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They are definitely going to make a killing selling those Metrc tags. The operating cost with rec will have to be factored into pricing. There's the camera systems, Metrc, certifying your scales, badges, training, log books, and more.
The only shops I've been to that had quality flowers were Archive and Rooted Northwest. My assessment so far is that the bulk of the consumers are interested in what tests the highest and what is the cheapest. Those of us on here are a very small percentage of what will end up being the overall market. Since I've been up here the best flowers I've had came from Archive and from a local friend. I don't have a medical so I can't even buy enough at Archive to make the price reasonable.
Can't wait till I finally have a proper crop of my own come down.
The only shops I've been to that had quality flowers were Archive and Rooted Northwest. My assessment so far is that the bulk of the consumers are interested in what tests the highest and what is the cheapest. Those of us on here are a very small percentage of what will end up being the overall market. Since I've been up here the best flowers I've had came from Archive and from a local friend. I don't have a medical so I can't even buy enough at Archive to make the price reasonable.
Can't wait till I finally have a proper crop of my own come down.
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Robrites
Are these tags for plants or bags of weed or ?
After the initially cloning stage, which is done in batches, you have to tag the plants with an individual Metrc tag.
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Robrites
Poll: Most Oregonians view legal pot favorably 2 years after vote
Poll: Most Oregonians view legal pot favorably 2 years after vote
Two years after voting for recreational marijuana, a majority of Oregon voters view the policy as a success, according to a new poll.
Sixty-one percent of voters think the legalization of recreational marijuana has had a positive impact on the state, while fewer than one-third see it negatively, according to polling by DHM Research, a nonpartisan opinion research firm with an office in Portland.
In 2014, 56 percent of Oregon voters said yes to legalizing marijuana for recreational use.
DHM Research paid for the poll. John Horvick, the firm's vice president and political director, said his firm decided to conduct the poll because the topic comes up frequently in the cities and counties where the company works, and it made sense to gain "more insight about what the mood was."
The poll found that while most voters see legalization as a positive, older voters are more skeptical than younger ones. Fifty-three percent of voters 65 and older, for instance, think the new law has been negative, while 24 percent of people younger than 65 see it that way.
Republicans, too, were less positive, with 52 percent viewing legal cannabis negatively.
Meanwhile, Democrats and non-affiliated voters or voters in another party overwhelmingly think legal cannabis has been positive.
"Big picture, I think Oregonians are relatively satisfied," Horvick said. "I don't think a lot of minds have changed, but the general acceptance of marijuana continues apace. There hasn't been a backlash."
The poll also found that most voters oppose bans on recreational marijuana sales (The poll did not address medical marijuana). Fifty communities from Lake Oswego to Pendleton will vote in November on a range of questions that, in essence, boil down to whether they should allow legal marijuana businesses within their borders.
Sixty percent of voters statewide oppose bans on recreational marijuana sales, the poll found.
Opposition to bans is strongest in the Portland area, while a smaller majority of voters outside of the metro area oppose them. In the Portland area, 67 percent oppose bans; outside of the region, 54 percent are opposed.
Oregon voters also favor local sales taxes on recreational marijuana, the poll found. Sixty-nine percent of voters approve of local taxes on cannabis.
Local governments may impose a sales tax of as much as 3 percent on recreational marijuana, but the tax must be approved by voters. The local tax is on top of the 17 percent tax the state will impose on recreational sales starting when the Oregon Liquor Control Commission begins regulating the market later this year.
According to the Oregon Department of Revenue, a local tax is on the November ballot in 106 communities, including Portland, where officials conservatively estimated it will generate $3 million to $5 million a year.
http://www.oregonlive.com/marijuana/index.ssf/2016/09/poll_most_oregonians_view_lega.html
Poll: Most Oregonians view legal pot favorably 2 years after vote
Two years after voting for recreational marijuana, a majority of Oregon voters view the policy as a success, according to a new poll.
