The Oregon Weed Thread -Grows, News and Laws and Whatever

[OregonBorn]

As for smaller medical grows, none of the new laws or OLCC requirements apply to one or two OMMP card holders at any given address growing only for themselves, and none of the zoning restrictions for OMMP/OHA growing apply to one or two OMMP card holders at any one address. Also none of the OLCC opt-out county laws apply to medical grows. If you grow 12 plants or less, you will most likely not be inspected by the OHA. If you grow more than 12 plants, or grow for others or sell into the OLCC system? Then the OHA will likely inspect your grow site and the complexity grows and the costs escalate rather dramatically. Compared to the old system? You have to be a saint to grow for anyone else now. Under the law, you can only be paid to recover your costs for growing medical. No profits or markups are allowed. You can also keep some of the weed that you grow for others though.

The above posts are my interpretation of all of this, and may or many not be correct. I am not a legal expert in any way shape or form. I say this not to cover my ass, I say this so that you do due diligence to cover your own ass. There are also many exceptions to what I have posted to this thread. The legalese is a Groucho Marx comedy at best.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Right, all I'm saying is that 16 big plants occupy about 5000' square by the end of summer. If all the plants are being tracked seed to sale then by what logic do they have to limit the number of plants? I could grow 200 plants on 5000' square and produce a better variety of medicine. Probably end up harvesting less weight that way too, and spending more money for the extra tags, but I'd much rather have the genetic diversity. I thought the Oregon government was all in favor of diversity.

 

[OregonBorn]

I am with you on that. The plant limits are stupid, as are the weight limits. Blame ex-gov Kitzhaber for campaigning that 1/2 pound of weed was WAY TOO MUCH weed! He also pressed for fewer home grown plants. I can buy 50 cases of Jack Daniels and park it here in my garage no problem. But a gram too much weed, or one plant too many (even a male) and its a crime.

Though the way that the medical MJ law is written in SB 306, if they find you with too many plants growing, an officer "may confiscate" any and all of the number more than you are allowed to grow. No citation in that case that I can see. W/o a card and its a fat fine, and anything over 12 plants and its a felony. I know a guy out in Banks that was busted for too many medical plants, and all the sheriff did was ask him which six he wanted to keep, and they yanked and took the rest. At least they dropped the clone/veg plant limit for medical.

 

[OregonBorn]

And if you want to breed? There is a 10 seed limit in the laws someplace, and males are not exempt from the plant counts. They are locking up genetics after this year too. At the end of 2017, if you are a start-up rec grower, you have to find plants and seeds from within the OR inventory system. This is the last year that they will allow start-up growers to source plants and seeds from 'any' source within Oregon. Meaning virtually anywhere in the world, because they are not tracking it. Starting in 2018 they will (in theory) limit the genetics available in Oregon to what is here at the end of this year. Talk about sTuPid.

Also the 10 seed limit, I buy seeded weed from time to time, and there are usually far more than 10 seeds in a seeded eighth. Me, whistling while leaving the store

 

[OregonBorn]

Another guy here posted about the medical plus rec grow limits. Question being, if I have a grow card, why can't I grow 6 medical plus 4 rec plants here? 10 would be about right, though I would like to grow a dozen with males for breeding/seeding and having a variety of weed available to smoke. I also prefer growing smaller plants as they are far easier to manage. I only need 2 foot males for the pollen. Quarter pound per female harvested and cured is a good size for me to manage here. Maybe I should sue the state and say that I need more smaller plants because of my degenerated back? They would likely say that I have to find a grower, but I would counter they are forcing them into extinction.

 

[HorseMouth]

I'm so fucking confused at this point.

Am I not legal? I have 4 medical cards, all paid for and current. Can I have 24 flowering plants? plus the personal 4?

On the apps, it has a specific question, "Are there more than 12 plants at the grow site?"

Plus, years ago when asked to be "Grandfathered" In and grow 24 plants the answer was yes.

Is it just a flat 12 flowering plants only now? And what constitutes a vegging plant? Is it any plant with no buds? or are we still at less than 12 inches for vegging plant?

Thank you.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

How long before the gardener notices?

 

[Phenome]

I'm so fucking confused at this point.

Am I not legal? I have 4 medical cards, all paid for and current. Can I have 24 flowering plants? plus the personal 4?

On the apps, it has a specific question, "Are there more than 12 plants at the grow site?"

Plus, years ago when asked to be "Grandfathered" In and grow 24 plants the answer was yes.

Is it just a flat 12 flowering plants only now? And what constitutes a vegging plant? Is it any plant with no buds? or are we still at less than 12 inches for vegging plant?

Thank you.

I think the main difference now is that if you grow over 12 plants, or if you're growing for someone other than yourself, if you're growing at a site different than the listed patient address, if you're selling immature plants or meds to oha processors or dispensaries, you are now required to go to ommpsystem.oregon.gov and create an account. then you're required to send them details of everything you're busy with, your plant count, seed stock, useable meds on site, ect. now they are required to send authorities once a year to your grow to do a check up to see everything you're submitting to the state is truthful.
i think they changed the law to have an unlimited amount of plants in veg. but now that I'm trying to find it in a law document its hard to find, so i'd do some more research on that if you would like to be positive.

