the potential in south america

[Mad Scientist]

Yeah redrider, you're right. Things aren't as black-and-white as I stated and I do appreciate the effects of a smooth indica or a whammer white strain from time to time. I'm probably just spoiled with all these strains and hash varieties available over here... Taking things for granted when I should be thankfull to be able to smoke in all freedom, regardless of the strains.

I've been smoking some killer ice-o from a friend of mine lately. Now if you want to get wasted in no-time this is what you should get. Completely different from the sativas discussed in here, but still it has some charme of it's own too. Very good if you can't get to sleep. It's just that the influence of commerce has gotten so present that I'm not sure what I smoke anymore. Imported hashies are infected with waste oil, local strains are treated with Vertimec or other unsubtle pesticides and even artificially made heavier. I haven't been able to grow for some time, making me dependent on what the shops offer me. If I buy 'haze' 9 out of 10 times I get something remotely haze-like with a lot of indica mixed in, everything you buy here is infested with white or indica strains. Not a bad thing in itself, but pretty frustrating for pure sativa lovers like me. It's all gone a little too much over the top for my liking, which is why I'm so relieved to see the original genetics that were used in creating today's strains in this thread. Finally something else than another white hybrid!

@maxdrumm: Gorgeous bud you have there. How long does that hybrid take to finish and for how long does it's high last?

 

[zamalito]

Beautiful bud max! I'm also a fan of the all landrace hybrids. Was that from the same beautiful paraguaian that you'd shown earlier.

Though I love my sativas I smoke deep chunk or blockhead at least once a week. I can imagine holland can be frustrating in a way. You have a great social climate but a terrible herb growing climate. The prices are so competitive that its hard to justify growing pure sativas indoors for anything other then you and your friends. I doubt many coffeeshops would be interested in paying twice as much to justify the lower yields and longer flowering times for something that's less frosty and airy. Fortunately the santa marta golds and burmese sativas have good bag appeal in their pure form. There's been some well grown indoor burmese that's been turning up here occasionally over the last year. Hopefully with the success of love potion and the thseeds burmese hybrid these two landrace will be frequently available in pure form in coffeeshops over the next couple years. Some of the imported charas if fresh can have a damn nice maybe not energetic but non-sedative buzz. How hard is it to find fresh top notch kashmiri or nepalese charas in amsterdam?

 

[jaykush]

You are in the right path mad scientist....we´ve been growing brickweed seeds for decades....those seeds will be a real adventure

some of the best plants ive had came in brick from mexico. it was fun going through hundreds and hundreds of seeds to find the good ones, and knowing theres hundreds more ha ha.

 

[zamalito]

Hey madscientist, do you ever come across a magazine in the coffeeshops called softsecrets. I just finished doing an interview with them that's supposed to appear in an upcoming issue.

 

[Raco]

Hey madscientist, do you ever come across a magazine in the coffeeshops called softsecrets. I just finished doing an interview with them that's supposed to appear in an upcoming issue.

Hey Zamalito,
I have some of those Soft Secrets issues,in spanish.You can find them free in several growshops.
Now,I can wait to read the interview!!

 

[Mad Scientist]

How hard is it to find fresh top notch kashmiri or nepalese charas in amsterdam?

Not too hard. Most of the quality shops like Dampkring regularly have it on their menus, but it ain't cheap. Well, it is compared to $40.- bubblehash, but it will probably go for $10-15 a gram. Had some horrible Nepal Temple a while ago though. No cheap sh*t either, but it instantly gave me nausea. There was probably something mixed in to make it heavier or make it look more greasy. Wouldn't be surprised if there really was waste oil inside, but I'm pretty sure shops like Dampkring wouldn't get away with that so you should be safe there when buying hash.

Hey madscientist, do you ever come across a magazine in the coffeeshops called softsecrets. I just finished doing an interview with them that's supposed to appear in an upcoming issue.

Yeah sure. I pick it up every once in a while. It's from the same publisher as Highlife Magazine, a glossy Dutch magazine. Very nice you're having an interview published, I'll check it out for sure! You can also download back-issues from their website in various languages. In which editon will you be featured? And what language? Did you speak to a Dutch guy called Jan Sennema?

 

[Moppel]

what about Chile? no landraces there?

 

[redrider]

Bogota

Bogota

I was in town the other day and took a few snaps for you guys, not really grow pics so I hope its ok.






Peace from Colombia

 

[Moppel]

nice pics.

 

[zamalito]

Nope, redrider that is unacceptable (just kidding). Those pictures are beautiful. I'm suprised at how much they could pass for pictures of a typical mountain town in the us or canada.

