The Oregon Weed Thread -Grows, News and Laws and Whatever

[Fresh Start]

Also having gone through a lot of hurdles and hoops for getting a grow license here on my property (I bailed out as they kept piling up more requirements and increased the fees), there are not any fewer hurdles that I am aware of in getting a micro-tier license than a tier I or tier II license. The same requirements apply for all grow licensing, outlined in OLCC Division 25 rules. The only difference I see is the one exception that the two micro-grow licenses are less. In descending order of cost: it is currently $5,750 a year for a Tier II grow license, $3,750 a year Tier I grow license, $2,000 a year for a tier II micro grow license, and $1,000 a year for a micro grow tier I license.

I don't think micro tier grows have to go through a land use review by the city which is huge. I've heard through the grapevine that there is an initiative in development called the "eugene initiative" where the licensing will become easier for rec producers in legal counties. Anyone else hear of this?

 

[Robrites]

Idaho customers breathe life into tiny Oregon marijuana town

Idaho customers breathe life into tiny Oregon marijuana town

Huntington has become a hot destination, even if most visitors only stay long enough to buy Oregon marijuana products from the dispensaries in town.
Not much more than a year ago, the city was fading, its population slowly diminishing, as has been the case in countless small towns across the American West. Businesses like the truck stop east of town closed, and the flow of visitors thinned after the freeway bypassed the city.
Then the “green gold” arrived, and Huntington underwent a mini-boom. On a busy day, the number of visitors arriving might outnumber the city’s 435 citizens. Many of them come from Idaho, ready to spend their money on a drug that’s illegal in their home state.
“A lot of times they have to hang around quite awhile,” City Councilman Chuck Guerri said. “When (the dispensaries) are really busy, it’s two, two-and-a-half hours before (customers) get their product. So they mingle and they go to the store. They sit and have a hamburger or something. And all that helps. Every little bit of it helps when you’re a small town.”
City Hall might reap enough tax money from Oregon marijuana and related sales to double the city’s $200,000 budget.
These benefits appear to have eased the concerns of some residents who opposed legalizing the drug, which the federal government ranks alongside heroin, bath salts, LSD and other bad-reputation substances.
“There are a few people that are still very much against it,” said Shellie Nash, Huntington’s deputy city recorder. “And we expect that that’s always going to be that way. But we have had people that were against it at first that have since seen the impact it is having on the town and have seen that it’s not bringing in riffraff and stuff like they originally expected.”
IDAHO CUSTOMERS
Drive 30 miles southeast of Huntington on Interstate 84 and you’ll cross the Snake River into Idaho, where marijuana is illegal and the Republican governor, Butch Otter, is sick of neighboring states flouting the federal government’s ban of the drug.
Otter recently challenged new President Donald Trump to reverse his predecessor’s failure to enforce federal marijuana laws.
With 660,000 people, the Treasure Valley, which starts somewhere around the border, is home to the biggest population center in the region. It’s no coincidence that a big chunk of Huntington marijuana dispensaries’ customers hail from the Treasure Valley. Shortly after 9 a.m. on Feb. 24, 12 of 14 cars parked at 420Ville, one of Huntington’s two dispensaries, had Idaho license plates.
Customers ranged from early 20s to perhaps 70.
They spend up to $14.40 for a gram of marijuana. A printout estimates the content of THC in each strain and predicts its effects, ranging from “giggly and euphoric” and “cerebral elevation” to “heavy, sedating, medicating.” One customer said a single gram lasts him several days.
Buds for smoking aren’t the only products for sale. There are oils for vaping and THC-laced snacks. Some products don’t even contain THC but instead have CBD, a marijuana extract oil that doesn’t cause THC’s psychoactive high.
Most of the customers are there for medical reasons, 420Ville co-owner Diane Matthews said. Many of them buy the dispensaries’ products legally but then carry them illegally into Idaho. To Idaho customers, the benefits — a reliable supply, a higher quality, more consistent product, avoiding shady dealers — outweigh the inconvenience and risk of a trip to Oregon and back.
To Otter, though, marijuana imports are more than a minor irritation.
Elisha Figueroa, who heads up Idaho’s Office of Drug Policy, said legalizing marijuana in Oregon is like illegally polluting rivers or the air in a way that damages neighboring states.
Unlike pollution, marijuana mostly affects the people who are breaking the law. But the public is on the hook for law enforcement, incarceration and public health costs. Figueroa pointed to studies that found a variety of marijuana-related safety and public health problems have surfaced in states where the drug is legal.
“All of these things cost taxpayers an enormous amount of money because of the bad decisions of our neighboring states,” she said.
No dollar estimates were available as to how much marijuana-related law enforcement, incarceration and public health problems are costing Idaho.
Figueroa said she’s confident the president will crack down on marijuana sales in states that have legalized it.
“The Trump administration has already said that they are not going to continue to turn a blind eye to at least recreational marijuana,” she said. “Now, how they go about that remains to be seen.”