 

[Robrites]

I think the main difference now is that if you grow over 12 plants, or if you're growing for someone other than yourself, if you're growing at a site different than the listed patient address, if you're selling immature plants or meds to oha processors or dispensaries, you are now required to go to ommpsystem.oregon.gov and create an account. then you're required to send them details of everything you're busy with, your plant count, seed stock, useable meds on site, ect. now they are required to send authorities once a year to your grow to do a check up to see everything you're submitting to the state is truthful.
i think they changed the law to have an unlimited amount of plants in veg. but now that I'm trying to find it in a law document its hard to find, so i'd do some more research on that if you would like to be positive.

Between Rec weed and medical, they have made so many changes nobody knows what the fuck is going on....THAT's going to be my defense....

 

[HorseMouth]

I log in to that website every 9th of the month to fill out the previous months inventory/etc.

Been doing this for almost a year now.

I wonder if a helicopter count/fly-by is considered a visit.

Any size resctrictions on vegging plants that anyone knows about?

Peace

 

[Phenome]

Yeah it's getting insane now, you have to be a qualified paralegal to stay up to date.
These were the rules on the med mj act
“Seedling or Start” – means a plant that has no flowers, is less than 12 inches wide and is less than 12 inches tall. All three criteria must be met to be a seedling or start.
“Mature Plant” – means any plant that does not fall within the definition of a seedling or start. A mature plant can be in either the vegetative, or the flowering stage of growth.

Now after hb3400

[(9) “Immature marijuana plant” means a marijuana plant with no observable flowers or buds.] (11) “Immature marijuana plant” means a marijuana plant that is not flowering.

But there is an amendment on page 43 that says this
[(3) The Oregon Health Authority shall define by rule when a marijuana plant is mature and when it is immature. The rule shall provide that a plant that has no flowers and that is less than 12 inches in height and less than 12 inches in diameter is a seedling or a start and is not a mature plant.]
So I'm not exactly sure, id just play it safe and assume the 12" rule

 

[HL45]

I was in salem at the last public hearing and they are doing away with the unlimited veg.

Afaik the new sb will allow 1 card per a resident and 4 rec plants. Anything over that would have to be tracked in metrc. There was a provision to have 2 cards at a resident if you were married.

When the olcc got up to speak i litterally had to bite my tongue to not laugh out loud. The looked so crooked and shady. One guy looked like he was in the mob. The other guy looked like a used car salesman divorce attorney. Immediately I felt bad for judging these two on their appearance as that is not usually my style. A few moments later and every word that came out of their mouth completely justified my initial thought. (These guys a greasy and they only care about money)

As soon as the olcc was involved years ago I knew this was the path things were headed.

 

[OregonBorn]

i think they changed the law to have an unlimited amount of plants in veg. but now that I'm trying to find it in a law document its hard to find, so i'd do some more research on that if you would like to be positive.

SB 306 says specifically: "Immature marijuana plant" means a marijuana plant that is not flowering.

Then it says (yes, this is the legalese): "Mature marijuana plant" means a marijuana plant that is not an immature marijuana plant.

Then in the OMMP section, it says: registry identification cardholder may (snip) possess up to six mature marijuana plants. (per card)

SB 306 does not mention how many immature marijuana plants that you can have, meaning the number is unlimited. There used to be a limit to the number in previous bills, but they are obsoleted by this and one previous bill I believe.

 

[OregonBorn]

Between Rec weed and medical, they have made so many changes nobody knows what the fuck is going on....THAT's going to be my defense....

I will give you a high five for that!

Unfortunately though, in most cases in court, ignorance of the law is not a reasonable defense. Also I do not know of many cases where people have been busted for more than the allowed number of plants. There was one notable exception in Beaverton where some guy had 50 plants in plain sight of the sidewalk.

 

[HorseMouth]

I really need to recommend that each and everyone one of you learns how to pull a tarp and use the light dep technique.

It has served me well and I hope to squeeze out a few more years.

Peace

 

[OregonBorn]

I use a hand cart instead. I grow in tubs and move the girls from the GH into a dark shed for 5 nights, and that usually flips the flowering switch.

 

[Robrites]

Are you negotiating an appropriate discount for larger transactions? The chart below illustrates the volume discount curve for wholesale deals in Colorado during the third quarter last year. The gold line shows the percentage drop in price with each incremental pound bought or sold. For the period, 50, 100 and 200 pound deals were discounted 18%, 21% and 24%, respectively, from the
1-pound deal size price of $2,015.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

I use a hand cart instead. I grow in tubs and move the girls from the GH into a dark shed for 5 nights, and that usually flips the flowering switch.

That sounds like a cool trick, around what time of year do you do that?

 

[OregonBorn]

That sounds like a cool trick, around what time of year do you do that?

Any time I want to start them flowering! Typically here in the PNW around August for the later sativas. Usually the indicas are already setting blooms by then. Rains typically start here in mid October. I force 'em early and finish 'em early.

 

[Robrites]

Medical marijuana growers would be able to sell up to 20 pounds of their crop into Oregon’s recreational market under a bill that has advanced in the Legislature.
House Bill 2198 is another stab by lawmakers at reshaping Oregon’s older but troubled medical marijuana program so it can coexist with the booming new recreational market — and doesn’t run afoul of federal authorities.


http://www.bizjournals.com/portland...imed-at-oregons-ailing-medical-marijuana.html