The Roadkill Skunk Fan Club

[Guest423]

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Your grassy brain is righton track, unfortunately there's a lack of info on all you contimplate regarding breeding if you limit yourself to what the breeders of cannabis today have not to say . I'm not sure why , my guess is that knowledgable breeders don't want hacks to gobble up & take credit for info at their own expence.My advice is to skip the f1 gen,(your not breeding for public consumption, are you?)... what you really want in a plant from clone is an extreme of the two parental lines & you'll find this in the f2 generation... while the f1 is predictable, it lacks the diversity that your looking for..
Tom


thanks tom, your one of the few knowledable breeders that even offers advice these days.

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[Guest]

I think this is the first time I've ever disagreed with you hhf. I get what you're saying about it being harder to detect potency in males and that males show their odors more easily than their potency. I think that though skunkiness isn't one of them certain smells can get insanely dificult to breed for. There's just so many variables when it comes to odors. Rose breeders are fanatical to the point of genius when it comes to odors and cannabis is even more complex.

Hola Amigo,

Now you could be right, smell and taste isnt my thing, only potentcy really is.

But what i found when playing with the Cheese lines was that the smell, the chemical and fuel side of the Skunk is in my opinion really easy to identify in the males, as it is just soo pronounced, and not all of them carry this terpenoid profile. Then not all of them deliver it to their offspring. But i can only refer to the traits carried by that clone line, as its the only line ive ever tried to follow the taste and aroma in. It was the easiest project to achieve ive ever embarked on, fixing that smell. However i lost the potentcy on a family level in the line whilst doing so.

All the best, Flores

 

[Guest423]

closest thing i've found out of all the skunk and skunk hybrids available in seed form is the HTC skunk ibl......i just got done running "the pure" and "skunk ibl" side by side and the skunk ibl was better in every catagory, growth, stableness, odor, looks, trichome development, potency, quality of high, etc....it was very clear to me even in veg, and definatly in flower skunk ibl showed more promise then "the pure".

i started the project searching for anything considered "skunky" and have a very detailed thread in the HTC forums, it has over 20,000 hits so i know people had an eye on what i was doing.

og bub says that line comes directly from his mentor from cali dating back to the late 70's early 80's and haven't been through the hands of greedy breeders and isn't watered down like the skunk#1, i agree and would back that statement up.

although i didn't find rks in the skunk ibl, i did find some males and females that would be considered "skunky" and the rest were still pungent and have that dank smell to them. i found 1 real skunky male in the skunk ibl and 1 with some real nice vigor with big plump clusters and sacs.....i used them 2 males and pollinated 5 female skunk ibls, 4 female "the pures" , and 2 female kodiak golds.

the beans are harvested and i have each females seeds in individual packets, the packet i will focus on more is the skunk ibl "skunky" female pack. it was the most skunky female skunk ibl i had crossed with them 2 males....working from that pack will be going in the best direction of what we are searching for. i also have my original 2 best females from that run in clone form....both skunk ibls.

i will be working on them both indoors and outdoors when the time comes, so i'll see where it goes from here....i still have faith in this line, i'll have way way way more of a selection process now with seeds heading in the direction i chose from my selections. the most positive thing about it all is the males possessed this "skunky" odor, especially 1 of the 2 i used...he was the most skunky male i've found.....so we'll see what this next generation from my "skunky" cross comes up with.

i really want to grow this next generation out and cross the most stinkiest skunky skunk males i can find with the mass superskunk clone....thats the direction i want to go.....i just need the mass superskunk clone.....she's a tough one to get her hands on for me.....eventually i might stumble across her.....peace out skunk lovers!!

page 4 and there's more, how could you read this thread then question me if i even want to do any work to get it back or have a clue what i'm doing? does it look like i just want someone to sell it to me?

 

[Guest423]

honestly HothouseFlowers whats your point of being in this thread? why do you want to start trouble? whats the point of giving me neg rep and sending me a guestbook entry to lolololol at my project? you think your the shit or something?

it's obvious you didn't even read the thread.

 

[Guest]

honestly HothouseFlowers whats your point of being in this thread? why do you want to start trouble? whats the point of giving me neg rep and sending me a guestbook entry to lolololol at my project? you think your the shit or something?