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[Big Sur]

I don't think micro tier grows have to go through a land use review by the city which is huge. I've heard through the grapevine that there is an initiative in development called the "eugene initiative" where the licensing will become easier for rec producers in legal counties. Anyone else hear of this?

Land use review requirements are specifically spelled out by the OLCC in:

Division 25 - Recreational Marijuana

http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Pages/Recreational-Marijuana-Laws-and-Rules.aspx

There are no reduced requirements for micro grows spelled out here, except for the one item of land use reviews for Tier I and both micro grow tiers and that is only applicable if they are outside of city limits, and then only if there are several other conditions that also apply.

I have not heard of any 'Eugene initiative', and inside city and county limits, munis can still pass other laws and requirements at their pleasure. For example, in Clackamas Co, if you are intending to grow on property accessed by an easement, all the other people with use rights to that easement have to agree to your growing before the OLCC will issue a grow license. Also zoning is a state level requirement, and if you live in an area that is zoned residential, the OLCC will not issue a grow license, period. The state originally required that all grows be zoned ag or farm/forest, but they seem to have eased up on that.

 

[Big Sur]

Screw it, I'm dumping cards getting one of my own and growing for me and the Wife. So much for "Don't worry Medical won't be touched".

I hear ya there. The OHA requirements and fees for growing for someone else are getting ridiculous, never mind the growing requirements to sell to a medical dispensary.

Medical weed in Oregon is all but going by by. Typical bait and switch politics. Like when they passed the federal income tax in the 16th amendment, they said that they would be capped at 3%. And of course income taxes were really only passed so that they could ban booze, because taxes on booze was where the feds made all their money before 1913.

 

[Sluicebox]

Big Sur you seem to be one who keeps up on things. The State is trying to take back all the Federal Land meaning BLM and Forest Service Administered Lands. I have no idea how they'll pay for it or if it will get any traction. I have Federal Mining Claims on Forest Service Lands. Would that mean I lose those Claims? That would constitute a "Taking"?

There is also a Bill SB3 working through the system now that prevents me touching my Claims pretty much, also resulting in a "Taking".

I'm not a Miner like you see on the Gold Rush show. No heavy equipment, all hand dug and ran through very small processors. The area is reclaimed (returned to original condition) as I go. My Claims are not in Essential Salmon Habitat, they are above a Dam with no Fish Ladder. The Fed Govt set aside Federal Lands to preserve rights to Timber and Mining. Not recreation and wildlife. Any waters flowing through these Lands are reserved for those purposes.

Sorry for the long post just wondering if you were paying attention to this issue? All Americans have a right to file for Mineral Rights on Fed Land that hasn't been removed from Location. That will give you the American sole rights to those minerals and takes priority over rights to the Surface. Read the tea leaves, Gold and Silver are headed for a moon shot.

 

[petert]

I hear ya there. The OHA requirements and fees for growing for someone else are getting ridiculous, never mind the growing requirements to sell to a medical dispensary.

Medical weed in Oregon is all but going by by. Typical bait and switch politics. Like when they passed the federal income tax in the 16th amendment, they said that they would be capped at 3%. And of course income taxes were really only passed so that they could ban booze, because taxes on booze was where the feds made all their money before 1913.