I'm not yet sure which issue yet. I just finished the interview about a week ago. They'll send me a copy so I will let you know as soon as I do. I'm not at liberty to give out too much info on the guy I did the interview with but it was done in english with a writer for the magazine who goes under the pseudonym Lazy Strain. The interview was finishing right when I'd decided to start partnering with luiz so I didn't get to fully take advantage of the free publicity but I believe there's a brief mention in there. I'm not complaining at all though. They were very nice and even gave me a bunch of seeds from greenhouse seeds. I would've gladly done the interview for free.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I'll keep an eye out for it. Hope it will be in the Dutch print also, otherwise I'll get the pdf from their site.

 

[zamalito]

Moppel I'm sure there's chilean landrace and eventually I will try to search it out but I've never seen it. Luiz has a peruvian skunk. I know Argentina has hemp and possibly drug landrace.

 

[Guest]

Hello All,

Keep popping back to this thread as it is wonderfull to see such beutifull plants and flowers from Latin America. However when we talk of the 'Potential' in South America, are we going to get round to discussing anything about actually extracting that potential? Or are we just discussing the collection of strains from the region. You can have all mine, its a heavy burden for me, too much so.

Stain collection is great and preservation wonderfull. But now we all have these special Blacks, Golds, Purples, Hazes, Oaxacans, Guerros, all these wonderfull Landraces. What are we going to do with them to further Cannabis? for those that have them it is a heavy burden, what should we do with them? How do we further Cannabis, as just selling seeds from Landraces is ultimately Bio piracy.

Our forefathers when they got access to these Landraces from these regions for the first time created within a few years, Origional Haze, Skunk, CaliO, Trainwreck, etc..etc. We are still looking in awe upong the best of these Cultivars today, some 40years down the road we havent really made much real progress at all I feel. Cant have done if Skunk '1 just won the Cannabis Cup again. We have all the componants to do something really special, we have a big community surely we can do more than just collect these strains.

At the moment we cannot even responsibly say there really preserved by breeding in sufficent numbers and we are just losing amazing genetics all the time. Maybe we should be looking at ways of distributed preservation breeding for these special ones before we can say the are safe and preserved. Maybe that would allow us to make better selections as well for Hybrid creations and this would extract that potential contained in equatorial varieties for the world to enjoy. Opening doors to new 'milestones' like Skunk or Haze where and still are.

Sorry of its a bit of a rant but theres potential, massive potential in every equatorial area and countries less than 10 degrees from the equator, trouble is we never actually extract that potential and we dont even preserve the possibllity of extracting that potential for the future generations to come.

All the best, Flowers

 

[redrider]

South America

South America

Hello All,

Keep popping back to this thread as it is wonderfull to see such beutifull plants and flowers from Latin America. However when we talk of the 'Potential' in South America, are we going to get round to discussing anything about actually extracting that potential? Or are we discussing the collection of strains from the region.

Stain collection is great and preservation wonderfull. But now we all have these special Blacks, Golds, Purples, Hazes, Oaxacans, Guerros, all these wonderfull Landraces. What are we going to do with them to further Cannabis? for those that have them it is a heavy burden, what should we do with them? How do we further Cannabis, as just selling seeds from Landraces is ultimately Bio piracy.

Our forefathers when they got access to these Landraces from these regions for the first time created within a few years, Origional Haze, Skunk, CaliO, Trainwreck, etc..etc. We are still looking in awe upong the best of these Cultivars today, some 40years down the road we havent really made much real progress at all I feel. Cant have dione if Skunk '1 just won the Cannabis Cup again. We have all the componants to do something really special, we have a big community surely we can do more than just collect these strains. At the moment we cannot even responsibly say there preserved by breeding in sufficent numbers to really preserve. Maybe we should be looking at ways of distributed preservation breeding for these special ones before we can say the are safe and preserved. Maybe that would allow us to make better selections as well for Hybrid creations and this would extract that potential, opening doors to new 'milestones' like Skunk or Haze.

Sorry of its a bit of a rant but theres potential, massive potential in every equatorial area and countries less than 10 degrees from the equator, trouble is we never extract that potential.

All the best, Flowers

I think your going to see the full South American potential as soon as next year and I don't mean in seed sale profits. I am talking about access to strains lost in history and new ones never before seen out of there native habitat. Not only original "landraces" but reworked commercial strains, giving them new vigor and potency. Its all here just needs to be done but you are right we should talk about SA potential because it is what this threads all about. You made a good point sir.
Peace

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

red, gracias por esas fotos de la bella hermana bogota i could remember the smell and all

hothouseflowers, hello man, good post.
think that the potential is being extracted all the time, the thing is exactly that the problem is how the potential is used.
imho the collecting of landraces should not be felt as a burden, but rather, a thing to enjoy; and i think with the current efforts being taken by many will definetly make those landraces available to a larger ammount of seekers; who in turn will grow them and enjoy them as well, and who knows, maybe one of them will come up with something different from skunk.no.1 for freaking sake!

so the potential of south america in this thread would be to make those seeds more easy to find for those seeking them, and in turn it increases the chances for such potential to be extracted in new and better forms. perhaps in more natural and less westernized forms i hope. down with babylon

peace!

