The Organic Think Tank

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Hell bro... if it were all legal I'd have acres of huge outdoor organic pot trees.

but it is not, so I hide inside and grow with science.
I could try to move every aspect of nature indoors in it's entirety, but
it makes more sense to only take the parts which are necessary or demonstrably
benificial to the goal.

 

[Happy Haole]

Hell bro... if it were all legal I'd have acres of huge outdoor organic pot trees.

but it is not, so I hide inside and grow with science.
I could try to move every aspect of nature indoors in it's entirety, but
it makes more sense to only take the parts which are necessary or demonstrably
benificial to the goal.

How true...

 

[cannaboy]

This is positive,,,,,,, like you can grow in holland in a glasshouse and that's good posotive they just suck at good buisness and keeping the good shit in fassion.. I don't mean at all lights are a bad thing god no we must use the gifts the industrialization have produced to the best possible use or not..lamps should not make you a specialist grower or whatever but using them only for a few hours is all that is needed if you care to check!!

I seen a wicked consevetory grow with monsters grown by a lady who used the sun and a 60w bulb (Back in the day) she had pounds and pounds from using the whole season with louvers and a extraction fan best grow I ever will see,, pure natural,, in her garden amended soil with natural based plant food teas. and water no ph nno temp worries nothing.. No pests to worry about when your Karma gets better IMHO

Ganja is a Bad man plant but too many wannabee badmans trying to be badman and giving a bad name to the true ganja heros,, stop being a part time badman and do some good man,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFjdjOB3DVA

know yourself cos Im a dan myself I never tried to be a badder man than my self,,


skinny man the MUD family true freedom fighter from ends!!!

 

[baet]

i had termites in a bed of my compost. i saturated bed with EWC juice/tea, the predatory nematodes within my worm juice killed every single termite...


a huge significance from organics(done right) is outstanding plant health. my girls are extremely resilient to stress, and almost untouchable to bugs and disease.

 

[toohighmf]

Are these guy's for real You will need to double your grow if thats how your carying on.

Crack uk.. not any more,thats a black and a USA thing it comes from there afterall no??,,, Not for me anyway but I see you still miss the point on it being legal perhaps you started on crack as a baby before you were concived!!!

You mate got murked!!! I need state no more true economic facts or about moralities!!

Disabled people should get given dope for free,, regardless of a propper law,, changed or not charged for it the way the law stands and with that law would 16 lights be any good??? That small league, and you have many big players in the usa all are BENT and are out to get your £$£$ o!!

The big men on IC have small post counts and post small usefull info for freedom fighters and clever ones never post pics of a opperation,, mainly because they come in and out and get what they need and get on with life..

And if you cant see good the mexican cartells can growing under the sun..

What if Lazyman grew 16 lights of organics? would that make all the nay sayers happy??? WTF does the size of the grow matter?
geez!

"If he did it would'nt take a genius to work out its not gonna be organic and his patients are being mislead!!! my POINT..""

diggity, not to disrespect, but We can all beat mother nature in the growing game. I am god- of a 18x20x8' room! As you are the god of your domain. We play gos when we grow indoors. It's why we took things indoors and build hydroponic systems that beat soil pots 90% of the time in the yield dept. thinking outside the box is exactly what hydro growers like Lazyman and myself do on the regular. perhaps the organic farmer can learn a thing or 2 about thinking outside the box from us hydro snobs!
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Really!! We can't beat nature silly,, How did the company come about the chemicals you use??

Where does the free dope come from if it's illegal? You were the one who stated anyone growing illegally for other than personal meds shouldn't grow. I believe crack is a poverty thing. I don't think color has anything to do with it. That's kinda racist. no??
Have you ever seen Mexican cartel weed? ever hear of paraquat? do you like smoking coca cola? because thats what they use to brick mexi. where do you think the name dirt weed came from? I used to think mexican brown was heroin, til I saw a lb of bricked seeds & leaf. Outdoor is RARELY as good as indoor. that's why it fetches a lower price. duh! outdoor growing is for the ultimate profit.. do you even have a leg to stand on in this conversation. yes chem salt ferts are derived from the earth. does that make them organic??? I think not.

 

[baet]

^^^wow, i see the conversation has forked somewhere in the past few pages i haven't read yet...

 

[toohighmf]

yeah well, people like to change the subject when they have nothing to contribute...

 

[RNDZL]

diggity, not to disrespect, but We can all beat mother nature in the growing game. I am god- of a 18x20x8' room! As you are the god of your domain. We play gos when we grow indoors. It's why we took things indoors and build hydroponic systems that beat soil pots 90% of the time in the yield dept. thinking outside the box is exactly what hydro growers like Lazyman and myself do on the regular. perhaps the organic farmer can learn a thing or 2 about thinking outside the box from us hydro snobs!