Question Big Sur... and I may reconsider going recreational if indeed the Fed start to follow through and enforce federal laws against recreational growers.

But I've been pretty much screwed over by my counties planning director and the board of commissioners. They stalled giving me a LUCS and building permit until they could put a moratorium in place..I believe I have a vested rights as well as a measure 49 (0r is it 50?) laws suit because they have banned both recreational and medicinal farming on Rural Residential lands. Historically Hood River County has allowed farming of any kind on RR land.. but they've singled out Cannibis.
This is different than most counties.. specifically Jackson County which currently has laws suits pending.. Jackson County has never allowed crop farming on RR land, but they have 3,000+ medicinal farmers farming on RR land!!
I'm considering going for a tier 1 or II license as I've been a medicinal grower with the state allowed limit for over 5 years and I am outside city limits, so to me it looks like I don't need the counties LUCS .. but if the state grants me a recreational license I will NOT be within my counties new land use regulations.. even though I am a grandfathered medicinal grower in my county!

 

[Big Sur]

Funny, but I do pay attention to this. My property here is surrounded by Mt Hood National Forest lands and some BLM lands. The state simply cannot afford to buy up the BLM or the federal forestry lands. Hell, the budget is a disaster as it is. About 50% of Oregon is under federal control or ownership of some type or other: National Park/Monument, BLM, Indian lands, National Forests, etc.

I have a rock mining claim (for jasper) but it is on BLM land way out in east Oregon that they want to turn into a national park (and thus void my claim, or rather, restrict mining on it). I also have part interest in another claim on state park land for thunder eggs in Central Oregon that I and others have to go out to a few times a year to chase claim jumpers off of. Its an endless battle with the state, the feds, claim jumpers, environmentalists, cattle ranchers, hunters, and the weather.

Land use is becoming more and more restricted every day in Oregon. I have all but given up on my claims. Too much money, time and energy wasted to maintain them, really.

Big Sur you seem to be one who keeps up on things. The State is trying to take back all the Federal Land meaning BLM and Forest Service Administered Lands. I have no idea how they'll pay for it or if it will get any traction. I have Federal Mining Claims on Forest Service Lands. Would that mean I lose those Claims? That would constitute a "Taking"?

There is also a Bill SB3 working through the system now that prevents me touching my Claims pretty much, also resulting in a "Taking".

I'm not a Miner like you see on the Gold Rush show. No heavy equipment, all hand dug and ran through very small processors. The area is reclaimed (returned to original condition) as I go. My Claims are not in Essential Salmon Habitat, they are above a Dam with no Fish Ladder. The Fed Govt set aside Federal Lands to preserve rights to Timber and Mining. Not recreation and wildlife. Any waters flowing through these Lands are reserved for those purposes.

Sorry for the long post just wondering if you were paying attention to this issue? All Americans have a right to file for Mineral Rights on Fed Land that hasn't been removed from Location. That will give you the American sole rights to those minerals and takes priority over rights to the Surface. Read the tea leaves, Gold and Silver are headed for a moon shot.

 

[Big Sur]

Yes, it varies greatly from county to county who can grow what. I was amazed in the last general election that my former home county, Douglas Co., not only banned rec weed, but medical weed as well! And that is west of the Cascades. And yes, I have heard that some counties and cities are using building permit denials to stop growers in many places from putting up 10 foot fencing and/or buildings. They cannot stop you from putting up greenhouses though. Also power and water are being used to 'regulate' growers. I was amused when Oregon decided to pick up on California's Proposition requirement to add approved water rights to the long list of requirements before getting a license approved. So now water boards can become decisive in who gets to grow weed and where.

Even though I have a permitted well, and thus I am supposed to be exempt from needing a water right, and by state law I can water a half acre of garden here, and I can pump 5,000 gallons a day for commercial use, they (the OLCC) are demanding a water right to get a grow license. To grow outside here I would need a mechanical building permit for a 10 foot perimeter wall/fence from the county. To grow indoors I would need a building permit with county plans, inspections, approval, and sign-off (and added taxes assessed on my property every year). I would also need a power assessment and approval for indoor growing, and likely need a separate power line and panel run from the highway.