Sixty-one percent of voters think the legalization of recreational marijuana has had a positive impact on the state, while fewer than one-third see it negatively, according to polling by DHM Research, a nonpartisan opinion research firm with an office in Portland.
In 2014, 56 percent of Oregon voters said yes to legalizing marijuana for recreational use.
DHM Research paid for the poll. John Horvick, the firm's vice president and political director, said his firm decided to conduct the poll because the topic comes up frequently in the cities and counties where the company works, and it made sense to gain "more insight about what the mood was."
The poll found that while most voters see legalization as a positive, older voters are more skeptical than younger ones. Fifty-three percent of voters 65 and older, for instance, think the new law has been negative, while 24 percent of people younger than 65 see it that way.
Republicans, too, were less positive, with 52 percent viewing legal cannabis negatively.
Meanwhile, Democrats and non-affiliated voters or voters in another party overwhelmingly think legal cannabis has been positive.
"Big picture, I think Oregonians are relatively satisfied," Horvick said. "I don't think a lot of minds have changed, but the general acceptance of marijuana continues apace. There hasn't been a backlash."
The poll also found that most voters oppose bans on recreational marijuana sales (The poll did not address medical marijuana). Fifty communities from Lake Oswego to Pendleton will vote in November on a range of questions that, in essence, boil down to whether they should allow legal marijuana businesses within their borders.
Sixty percent of voters statewide oppose bans on recreational marijuana sales, the poll found.
Opposition to bans is strongest in the Portland area, while a smaller majority of voters outside of the metro area oppose them. In the Portland area, 67 percent oppose bans; outside of the region, 54 percent are opposed.
Oregon voters also favor local sales taxes on recreational marijuana, the poll found. Sixty-nine percent of voters approve of local taxes on cannabis.
Local governments may impose a sales tax of as much as 3 percent on recreational marijuana, but the tax must be approved by voters. The local tax is on top of the 17 percent tax the state will impose on recreational sales starting when the Oregon Liquor Control Commission begins regulating the market later this year.
According to the Oregon Department of Revenue, a local tax is on the November ballot in 106 communities, including Portland, where officials conservatively estimated it will generate $3 million to $5 million a year.
http://www.oregonlive.com/marijuana/index.ssf/2016/09/poll_most_oregonians_view_lega.html
Bongstar420
Member
Sure, if it happens...but it would cause all the OMMP growers pullin now to dump all their inventory to get that last good sale before "medical" gets served by the better regulated OLCC licenses. The only reason to stay OMMP is to escape regulation. If I were certain that this provision would be implemented, I would start a crop now and sell it mid December since I wouldn't have to worry about them getting stuck with product they can't sell. If they do this, its probably only going to apply for the first part of 2017 and the Dec1 deadline for OMMP to Rec is still there.
Maybe you should be selling those tags if its going to be more profitable than growing...there are only 5 vendors in the game for that now.
I do not believe the "cheapest" is as sought after as you are thinking. I've done things for the "cheapest" and had higher margin stuff sell better.
Back in the day, I sold at very very low prices only to find that product moved better at a higher price.
Your numbers are only important if you do not have blow your face off aroma/flavor. If you ask me, no one should sell anything below 18%. Thats what home growers can do. The commercial scene should be nothing but 20-30% fire coming in at a premium.
My thought is that if you are not looking to run multi tonnage, you better be boutique quality.
What I want to hear about now is why its OK that most of the labs held out for ORELAP cert till now? We got 2-3 labs to cert the whole state come Oct1.
We might be waiting months after harvest just to cert. For those aiming to be the boutique class, that is super difficult. I am assuming smaller grows will not be as heavily financed and therefore will need to get relatively steady turn over rates.
Another thing, is it just me or is weighting your wet harvest asinine?
Um..did you read any of the actual medical research? Most of it is in the 10-20mg range. If your shooting for medical, you ought to be brushed up on all the actual medical research. Getting high is not what "medicine" is about. Hint hint
One of my shops is selling $20/g of BHO..As far as I know, its the same BHO anyone else has.