You silly boy, you gave me neg Karma, lol. You do the same with everyone who tries to help you and does not support your views, it is really silly. Your attitude to others offering help as they see it is stupid. Same as in the other thread, thought you might have matured a little. Obvioulsy not.

I will stay away, and look forward to watching your work with interest.

Be lucky, Flores.

 

[Guest423]

And we are off again, you have told us a million times what it means to you thanks for repeating it. I was tryin gto help you get it back, lol, as you appear to miss it. Do you have any clue about breeding or how you would go about actually getting what you want? or you just going to wait for someone to sell it to you?

Bests, be lucky
Flowers

motaco asked what it is we are looking for so i answered it for all the people that missed it even though it was mentioned over n over. he thought it was just stinky weed from the 80's.

and if you did read the thread all your other questions would of been answered.

the thread title says Roadkill Skunk Fan Club....it's obvious your not a fan.

i had a big long message for you typed up but that isn't gonna get us anywhere, i only gave you neg karma after you gave me neg karma right along with your guestbook entry laughing at my projects. my advice to you is learn to read....why don't you take a minute and read from the beginning before you post and question peoples projects and intentions?

take it to pm where you can speak your mind instead of trying to make yourself look good....why would you laugh at my projects with neg karma and my guestbook entry but in the open wish me luck and tell me you look forward to seeing it? nice try

p.s. don't try making me look bad, if you did know how to read you'd see i said "great advise" to your help offerings.....then u come right back and say this shit?

 

[Guest423]

Your all reffering to a taste. Cannabis cup winning strains like the Cheese clone are proven in potentcy, and taste, hence why it may be a good place to start. bwtfwik..

Peace, HHF

we are all refering to smell btw

 

[Guest]

Why would you go to a thread that say RKS fan club if your not a fan!
RKS is a name as far as I know,was concieved here in these forums...I have never heard it before!
Its Obvious that some of you have never smoked It. Mabey your not old enough and you think you know everything. If your not old enough to remember, then your just a pup! And I would suggest you grow up!

 

[beancounter]

Bc, if there's anything bsc can do to help you let me know. As soon as I can spare some I'm going to send you some manga rosa. Its not that close to a roadkill skunk. Its has a kind of motor oil smell and IMO it's what gives white widow its sour skunk quality. The thing about the manga rosa is it will take the sweetness out of just about anything in a cross. We're getting pretty close with manga rosa hybrids. White shark x manga rosa and ubc chemo x manga rosa are getting pretty close and I believe in the f2 or f3 I'm going to find the odor. The brazilian green is so close in buzz and look to the hairless skunk I'd like to get those traits along with the roadkill skunk trait. I'd also like to one day return th htc sunshine to brazil and grow out a thousand plants to make selections and do an open pollination of the best 50-100.

Thanks for the offer zam, I apreciate it..

Likewise, when I'm done preserving the PAKI and Nepal HP IBLs, I'll make sure you get to look thru some..

As far as the Sunshine IBL, for some reason I haven't been able to find out what her main tastes/smells are, I'll be sure to ask Bub directly to find out.. But I do have quite a few to play with, and since it's one of Bub's faves i'll definately start looking thru them soon.

 

[beancounter]

beancounter I understand exactly what you are saying about the TFD. most of it is mediocre. there are two main phenos. the gold and the flower pheno. but aside from that are numerous... too many to count phenos. But you would do exactly what you said, you'd end up with pounds and pounds of weed you weren't crazy about while breeding.

But unfortunately that is the reality of breeding. As I'm sure you know you can't just plant ten beans and select the best 3. to breed something out like a particular smell would take literally thousands of plants and several years. I don't really know that it could be done on a small scale. I mean it could, but would take an unbelievable amount of luck to happen upon the right mom and pop. But after having grown alot of skunks I think its possible.

I hear ya fully, proper breeding does take a ton of time, space, commitment and sacrifice... If I had the GH space i'd be all over the SK#1/pure to see if i could find something worth in there.. But since my space is limited, i'd rather start out with strains/cuts that are already close to the Skunk I want..

That's why I chose to start with Cheese, ECSD, DC, as they're all my faves, and clearly have some of the terpines/smells/tastes I'm looking for..