I have complete designs and plans for both indoor and outdoor micro and tier I grows on my property. At first it seemed like a slam-dunk. Then they kept adding and adding and adding... 10 foot walls, county building permits, water rights, power use review, county easements rights approval, background checks, seasoned money requirements, business license, MJ handling license, bar code reader, inventory and tags, designated transport vehicles, secure storage areas, security locks and video surveillance systems, alarm system with security response, OSHA approved work areas, endless list of employment crap for the state (even though I would be a sole proprietor and self-employed), and all for a cash-only business. And Tier I/II grow licenses jumped from a grand to almost 4 and 6 grand per year. And then you have to have the labels and packaging approved, and you have to get everything tested to death. And everything has to be inspected before they issue a license. Then you get to grow some weed. That is if the weather, complaints, neighbor overspray, deer, mites, mildew, power outages, the Feds, or thieves get to it before it matures and it is harvested, cut and cured, and it passes testing! I say fork that!

When I lived in Douglas County I planted a half acre test plot of Pinot Noir grapes, and it required nothing but a deer fence and temporary spring supplied drip irrigation lines. I already had 2 buyers lined up at wineries in the county before I planted anything. No permits, no fees, no licenses, no inspections, no reviews, no inventory, no OSHA, no water rights, no security, no alarms, no video cameras, and I could get paid for my grapes by check and deposit the money in a bank.

Question Big Sur... and I may reconsider going recreational if indeed the Fed start to follow through and enforce federal laws against recreational growers.

But I've been pretty much screwed over by my counties planning director and the board of commissioners. They stalled giving me a LUCS and building permit until they could put a moratorium in place..I believe I have a vested rights as well as a measure 49 (0r is it 50?) laws suit because they have banned both recreational and medicinal farming on Rural Residential lands. Historically Hood River County has allowed farming of any kind on RR land.. but they've singled out Cannibis.
This is different than most counties.. specifically Jackson County which currently has laws suits pending.. Jackson County has never allowed crop farming on RR land, but they have 3,000+ medicinal farmers farming on RR land!!
I'm considering going for a tier 1 or II license as I've been a medicinal grower with the state allowed limit for over 5 years and I am outside city limits, so to me it looks like I don't need the counties LUCS .. but if the state grants me a recreational license I will NOT be within my counties new land use regulations.. even though I am a grandfathered medicinal grower in my county!

 

[petert]

Yes, it varies greatly from county to county who can grow what. I was amazed in the last general election that my former home county, Douglas Co., not only banned rec weed, but medical weed as well! And that is west of the Cascades. And yes, I have heard that some counties and cities are using building permit denials to stop growers in many places from putting up 10 foot fencing and/or buildings. They cannot stop you from putting up greenhouses though. Also power and water are being used to 'regulate' growers. I was amused when Oregon decided to pick up on California's Proposition requirement to add approved water rights to the long list of requirements before getting a license approved. So now water boards can become decisive in who gets to grow weed and where.

Even though I have a permitted well, and thus I am supposed to be exempt from needing a water right, and by state law I can water a half acre of garden here, and I can pump 5,000 gallons a day for commercial use, they (the OLCC) are demanding a water right to get a grow license. To grow outside here I would need a mechanical building permit for a 10 foot perimeter wall/fence from the county. To grow indoors I would need a building permit with county plans, inspections, approval, and sign-off (and added taxes assessed on my property every year). I would also need a power assessment and approval for indoor growing, and likely need a separate power line and panel run from the highway.

I have complete designs and plans for both indoor and outdoor micro and tier I grows on my property. At first it seemed like a slam-dunk. Then they kept adding and adding and adding... 10 foot walls, county building permits, water rights, power use review, county easements rights approval, background checks, seasoned money requirements, business license, MJ handling license, bar code reader, inventory and tags, designated transport vehicles, secure storage areas, security locks and video surveillance systems, alarm system with security response, OSHA approved work areas, endless list of employment crap for the state (even though I would be a sole proprietor and self-employed), and all for a cash-only business. And Tier I/II grow licenses jumped from a grand to almost 4 and 6 grand per year. And then you have to have the labels and packaging approved, and you have to get everything tested to death. And everything has to be inspected before they issue a license. Then you get to grow some weed. That is if the weather, complaints, neighbor overspray, deer, mites, mildew, power outages, the Feds, or thieves get to it before it matures and it is harvested, cut and cured, and it passes testing! I say fork that!