Dirty Arm probably has a low sales volume at $65/g
I saw stuff like that over the years...they always had low volume sales. When I found out how many units they were selling, I gave up on even trying for those prices. Its not worth it. I want to sell over a pound a month at 1 outlet or equivalent return (which is why edibles now seem lame to me as I'd rather sell 1000units a month for $3 than 100 for $7.5; also, I don't want to have to sell medical for less than rec plus tax unless its CBD or similar).
Its fabricated. From the horses mouf:
http://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/reports...ptember&textDay=16&CompYearList=select+a+year
Last years "drought" was 30% less than average. God knows why thats "alarming"
Guess its to feed the global warming fire. CO2 = bad
Call me when its 50% less than average for 10 years including La Nina years
Maybe you should be selling those tags if its going to be more profitable than growing...there are only 5 vendors in the game for that now.
I do not believe the "cheapest" is as sought after as you are thinking. I've done things for the "cheapest" and had higher margin stuff sell better.
Back in the day, I sold at very very low prices only to find that product moved better at a higher price.
Your numbers are only important if you do not have blow your face off aroma/flavor. If you ask me, no one should sell anything below 18%. Thats what home growers can do. The commercial scene should be nothing but 20-30% fire coming in at a premium.
My thought is that if you are not looking to run multi tonnage, you better be boutique quality.
What I want to hear about now is why its OK that most of the labs held out for ORELAP cert till now? We got 2-3 labs to cert the whole state come Oct1.
We might be waiting months after harvest just to cert. For those aiming to be the boutique class, that is super difficult. I am assuming smaller grows will not be as heavily financed and therefore will need to get relatively steady turn over rates.
Another thing, is it just me or is weighting your wet harvest asinine?
Um..did you read any of the actual medical research? Most of it is in the 10-20mg range. If your shooting for medical, you ought to be brushed up on all the actual medical research. Getting high is not what "medicine" is about. Hint hint
One of my shops is selling $20/g of BHO..As far as I know, its the same BHO anyone else has.
Dirty Arm probably has a low sales volume at $65/g
I saw stuff like that over the years...they always had low volume sales. When I found out how many units they were selling, I gave up on even trying for those prices. Its not worth it. I want to sell over a pound a month at 1 outlet or equivalent return (which is why edibles now seem lame to me as I'd rather sell 1000units a month for $3 than 100 for $7.5; also, I don't want to have to sell medical for less than rec plus tax unless its CBD or similar).
Its fabricated. From the horses mouf:
http://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/reports...ptember&textDay=16&CompYearList=select+a+year
Last years "drought" was 30% less than average. God knows why thats "alarming"
Guess its to feed the global warming fire. CO2 = bad
Call me when its 50% less than average for 10 years including La Nina years
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Bongstar420
Member
To the OMMP only dispensaries. There will be few since making money on legal "medical" is a pipe dream. I don't know any dispensaries that think staying is healthy for the bottom line....and we all know the bit about charity is a lie. All of us "medical" growers had profit (or access for our own non-"med" stash) at the front of our minds when we got into it over the years.
Just get the microcanopy license. It certs up to 600sqft of flowering canopy. The cost of business over the long run is the same as giving away your product to "patients" unless you are black marketing at above wholesale. The only benefit of OMMP is lower capital entry which is offset by growing someone elses "property" in exchange for permission to sell it at a limited number of low profit outlets. My opinion is that its just better to pay the $1250 license fee, run the RFID stuff, and pay the extra $7k for security measures. These "med" consumers are gaining $2000-6000 off the grower who must spend time and effort to get it to them. If you can actually find one that will pay for costs and you can actually sell the rest at a legal outlet, maybe its a better entry choice. For me, they all want 2oz a month + edibles/concentrates at my expense (so try and act like you suck at growing, maybe they will ask for less).
http://public.health.oregon.gov/Dis...ijuanaProgram/Pages/dispensary-directory.aspx
Next year the early rec part will disappear. This directory will be your source to find the OMMP only dispensaries the easiest. Otherwise, your next bet is looking through leafly and calling before you take the time to show up.