Take a look at Lou. He's growing sensi's skunk and still gets a ton of variation. Supposedly TFD's pure is the original lineup as it was released the first time. Based on the variability of it I'd say they are probably right. You can breed TFD pure anywhere you want it.

I grew Sensi's Skunk too, and while it was one of the better 'skunks', it's still nothing close to what I want, other than overall look, which i coulda care less about..

I know what u mean tho, the pure can be taken in any particular direction... But to get it into RKS it would take 1000 plant grows and alot of time, and you may still not end up with the skunk you want..

I'd rather start with something with a more evident skunk smell to it, i'm sure you know what i mean.

On the other hand about the daywrecker s1's. Hold your hopes high because I had a similiar thing and came out with two phenos, and both held the daywrecker smell almost 100% in tact. one pheno was a lil less musty.

Great to hear! I don't know anyone else who has grown the DW S1s so hearing u say that is very reassuring.. I have 11-12 to work with, started only 3 with 100% germ jus to see what's in there.. If it's as good as you say it is I'll likely fire up the remaining 9 beans asap..

The only reason I suggested afghani #1 for a papa is that its got that acrid stinky animal smell that I think can be twisted to what you want. (found that same smell in an extreme sativa pheno of the pure) I never had the afghan dream or the petrolia, but while deep chunk is great weed it doesn't have much of that animal skunk smell to it.

Ok, I wasn't sure if the Afghan #1 held that stinky acrid smell we wanted, and due to the other questions of it's 'pureness' and IBL status I jus kinda steared clear.. But I'll take your word for it and get a few packs of Afghan #1 and go from there, once i've looked thru the other affies i'm growing now..

It's funny you say that DC didn't have any skunkyness to it.. I found the skunky smell is definately in there, and my keeper fem definately has some earthy-musky-skunkyness to it...

But this is where personal descriptions come into play... what i verbally describe as a skunky smell may not be the same as what you think a skunky smell it, hence are difference in opinion on Deep Chunk's value as a breeding tool to find a skunk. It may not be thee one to use, but i believe it's worth a try, and the reason I crossed DC to Cheese (UK) and ECSD.. But until i grow those out it'll be hard to say either way..

Thats what I was asking about the smell. I've had several incredibly pungent musty skunky bags before. But I was asking if it was the one particular strain (that hairless skunk, never had it but heard legends since I started smoking)

If your just looking for the skunk rank you can find it. but I didn't want to reccomend just any skunky parents if it was one strain you were looking for. Like if someone was looking for that old strain that was grey, and smelled like lemons, mint, and gasoline and didn't know what they were looking for was Train wreck. you wouldn't want to reccomend just any pungent lemon weed if they were looking for the one particular strain. like TW.

and you won't BS your way out of a trainwreck bag. if it ain't TW the person will know it the second he smells its that he grew the wrong strain and has to keep looking. TW has a very distinct smell and its one strain to find. thats what I was asking about the RKS. I didn't want to reccomend the wrong stuff.

I hear ya 100%, I too think with a little effort, time, and critical thinking even the average closet breeder could come up with something skunkier than any of the adam skunks..

The testing of the lines will take the most work, but it can be done with a lil help from your friends.. :smile:

 

[beancounter]

If you really want it back i suggest this.

Find a pre 89 skunk seed line. Use multiple males. Cross to the Cheese cut, make F2s select down to taste, make the backcross and line breed a few gens. Well thats what i would do if i wanted it that much

Well, I have some 1989 SSSC Skunk #1 F2, growing 1/2 the pack right now, jus topped the 1st male to show last night.. Is 1989 too late? Do I need to look for 1988 and prior? So far none of the F2s have any skunkyness to them, and they have the 'fuzzy' stem look of Pure/sk#1 i'm used to..

I plan to flower out all the males asap and see if any has the terpenoids we're after, but IME some of the smell should be evident in veg.. I haven't lost faith yet, but i'm not too convinced there 1989 F2s will have what i'm looking for..

As we've spoke about in PMs, I do have the real UK Cheese cut, so at least that's 1/2 the battle..

As I have always said it's the male RKS that's truly the most valuable, without question.. Once a truly skunky male or group of males is located the battle is almost won.