When I lived in Douglas County I planted a half acre test plot of Pinot Noir grapes, and it required nothing but a deer fence and temporary spring supplied drip irrigation lines. I already had 2 buyers lined up at wineries in the county before I planted anything. No permits, no fees, no licenses, no inspections, no reviews, no inventory, no OSHA, no water rights, no security, no alarms, no video cameras, and I could get paid for my grapes by check and deposit the money in a bank.

Oops. I meant to say " micro tier I"
But seeing whT you've just said....

 

[Aota1]

https://cannabisnow.com/dab-drought-oregons-legalization-killing-concentrates/

Pretty good article on the current state of things. Give it a shot

 

[Big Sur]

Oops. I meant to say " micro tier I"
But seeing whT you've just said.... ����

I see. With a canopy size of 5,000 sq ft. or less in your case, there is likely no requirement for a land use compatibility statement. That only applies only to micro grows and in cases like yours, where (as defined by OLCC Div 25): the grow address is outside of city limits, at least one person listed on the grow license application was growing under the OHA before January 1, 2015, and all listed persons on the grow license application were registered with the OHA as growers before Feb. 1, 2016. Otherwise everyone has to go through the entire extensive list of crap to complete in OLCC Div 25, including a LUCS from your county or city.

For clarity, Oregon OLCC grow licenses by canopy size are:

Micro Tier I is up to 2,500 sq ft outdoors or 625 sq ft outdoors.
Micro Tier II is 2,500 to 5,000 sq ft outdoors or 625 to 1,250 indoors.
Tier I is 5,000 to 20,000 sq ft outdoors and 1,250 to 5,000 sq ft indoors.
Tier II is 20,000 up to 40,000 sq ft outdoors or 5,000 up to 10,000 sq ft indoors.

Indoors includes inside under lights and/or in a lighted greenhouse. Outdoors means outside under the sun or in an unlighted greenhouse. Also you can mix and match outside and inside dimensions under one license, as long as the indoor area multiplied times four plus the outside area is less than the total outside area canopy limit. So for example, as I was going to do here, have a micro tier II license with 625 sq ft indoors and 2,500 sq ft in an outdoor 25x100 total greenhouse area. Cloning areas for rooting plants do not count toward that total, according to one OLCC gal that I talked to.

A LUCS here would be easy for me here, as I am zoned farm/forest and surrounded by a wholesale tree farm on one side and pastures on the other sides. This area is zoned specifically for growing timber, Christmas Tree farms, wholesale nurseries, horse, cow and goat farming, and the like. No schools within 8 miles, though there are some church camps out here. Clackamas Co. seems to be more or less open to growing. So far anyway.

 

[Sluicebox]

If you're below 1500 ft elevation at that location (tree farm, reprod 20yrs or younger) I bet you have Truffles. They're worth BANK. You should look up Truffle Auction, crazy money. $112k for one shroom! Yes they grow here, I used to be a buyer for a couple of brokers. I never saw that kind of scratch. A decade ago I was paying pickers $20 per lb whites and $40 per lb blacks. Prices are up quite a bit since then. Season starts in Early Spring. If you find a big one take it to auction yourself, or you'll get sodomized by the middleman.

Edit, season is Oct thru March for winters white/black and May thru July for Spring Whites. Sorry it's been a long time since I was in that market.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Just about 15 years ago some folks in the Willamette Valley started experimenting with seeding an orchard with truffle appropriate fungi. Apparently it has to be done to the trees as seedlings & they said it would be at least 12 years before they knew if it worked, I read about this a long time ago & haven't heard anything since. Hazelnut & Douglas Fir are the species with which the truffles are willing to have a relationship. Delicious fungi last time I ate them, certainly worth looking for.