 

[zamalito]

HHF, you're definitely right. I'm trying to search out contacts in the medical community that are open to landrace experimentation. Its terribly sad that there's no well known variety with high cbd. One of the highest priority hybrid projects I'd like to work on is a strain with roughly 10% thc and 10% cbd and then go from there. It will also give us the ability to do large scale smoke reports without having to get a smoke report one grower at a time which is tedious. Like you said having equatorial growers start to stabilize pure or nearly pure sativa polyhybrids could also produce some amazing results. I believe this is where the magic of haze and hawaiian varieties comes from. Right now though I'm just trying to assess the enormous genetic potential that is available to me. I simply just don't have the money to move to brazil and start breeding seeds to give them away. However living in brazil will give me the opportunity to live cheaply and distribute the seeds cheaply. I promise you I'm not in it to become rich or pirate natural resources. My goal is to unleash this potential but at this moment I'm just gathering tools to use for unleashing this potential.

 

[Guest]

Hello Zamiloto, Paz, Red,

Apologies, I should have been clearer, I was not really directing these comments at you. Just as much, I was directing them at myself. I am terribly frustrated at not being able to do my work under prohibition, and the thought of either abondining long term preservation goals or moving to somewhere even further away from home in order to do the job weighs heavilly at the present time.

My post was really directed at all in the community, not you guys! and I would not dream of accusing of Bio Piracy, thats not where I was going. I hope you know I think our doing a great job and its great to see. However the collection i have does not give me pleasure. Seeing those rare strains in such small seed quantities and such small grow outs does not inspire one to feel the future of Cannabis is safe.

It is great to see you guys grouping together down in the South Americas to work to preserve what you can. This is fantastic and I wonder if you could work your projects in some way as to actually include sufficent numbers of plants to really preserve strains. If this could be done in multiple locations and smaller plant numbers in a country with more relaxed attitudes and lower costs then that would be a significant step forward for Cannabis. If not a leap! and it was this conversation I was trying to encourage. I failed in this regard persoanlly I openly admit, and it would be great to be able to see others actually do this correctly. A major milestone for Drug Cannabis infact..

Wishing you all the best guys, not accusing you. Just venting thoughts.

Flowers,

 

[Guest]

Re..Medical Commuity

Re..Medical Commuity

Its terribly sad that there's no well known variety with high cbd. One of the highest priority hybrid projects I'd like to work on is a strain with roughly 10% thc and 10% cbd and then go from there

I found it beyond belief that in a recent medical Cannabis Interview with DW and RCC, RCC was quoted as saying they had never actually been approached regading the use of the pure CBD cultivar Hortipharm developed and the only approach ever made was from GW pharmacuticles. Sam has openly shared the secrets and his personal breeding method with the community on how he developed these pure THCV, CBD and THC lines. He shared the exact route and method of sex reversal he used and I have seen not one project at all in the medical communities to follow this map, not even a attempt.

I would not expect much in the way of a positive response Z, I have also suggested it would be in their great benefit to test Landrace Cultivars of Afghanistan we have, for possible high CBD P1 materials. Nothing ever happens.

Ok, sorry for the moans and groans.

All the best, Flowers

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

hello again hothouseflowers, personally, never felt you were acussing anyone, rather, pointing out good points for this mission.
i too must confess a feeling uneasy about the future of cannabis, not only in terms of preservation, but also in terms of how we relate to the plant; but that is another subject.
this project has a lot of potential really, and i think we can all contribute in one way or another, not necessarily by just doing the heaving jobs of breeding and keeping the plants; for example, finding the proper customers for the seeds, or sponsoring to a certain extent the project from countries with better economies.

but discussing any further just is troublesome waters
a bunch of free thinking dope heads getting organized
something to fear for sure!
peace!

 

[Guest]

but discussing any further just is troublesome waters
a bunch of free thinking dope heads getting organized
something to fear for sure!
peace!

Hahahahahahaaaa for sure Amigo, for sure

i too must confess a feeling uneasy about the future of cannabis, not only in terms of preservation, but also in terms of how we relate to the plant; but that is another subject.

I would like to discuss these and explore with you sometime Paz Verde, nice to meet you.

All the best, Flowers