Just get the microcanopy license. It certs up to 600sqft of flowering canopy. The cost of business over the long run is the same as giving away your product to "patients" unless you are black marketing at above wholesale. The only benefit of OMMP is lower capital entry which is offset by growing someone elses "property" in exchange for permission to sell it at a limited number of low profit outlets. My opinion is that its just better to pay the $1250 license fee, run the RFID stuff, and pay the extra $7k for security measures. These "med" consumers are gaining $2000-6000 off the grower who must spend time and effort to get it to them. If you can actually find one that will pay for costs and you can actually sell the rest at a legal outlet, maybe its a better entry choice. For me, they all want 2oz a month + edibles/concentrates at my expense (so try and act like you suck at growing, maybe they will ask for less).
http://public.health.oregon.gov/Dis...ijuanaProgram/Pages/dispensary-directory.aspx
Next year the early rec part will disappear. This directory will be your source to find the OMMP only dispensaries the easiest. Otherwise, your next bet is looking through leafly and calling before you take the time to show up.
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Bongstar420
Member
I looked at Archive and Rooted. Um, their average THC is 20%....Archives 'Gorilla Glue #4' is 21%
Are you sure you aren't buddies with these two new dispensaries?
21% on the glue is shameful.
And $10/g for outdoor no matter how good is shameful. I sell above average ins for that price.
Are you sure you aren't buddies with these two new dispensaries?
21% on the glue is shameful.
And $10/g for outdoor no matter how good is shameful. I sell above average ins for that price.
Bongstar420
Member
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Robrites
OLCC Expands Options for Medical Dispensaries Transitioning to Retail
OLCC Expands Options for Medical Dispensaries Transitioning to Retail
Allows for Sale of Existing Inventory of Marijuana Products
Portland, Oregon – Today the Oregon Liquor Control Commission provided additional opportunities for medical dispensaries to become OLCC recreational marijuana retail licensees by allowing them to transfer their existing inventory and sell through that inventory until March 1, 2017.
The OLCC will allow existing Oregon Medical Marijuana Program (OMMP) dispensaries to transfer their inventory acquired before October 1, 2016, if they become an OLCC licensee.
“This change will speed an orderly transition of the market as we move to safer testing, seed-to-sale product tracking, and revenue stability,” said Rob Patridge, Chair of the OLCC.
Under the new rule OLCC retailers will have until March 1, 2017 to sell their transferred OMMP inventory, while at the same time obtaining product tested and packaged according to the state’s new regulations.
Product transferred from the OMMP will be required to be recorded in the state’s Cannabis Tracking System (CTS). The products must carry a label that complies with OHA rules that reads “Does Not Meet New Testing Requirements”; products must also be packaged in a child resistant product package or child resistant “exit” bag.
“We hope this provides assurance and incentive to dispensaries to move over now,” said Patridge. “We want to meet the intent of the legislature to develop this industry, while at the same time ensuring public safety. This approach allows us to do that.”
Also under today’s OLCC action OMMP processors may transfer their existing product if they become an OLCC licensee. The processor’s products will have to be tested, packaged, and labeled under the OLCC’s new requirements.
The OLCC’s licensing staff is working with dispensary owners and processors to help them with the licensing transition, and is already conducting on-site dispensary and processor inspections. Licensing staff is being proactive to assist licensees through its process.
“Our licensing staff is being thorough in investigating licensees and creative in finding solutions,” said Steven Marks, OLCC Executive Director. “We recognize that OMMP retailers are poised to make the transition into the retail market and we took steps today to make it easier for them to do so.”
The OLCC staff will be providing retail licensees with the steps necessary to transfer their product.
OLCC Expands Options for Medical Dispensaries Transitioning to Retail
Allows for Sale of Existing Inventory of Marijuana Products
Portland, Oregon – Today the Oregon Liquor Control Commission provided additional opportunities for medical dispensaries to become OLCC recreational marijuana retail licensees by allowing them to transfer their existing inventory and sell through that inventory until March 1, 2017.