 

[Big Sur]

I am at about 1200' give or take 100 ft. The maps of this area all show different elevations, and the stupid Garmin that I had showed variable elevation here +/- 200 feet. I have never seen a truffle here, or dug one up. I have 25+ different types of shrooms on my property here, and they vary in bloom from year to year. I have identified about half of them. I have Chanterelle intolerance though, and many shooms in that family give me the trots. So the only ones that I pick and eat here are the boletes. I used to pick a lot of shrooms when I lived in Southern Oregon, and in the coast range there we had over 50 types of mushrooms on our property. There were mushroom buyers in every small blip of a town down there. Problem was there I would have to get a BLM permit every f'ing day I sold them, even though I only picked on our own 200+ acre property. That was well after the insane mushroom boom days though. I never see any buyers up here, but I am sure that they are around somewhere.

Funny story (well, maybe not so funny): I was with my ex at Bagby Hot Springs one day. We got back to my PU truck and the sheriff was there waiting for us. He wanted to know why we had a truck load of empty 5 gallon buckets. I told him my brother has a restaurant in town and we got them from him for the ranch. We had over 100 head of sheep, 25 goats, a dozen llamas and 4 pigs that year. Anyway, he did not want to believe us and thought we were up there picking mushrooms. I asked him if he saw any mushrooms, and flipped through all the buckets for him to see that they were indeed, EMPTY! He let us go (there was nothing he could bust us for), but gave us a long speech about not picking shrooms in that area.

If you're below 1500 ft elevation at that location (tree farm, reprod 20yrs or younger) I bet you have Truffles. They're worth BANK. You should look up Truffle Auction, crazy money. $112k for one shroom! Yes they grow here, I used to be a buyer for a couple of brokers. I never saw that kind of scratch. A decade ago I was paying pickers $20 per lb whites and $40 per lb blacks. Prices are up quite a bit since then. Season starts in Early Spring. If you find a big one take it to auction yourself, or you'll get sodomized by the middleman.

Edit, season is Oct thru March for winters white/black and May thru July for Spring Whites. Sorry it's been a long time since I was in that market.

 

[Big Sur]

No hazelnuts on the east side out here, save for a few of the native types on my property that are really shrubs. The hazelnut orchards are mostly out on the west side of Portland in North Oregon.

Now Doug firs, there are lots and lots and lots of them here. Bloody monoculture DF forests span for hundreds of square miles around here. Here and at my ex's place, DF was not so great for shrooms. Here the boletes grow and bloom under my pine trees (shore and lodgepole pines, they are really two variants of the same species). The bark beetles are killing the pines though. I harvested chanterells for my ex mainly under grand firs in southern Oregon. They seem to like them.

Just about 15 years ago some folks in the Willamette Valley started experimenting with seeding an orchard with truffle appropriate fungi. Apparently it has to be done to the trees as seedlings & they said it would be at least 12 years before they knew if it worked, I read about this a long time ago & haven't heard anything since. Hazelnut & Douglas Fir are the species with which the truffles are willing to have a relationship. Delicious fungi last time I ate them, certainly worth looking for.

 

[Big Sur]

Which brings up another point about mycorrhiza and symbiotic fungus in soils that I grow weed in. I make my own soil blends here using silty loam top soil from my property, compost (cooked down sawdust, leaves, and grass clippings from my property), Pearlite and peat moss. There is a plethora of fungi in the soil and I presume that several bind with Cannabis roots. I always have fibers growing in the soil after a few weeks of mixing it and potting up the plants. From my horticultural training by US Davis grads in California, there should be more than enough fungi in there to colonize the soil, and I do not need to add any spores. UC Davs studies show that native fungi work just as well as imported types, and here in the PNW we have so many types of fungi it is insane. I have argued with many online that add special fungi spores (sold online for lots of money) that say that it will "work wonders," but I have no need for that. Any more than I need to add 'compost starter' to any good size pile of leaves, sawdust and wood chips to get it cooking. It does it all by itself, and always within a few days. Its magic.

I also cultivate a lot of earthworms here, and add them to my 15 gallon potted plant tubs. I feed them used coffee grounds and fine sieved leaf matter that I put on top pf the potted soil. Feed the worms and let them do the work underground.