Toohighmf

No disrespect but IT AN ORGANIC HYDRO THREAD

How is it that you can find a way to divide the 2

i mean do you realize when you say organic guys have something to learn from a hydro guys you are doing so in an organic hydro forum,which means the organic guys here GROW HYDROPONICLY

I mean obviously like 90% of the posters here your feeding your own ego and im no less human than you but you realize in your quest yo look dandy you make no fucking sense whats over

 

[cannaboy]

dope is free to grow?? Y/N
Legal no... do you see where the free dope comes from or your a gready person.
GW pharmasuticals in the UK tollerates it like many other,, places but not legal how you look at it,,
I am not racist its just how its potrayed in the media and in our local CRACKERS and generally if there doing the same thing for years generally its true I see many a white CRACKER too just not selling, The thing is the cartel growers need to do a better job and lazy would be outta work!! that wouldn't be hard trust.. But there heart is in the rite place.. and It mainly all started from mexico too.. Your learning off them..

We keep getin sore on the topic of no legs to stand on!!! I hope that comment isn't aimed at your mates disabled clients??? You can do what you do I was just saying what was needed to be said in line with the topic of this Loaded commented thread!!!

In the uk its £££ Pounds sterling and you don't get owt for shwag!!! A crew here burned tonnes of Dope as a laugh to piss of the commercial guys into growing better and With the "If you try it again weel come find you aproach" fuck your money its replaceable and redone..

 

[Lazyman]

You need to think outside the box here lazy man. While you are eating your chips made from round-up ready corn, please ask yourself not if man is more powerful than mother nature and that if we know best, but ask yourself does it make it morally and ethically right to do so just because we can?



ok lets look at the facts here. The root issue of starvation is NOT lack of food; it is the lack of being able to distribute food evenly among everyone that is the issue. the issue is people rely on others for food, that is not sustainable...we could achieve all organic production in this country.. sounds like you dont want to be a part of that though, thats cool.



Wow what are you god? you know what the future beholds? Thankfully it is not a gladly forgotten past and the people supporting the small organic food movement are part of the SOLUTION not the problem (as you appear to be)



please, THINK next time you post

I do think before I post, and as I've posted many times in this very thread, organic production methods have been proven to be inferior to modern farming methods and genetics. You may have bought into some hippy mantra that organic is better for you, or that it's better for the world, but the facts contradict this.

Ask any organic farmer about pesticides, do you think they don't use any? They use LOTS of them, bugs like organic produce as much as any other food. And it's not all neem and pyrethrins.

You ask me if it's morally or ethically right to not use organic farming methods. Yes I believe it is, as science is clearly capable of doing many things mother nature cannot. Would you prefer we all go back to the days before electricity?

You ask me if I'm God, well as another poster said, in my growroom yes I am. If you have a growroom indoors, so are you. Do you water your indoor crops only when it rains? Do you not supplement CO2 and recreate higher temps and humidity so we can emulate a more tropical garden? Or do you gladly welcome mold, mildew and mites into your grow?

Hey there are starving female mosquitoes the world over, go feed some!

See how absurd the argument can get?

Technology and science are what makes life sustainable on this planet currently. A few thousand years ago it was a much smaller population, but unless you're planning on releasing some deadly new airborne virus that will wipe out 2/3 of the population, we need higher yielding farming techniques to feed the planet. It is what it is.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'd love to do a large scale aquaponic setup in a greenhouse.

 

[Madrus Rose]

I suppose a 50-50% of worm castings & coco/peat would make a nice organic mix that would sustain a plant from seedling to maturity along with some hi-phos bat guana @ the end .

Ever lifted a 55gal drum of worm castings though ? lol

If one is going to be "Organic" , try starting ur own worm bed folks ,
good way to start imo, & thats a fact .

The Nitrogen Cycle
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/N/NitrogenCycle.html

Vierras Worm Farm ( pretty nice fellow , been friends for 12yrs)
http://vierraswormfarm.com/

 

[RNDZL]

the best part about growers is that they think its all about them and their great works and not the easiest most vigorous organisms on the face of this planet that makes them a success

not for nothing most PHd's who at least have a reason to toot their own fucking horns don't have as inflated egos about their own genius and success as the average pot grower

but give a pot head a seed and watch him grow an ounce of smoke and watch out

HERES WEED FUCKING JESUS COMING TO SAVE THE WORLD


ITS ONE OF OUR NATIONS TOP GNP AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS

YOUR DRUNK GRAND MAMA COULD GROW THE FUNK IN HER SLEEP SO GIVE IT A REST

willingness to break the law is the ONLY "value add" for a gross percentage of this market and once its not illegal that goes out the window

LOL

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

RNDZL... have you seen this? http://www.pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire/

 

[toohighmf]