The OLCC will allow existing Oregon Medical Marijuana Program (OMMP) dispensaries to transfer their inventory acquired before October 1, 2016, if they become an OLCC licensee.
“This change will speed an orderly transition of the market as we move to safer testing, seed-to-sale product tracking, and revenue stability,” said Rob Patridge, Chair of the OLCC.
Under the new rule OLCC retailers will have until March 1, 2017 to sell their transferred OMMP inventory, while at the same time obtaining product tested and packaged according to the state’s new regulations.
Product transferred from the OMMP will be required to be recorded in the state’s Cannabis Tracking System (CTS). The products must carry a label that complies with OHA rules that reads “Does Not Meet New Testing Requirements”; products must also be packaged in a child resistant product package or child resistant “exit” bag.
“We hope this provides assurance and incentive to dispensaries to move over now,” said Patridge. “We want to meet the intent of the legislature to develop this industry, while at the same time ensuring public safety. This approach allows us to do that.”
Also under today’s OLCC action OMMP processors may transfer their existing product if they become an OLCC licensee. The processor’s products will have to be tested, packaged, and labeled under the OLCC’s new requirements.
The OLCC’s licensing staff is working with dispensary owners and processors to help them with the licensing transition, and is already conducting on-site dispensary and processor inspections. Licensing staff is being proactive to assist licensees through its process.
“Our licensing staff is being thorough in investigating licensees and creative in finding solutions,” said Steven Marks, OLCC Executive Director. “We recognize that OMMP retailers are poised to make the transition into the retail market and we took steps today to make it easier for them to do so.”
The OLCC staff will be providing retail licensees with the steps necessary to transfer their product.
Oregonism
Active member
Going by strictly Thc percentages alone is a rookie mistake. In fact at the 2015 Emerald Cup the top 20 winners did not all test at the highest Thc content, but they were a mean and half above the other 400+ entrants in Terpenoid profiles though, hmmm...
Case in point, I recently picked up a random OG at 23% and a random skunk @10%....All heads were almost all in agreement that the 10% was just as "strong" however subjectively you want to take that as...
Oregon dispensaries leave with me a sad feeling. Oh and the skunk was seeded too...
And as far as not getting "high" to be considered medical? What dude?
Please post the medical credentials that left you with that highly opinionated impression, because it isn't fact.
That is a whole nother discussion outside the realm of the Oregon Weed Thread.
Oregonism
Active member
On last Sunday's Hash Church [103] around the 2 hour mark in...they were discussing cost per gram and most were hinting at just around a $1/gram for total production cost indoor, if done "right".
I also read an article about a Dutch grower, who was quoted as saying that even in the early 90's, [this was outdoor too, though] he could still profit at about US $.50 per Kilo of dried flower... thats crazy...
What the thread opinion on Oregon? Are $10-15 grams sustainable at all....I had to convince myself three times that the above mentioned OG, wasn't trundled for its dry sift first and then sold @ $12.50 /gram....Waiting in line at same dispensary, people were only looking for the cheapest they could afford, not the high end. 90% of 100 people in a very small estimated sample size....
This was my 2nd time to a Rec store and I don't know how I go back. I was only dry and thought I would sample a couple of "flavors" but what a waste of time, more than anything....
I also read an article about a Dutch grower, who was quoted as saying that even in the early 90's, [this was outdoor too, though] he could still profit at about US $.50 per Kilo of dried flower... thats crazy...
What the thread opinion on Oregon? Are $10-15 grams sustainable at all....I had to convince myself three times that the above mentioned OG, wasn't trundled for its dry sift first and then sold @ $12.50 /gram....Waiting in line at same dispensary, people were only looking for the cheapest they could afford, not the high end. 90% of 100 people in a very small estimated sample size....
This was my 2nd time to a Rec store and I don't know how I go back. I was only dry and thought I would sample a couple of "flavors" but what a waste of time, more than anything....