 

[Sluicebox]

I scored a pile of Horse, Cow, Goat manure this week. Been sitting out behind a barn for 3 to 4 years. They just keep adding to it. I know it's loaded with worms as they are right down the road and my place is full of Reds. I just got to go get it now, 'bout 40 yds worth.

I always liked the Cauliflower shroom, beer battered and deep fried. Baked Matsutake (Pines) are top shelf. Never did like the Chanties, they sure smell good though yellow ones anyway. Great money in Shitake growing too, if you got a good source for blocks.

I'm going to start grinding used Shitake blocks up in my mix. Loaded with Mycelium. When I top dress with Pigeon Poo I get shrooms outdoors. 9 out of 10 pots. Had Shaggy Manes growing out of an indoor pot last Fall, couldn't believe it. Supposed to be impossible to cultivate.

At 1200' your likely to see more White Chanties than Yellows I bet. Wicked tip for you all, You will find insane patches of Hedge Hog shrooms at about 3500' in the Rhododendrons. I'm not sure if that's what the shrubs are called. I know you can go through several hundred feet of it and never be able to stand up. Or see 10 feet in front of you. Those always pay good and give heavy buckets in a very short time. Oct-December Shroom. I came face to face with a Black Bear in one of those patches. Clicked her teeth and grunted like a pig. I swear she barked like a dog. She burned through that brush like it wasn't even there. Did 3 tight circle around me at a full run then split. So did I.

 

[Dankwolf]

I lived on the oregon coast for years and if i never see another Chanterelle i would be ok with that. All though they make great gravy if you dehydrate them then grind them up . also work good if you fine grind and use as a spice .

 

[Sluicebox]

http://koin.com/ap/truckloads-of-tiny-fish-hauled-to-river-in-restoration-plan/

That's an article on the State trucking in fish to the Lostine River, NE Oregon. Guess how they got those fish in the trucks????? A Suction Dredge. The same machine that Enviros will tell you grinds up fish. Those work on a venturi where high pressure water is introduced into a large tube. This causes the large tube to suck in water. The fish don't go through the pump. It has a screened foot valve. I've yet to see a fish go through my dredge. If they did they'd find themselves traveling down a carpet lined fish ladder.

The real threat to those little fish are the other Introduced Species like the American Shad, and the Brook Trout.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Which brings up another point about mycorrhiza and symbiotic fungus in soils that I grow weed in. I make my own soil blends here using silty loam top soil from my property, compost (cooked down sawdust, leaves, and grass clippings from my property), Pearlite and peat moss. There is a plethora of fungi in the soil and I presume that several bind with Cannabis roots. I always have fibers growing in the soil after a few weeks of mixing it and potting up the plants. From my horticultural training by US Davis grads in California, there should be more than enough fungi in there to colonize the soil, and I do not need to add any spores. UC Davs studies show that native fungi work just as well as imported types, and here in the PNW we have so many types of fungi it is insane. I have argued with many online that add special fungi spores (sold online for lots of money) that say that it will "work wonders," but I have no need for that. Any more than I need to add 'compost starter' to any good size pile of leaves, sawdust and wood chips to get it cooking. It does it all by itself, and always within a few days. Its magic.

I also cultivate a lot of earthworms here, and add them to my 15 gallon potted plant tubs. I feed them used coffee grounds and fine sieved leaf matter that I put on top pf the potted soil. Feed the worms and let them do the work underground.

There are a couple of mycorrhizal fungi known to be friendly with cannabis, I have a compost tea mix that includes two of them. After my seeds pop in the paper towel & start growing tails, I dip them the dry tea mix before putting them in soil. Roots really seem to love it, or maybe I just use nice soil & the fungi make no difference at all, its hard to tell.
What I read about colonizing doug fir & hazelnuts with truffles said it was best done while the plant was young & before other mycorrhizal fungi (which might interfere with your target species) got on the roots. I have no information that the same is true of cannabis & it's favorite mycorrhizal partners, but trying to colonize them young couldn't hurt. Its possible that having your favorite mycorrhizal fungi in place makes life more difficult for any endomycorrhizal fungi which might harm you pot plant's roots.