! If Colombian is a blissful dreamy day in the park, then Thai is going sky diving, and scary as hell. Think adrenalin rush. We do it anyway, just for fun.

I can't say anything about crosses of the two, yet... I just ordered some Destroyer from Cannabiogen.


I also ordered:

Bangi Haze
ColJam
Queen Mother
King Congo

Charlie Garcia - Sorry for dragging my feet for so long. You are obviously one of the great breeders, and I've been meaning to order from you and your associates for some time.

ThaiBliss

Very nice Thai Bliss ,I'd give you rep points of I knew how.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Welcome. And thanks for the good vibes.