Aota1
Member
Keep looking. There's a few good options. We carry a nl5xdurban at 31% that's some of the best I've ever seen. Animal Cookies is insane by the same growers. Out of 25 strains available right now I'd happily stash 15 personally. Also to the guy suggesting i sell METRC tags, I believe Franwell is the company running that. I'd have to see if they wanted me on as the smallest investor ever.
Bongstar420
Member
LOL..its called hitting all the points.
Your 10% skunk had chems people were responding to. Most likely a result of genes. And so what. My point is I can run that cut to 15% and the rest of the stuff will go up with it.
These competitions are not growers competing with the same cut.
If they were, the highest composition would always win because that would always be the result of the best grow. What you are seeing is a competition between cuts that are limited to the specific grower. Sure, I've seen the same as you with lower THC stuff being better than high..Case in point, I tried an OG and Blue Dream. The OG was at 18% and the Blue Dream was at 25%. The Blue Dream was lame but that doesn't mean that I couldn't grow the OG better. I could.
Look. You want to quip about "medical," I don't accept anecdotes as valid unless you can 100% guarentee the "patient" is not BSing themselves in order to justify getting access to cheaper product at higher quantities..
....and I had a patient die. Have you served actual dieing people? The two oz a month I gave to him was outside of "medical necessity"
What I want is for you to demonstrate that there is legitimate clinical double blind placebo studies showing the kind of dosing you think is necessary is actually valid.
You are the opinionated one. I am asserting that there is no clinical evidence to support huge doses of THC.
CBD, well, guess what. Seizure disorders are around the 100mg mark.
o·pin·ion·at·ed
əˈpinyəˌnādəd/
adjective
adjective: opinionated
conceitedly assertive and dogmatic in one's opinions.
How is requiring double blind placebo research over anecdotes "opinionated?"
My medical credentials are not relevant. I simply cannot find research showing 100mg doses for back pain. I also cannot find research showing THC as a better anti-inflammatory compared to CBD/CBDA/THCA. Nor can I find any research showing THC to be a better anti-nausea agent vs CBDA.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/can.2016.0006
Do you see even one instance of 100mg THC dose in this report? If not, why not furnish one of equal or better quality which does?
Your 10% skunk had chems people were responding to. Most likely a result of genes. And so what. My point is I can run that cut to 15% and the rest of the stuff will go up with it.
These competitions are not growers competing with the same cut.
If they were, the highest composition would always win because that would always be the result of the best grow. What you are seeing is a competition between cuts that are limited to the specific grower. Sure, I've seen the same as you with lower THC stuff being better than high..Case in point, I tried an OG and Blue Dream. The OG was at 18% and the Blue Dream was at 25%. The Blue Dream was lame but that doesn't mean that I couldn't grow the OG better. I could.
Look. You want to quip about "medical," I don't accept anecdotes as valid unless you can 100% guarentee the "patient" is not BSing themselves in order to justify getting access to cheaper product at higher quantities..
....and I had a patient die. Have you served actual dieing people? The two oz a month I gave to him was outside of "medical necessity"
What I want is for you to demonstrate that there is legitimate clinical double blind placebo studies showing the kind of dosing you think is necessary is actually valid.
You are the opinionated one. I am asserting that there is no clinical evidence to support huge doses of THC.
CBD, well, guess what. Seizure disorders are around the 100mg mark.
o·pin·ion·at·ed
əˈpinyəˌnādəd/
adjective
adjective: opinionated
conceitedly assertive and dogmatic in one's opinions.
How is requiring double blind placebo research over anecdotes "opinionated?"
My medical credentials are not relevant. I simply cannot find research showing 100mg doses for back pain. I also cannot find research showing THC as a better anti-inflammatory compared to CBD/CBDA/THCA. Nor can I find any research showing THC to be a better anti-nausea agent vs CBDA.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/can.2016.0006
Do you see even one instance of 100mg THC dose in this report? If not, why not furnish one of equal or better quality which does?