The terpenoids of the Cheese are very close when grown outdoors over a full season, not exactly but a great place to start. It needs a good cure to fix the taste. But the Cheese is not Sweet Skunk. It contains the chemical fueld terpenoids of RKS. But, not if it is grown indoors and in hydro, then its different again.

Hmm, I sampled 2 different organic outdoor grown samples of Cheese, and compared to my samples grown in peat-based soiless with chem nutes the skunkyness was very comparible. There was a bit more earthyness which is common for outdoor, but the taste was still 100% cheese, and what I have come to know as Cheese from growing it myself..

But I'll need to grow it outdoors myself to really see the differences.. These samples were from small extra clones i passed to some local friends, and they only got a short veg.

After 1989 the Seedbank in Amsterdam made a new Skunk line, proberly did not want to buy in anymore from the Skunkman and cut him out of 'the deal'. Which apeared to be the way Nevile went about stuff at that time. They 'remade skunk' and 'improved it'..according to a thread on CW where Shanti confirmed this. They did this as they wanted a bigger, fatter shorter fowering skunk...alledgedly as thats what the customer wanted. They crossed Skunk '1 with a Afghani. No backcross.

So if you want the RKS back the chemical and fuel type terpenoids still exist in the Cheese clone, and the pre 90 Skunk x Afghani line version of Skunk '1. As SamS has said most of the 'Skunk' out there is not his. But for anyone who was around at the time in Holland they would remember those first Skunk shipments just as fondly as you do your RKS, they are different versions of the same thing, pre 1990 Sunk as it should be, wasnt sweet then..

Well supposedly shanti kept some of this 'real skunk' and that's what he's used to base the new 'old skool skunk' line on.. If anyone was to have some of those original skunky beans I would think shanti would be the one..

I will do alot of work with the Cheese, so i'm glad you've found her fairly easy to work with, as it gives me some hope..

Just another comment relating to BB Cheese line, its a bit of a shame that he just crossed that early origional Skunk to repeat the same mistake as the past. But it just goes to show you how good that early Skunk line was, and why it never needed 'improving'. Remember the Cheese clone, consider elite by most was NOT a selected female cut at all, it just happened to be the only female one that survived.

I thought Cheese was selected, so thanks for clearing that up... That makes it even a more remarkable find/clone, as i can only imagine there coulda been some better examples if they coulda been selected from..

Like u said, that goes to show us jus how good the original line was, i would kill for some of those beaners..

 

[zamalito]

I love your attitude bc. Your just trying to learn all you can and experimenting with such a great diversity of plants and crosses. It would be great if we could call you the skunkman of a new generation. Where you eventually get the whole skunk pallet mapped out and produce a whole diversity of rks lines ranging from pure sativa to pure indica. Maybe something like djshorts blueberry line except all of your line tastes like skunk instead of one line tasting like blueberries. If/when I finally track down some hairless skunk seeds I'll be sure to let you know and send some your way. Also you'd make me really happy if you shared some of those paki's as I've been drooling over them since I first saw a picture. That picture represents my ideal indica.

 

[DarkGreen]

RKS

RKS

I want to check in and sign up for the RKS thread. I have said that I believe that RKS is anything that T2U has said. I am going to make some phone calls, and find the guy who once grew that cut. Was once a biker, and I am sure to bet that he traveled all over the country. This strain was hairless, monotone, stronger than all hell, and tasted good. If I happen to get a cut or seed, I do not have a growroom or lights. So I'd be willing to give it away to someone who could grow/do it up right. I got a few pm's before, so I am willing to make a sacrifice. So I will only hope for the best. If I could get a cut, I would be willing to trade for some IBL's indicas and sativas.

If not, I would agree with what Zamalito and Beancounter said via breeding. I have hope for Sour Diesel more so than Skunk#1, as ECSD has been taken down a line with more pungent odor. Or using Braz and Indian strains for RKS.

What strains tend to have less hairs and more green? I see people love the hairy bud look, but I think that it looks more like a weed than a flower that has no hair. These hairs seemed to be the downfall of weed IMO. So what strains tend to grow less/no hairs?

I am surprised no one has mentioned AK-47 as I mentioned in the "What is Skunk?" thread on page 24. The description mentions that smell is a concern when growing AK. We all know it has potency. Does anyone think that AK-47 has any potential for skunk smell or flavor?