Toohighmf

No disrespect but IT AN ORGANIC HYDRO THREAD

How is it that you can find a way to divide the 2

i mean do you realize when you say organic guys have something to learn from a hydro guys you are doing so in an organic hydro forum,which means the organic guys here GROW HYDROPONICLY

I mean obviously like 90% of the posters here your feeding your own ego and im no less human than you but you realize in your quest yo look dandy you make no fucking sense whats over

you know, your right about this. I keep forgetting because all I keep reading about is soil.. my bad. Organic hydro.. Organic hydro.. Organic hydro.. Hopefully, I will now remember that this thread is in the organic hydro subforum. 90% of the posters feed my ego and I make no sense? I apologize for not staying on topic. It's pretty tough when the subject has changed to ACT vs hydro. If I had anything to do about it, I apologize. maybe the only advocates I have are the ones who can think outside the bun. was the original question about organics vs hydro? or was it organic hydro vs hydro? I don't even remember anymore.. I'm just defending salt based hydro based on what the initial debate was about. The mudslinging began when soil entered the conversation.. If I had anything to do with that, it was out of my mis understanding altogether. may I plead ignorance?

 

[RNDZL]

you know, your right about this. I keep forgetting because all I keep reading about is soil.. my bad. Organic hydro.. Organic hydro.. Organic hydro.. Hopefully, I will now remember that this thread is in the organic hydro subforum. 90% of the posters feed my ego and I make no sense? I apologize for not staying on topic. It's pretty tough when the subject has changed to ACT vs hydro. If I had anything to do about it, I apologize. maybe the only advocates I have are the ones who can think outside the bun. was the original question about organics vs hydro? or was it organic hydro vs hydro? I don't even remember anymore.. I'm just defending salt based hydro based on what the initial debate was about. The mudslinging began when soil entered the conversation.. If I had anything to do with that, it was out of my mis understanding altogether. may I plead ignorance?

cant argue a retort liek that

 

[BORNaSMOKER]

my 2 cents...

grew hydro for years hated organic....

converted to soil just recently after whitnessing first hand the taste improvment of my buds. realised that I didn't want to grow one to sell and smoke the other so I sacrificed a bit of extra time and yield to source good quality soil. Now I can match hydro results in soil with better taste and more frost, just not as huge colas but still big enough.

Just recently found a soil mix that involves only watering plants with water and occasioanly molasses (not even ACT) with results that are hard to ignore (i am yet to see a hydro set up on here out do this guy g/w wise).

Check out https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=166899 & https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2415192&posted=1#post2415192

anyone getting more g's per watt please lets see the pics!!

 

[diggity]

I do think before I post, and as I've posted many times in this very thread, organic production methods have been proven to be inferior to modern farming methods and genetics. You may have bought into some hippy mantra that organic is better for you, or that it's better for the world, but the facts contradict this.

excuse me, I didn't read through this entire thread. Organic is not less productive, nor inferior to modern farming methods.. do you even know what you are saying? modern farming methods are incorporated into organic production operations.. please give some examples to prove such outlandish claims that organic is inferior to the alternative.

Ask any organic farmer about pesticides, do you think they don't use any? They use LOTS of them, bugs like organic produce as much as any other food. And it's not all neem and pyrethrins.

Wow this is on the verge of propaganda.. they use lots huh? believe me I know first-hand that MANY organic farms do not use ANY pesticides. You are trying to make a point and failing miserably..

You ask me if it's morally or ethically right to not use organic farming methods.

No, I wasn't asking you that at all. If you could read and comprehend, you would see I was referring to GMO's..

Technology and science are what makes life sustainable on this planet currently.

Wow you are so wrong. You think the natural world wasn't thriving before the industrial revolution? Everything was more sustainable 100 years ago..

Very little of what we do today is 'sustainable'

The word sustainable is so far from how most of live, using it simply IS NOT relative.

Ok I'm done arguing with people who don't have a clue

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

RNDZL... have you seen this? http://www.pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire/

I'm watching it. It is amazing what they do not know about cannabis that we already do. However, the Author of the book which the Documentary is based on said he believes that the best gardeners of this generation are indoor marijuana cultivators.

 

[toohighmf]

I actually love this statement. with your permission, I would like to use it in my signature!

"the best part about growers is that they think its all about them and their great works and not the easiest most vigorous organisms on the face of this planet that makes them a success

not for nothing most PHd's who at least have a reason to toot their own fucking horns don't have as inflated egos about their own genius and success as the average pot grower

but give a pot head a seed and watch him grow an ounce of smoke and watch out

HERES WEED FUCKING JESUS COMING TO SAVE THE WORLD


ITS ONE OF OUR NATIONS TOP GNP AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS

YOUR DRUNK GRAND MAMA COULD GROW THE FUNK IN HER SLEEP SO GIVE IT A REST

willingness to break the law is the ONLY "value add" for a gross percentage of this market and once its not illegal that goes out the window

LOL"- RNDZL

Seriously.