I am also certain that one should look to SE Asian strains, as DJ short has mentioned that Thai females are the ones to look for with extreme smells and flavors. I would liken to think that it would be just about any SE Asian Sativa like Vietnamese Dalat, Highland Thai, Choc Thai, Burmese, or Cambodian. Who sells IBL Thai seeds? Or seeds from Vietnam? Reeferman sells Burmese, and he once sold Cambodian. And he has Willie Nelson. I truly think that DJ's Blue line F2's or F3's could be manipulated to have a skunk smell instead of a berry smell. Or at least these Thai/Afghan hybrids could be used in a cross to get skunk smell.

I think that Mex strains like Highland Oaxacan would be a place to look at too. And those would bring out some amazing colors, extremely nice high, and great smell.

How does White Rhino smell, as it has strains from Afghan x Brazil x Indian?

I agree that RKS must def be grown outside under the hot sun. Whether it is north of the Mason Dix line and be more indica or south of Mas-Dix line and be more sativa, it can be whatever.

Someone mentioned Shiva Shanti from Sensi Seeds as maybe having fit the description. From the sounds of it, it doesn't sounds too far off. Esp when you look at Shiva Shanti#2 being less stinky. I think that Garlic smells are similar to skunk. Has anyone grown Shiva Shanti?


What about Soma's hybird strains from Korea? TomHill mentioned that strains from Korea have a skunk smell. Nobody ever mentions these. Soma uses Big Skunk Korean in his hybrids.

How about Yumbolt? Sag's description mentions the smelly stench coming from one's pocket when a bag is in there. Mentions a pungent woodsy skunk smell, as it's from Afghan x Himalaya

I think that Northern Lights and Skunk#1 were the start of the downfall in classic weed potency and smell. I think that these two strains watered down all the nice IBL sativas and F1 sativa/indica hybrids. If yield is your main concern then Skunk x NL is the way to go nowdays. But this thread is about connoiseur. I think that RKS would have yielded plenty 15-30yrs ago, but through natural selection, it went downhill too. It's soon going to be 2007, and when you guys talk about weed in the 1970's and 1980's, that's a long path skunk was taken down a road in the wrong direction.

I would tend to think what wars went on, and what type of weed was brought in by our country/troops at a given time. Most wars were fueled in some ways by drugs, and I am sure to bet that that certain strain can be found in a country of origin. Sure the drugs might have been about opium, cocaine, etc...but the grass may have come along for the ride. Many wars have been fueled by weed. Look at Bin Laden. His guns were bought by African weed. So we need to look at time. Late 70's to early 1980 and it would have been Afghan. Also in the mid to late 70's would have been the SE Asian strains. By 1983-85 it would have been Lebanese maybe. Mid 80's to early 90's it may have been Latin America. Early 90's you would have the Gulf and strains from Middle East again. Next would be the Somalia conflict maybe bringing in strains from East Africa. And so on, and so on. So you can see that RKS could have been about any type, it just depends on what time and area you were in.

So when these types of strains were brought over, over the years the smell, etc would have been bred out of them. I am sure if they were fresh out of the country from seed, it would retain that potent smell. Maybe it's a little out there, but I am sure that it's not too far off.

What other types of Afghani strains might be of worth? I saw that beancounter has Deep Chunk, Pet Headstash, and Afghan Dream going. Does anyone have experience with Sensi's Afghani#1? What other types of Afghani IBL strains or Afghani hybrids might be skunky/potent? What about TH Seeds "The Hog", as I heard that it's smelly even though it's afghan x kush? TH's Mendocino Madness seems like a good one as well to cross with a sativa. Also what about Black Domina? BD is hashplant x afghan x ortega x NL, and can it give off a skunk odor if a sativa were to cross with it? What lineage is UBC Chemo?

What needs to be done is create a list of what people think RKS might have come from. It could be Skunk#1, The Pure, Cheese, The Mezz, Thai landrace, Indian Kerala, Brazilian Manga Rosa, Lebanese Hashplant, etc......maybe if we could list them...it might help.....Could we create a list?

I def drank too much coffee.....

DarkGreen

 

[Guest]

You know that AK 47 is made up Mexican x columbian x thai x afghani and in the what is skunk thread that skunk is Mexican Gold x Columbian Gold x Afghani.
So that cant be it, AK is strong bit a sweet herb. If you have grown it...times that smell by 10 and that is this legendary skunk RKS!

I think it is in afghani and brazilian cross to single out that smell and then mabey work with an available hybred skunk. Yumbolt or B52 look good, I have some B52 going, so Ill see about that!

There are 2 different Afghani landraces, highland and lowland. That is probably true for Brazilian landraces... I would imagine, but Im not sure. So the question is which of these varieties is hairless? Is not colder climate, higher alltitude herb less hairy? I dont know!

I do not think it has anything to do with, where that herb from the period that we are all refering to, was grown. I do remember people growning indoors.
And I lived in Arizona for some of that time!

Does anyone remember Nuclear 19? I think it had a similar smell. Used to come in test tubes, remember? all most florescent! Hairless buds with little tiny leaves caressing it! That shit was awesome!

 

[Guest]

I plan to flower out all the males asap and see if any has the terpenoids we're after, but IME some of the smell should be evident in veg.. I haven't lost faith yet, but i'm not too convinced there 1989 F2s will have what i'm looking for..

IME, yes, i agree the terpenoids are pretty easily identifiable in large enough plant numbers. But not in small lots. You need to do the numbers on the males. Forget about the females as you say and use the Cheese cut. Even if you can find exactly the right smell you are looking for i would suggest using a range of multiple males that best fit the chemical and fuel type smells [we do not have skunks in Eu] then selecting back in the next generations more closely. I think you will end up following the more Sativa expressions and backcrossing is not the wayto get it, you wont cube this clone.

If you can get Skunk genetics earlier than 1989, let me know too, please. I would do the numbers, for the love, but it is not worth it at this time with the pre 89s i have had access to as they have not been pure Skunks.

As we've spoke about in PMs, I do have the real UK Cheese cut, so at least that's 1/2 the battle..

Yes for sure, im convinced it is.

Bests, Flowers

 

[Guest]

There are 2 different Afghani landraces, highland and lowland

There are a lot more than that.

There is wide and diverse terpenoid profiles in the Afghani lines.

Bests, HHF

 

[motaco]

well my personal problem with this thread and why I didn't understand it is never in my life have I ever had two different bags that smelled the same. I've never had a plant that wasn't TW smell like TW, or a plant that wasn't a diesel smell like diesel, or a apple that wasn't apple.


so when I see a buncha people talking about this RKS dead roadkill skunk pungent funk. you think hey, maybe it was one strain.

considering its not one strain you guys couldn't have miraculously found several strains that all smell exactly the same. which means all your looking for is exactly that. skunky weed like in the 80's. and not any particular skunk- doesn't even have to be a skunk. just a pungent skunk smell. which there are a ton of so I don't see what the hub--bub is about and why you couldn't find it in 15 years.

if it was a lost strain I could understand. but just that stinky skunk weed? I just didn't expect such a desire for this weed.

 

[Guest]

I thought Cheese was selected, so thanks for clearing that up... That makes it even a more remarkable find/clone,

It is a important point. Worth reflecting on. As it shows the quality of the old skunk lines. Cheese was definately not a best of anything selection, it is just a good representation of pre 90s Skunk. Everybody I know who was around and smoking Skunk in the 80s says the same thing. The whole point being, she isnt that special, the whole seed line was!

Bests, Flowers

 

[headimonster]

i miss the skunk if anyone has any idea where the skunk has gone PLEASE Contact me haha - like a missing report or something

 

[Guest]

Matco, dude my brother from NOLA! What is so hard to understand?
There was this weed long ago that had a smell like no other! Since then apparently that sent was bred out...where did that smell come from?
The fact that people arent articulating it well enough for you... I dont know what to tell you! But weather its one strain or ten< if you have smoked it you would know what we are talking about.

As far as Afghani landrace indicas... mabey you want to check that one out, HHF! I guarantee I dont know everything but come on dude! I know about this!
Whether Afghani has many terpiniod profiles or not... my nose knows! Your talkin to a full timer, baby... this is all I got to do!