The official 2020 Trump re election thread.

[Hempy McNoodle]

No matter how you slice it, the military and DOJ are closing in on the Deep State from all sides right now and there is no getting out of it.

 

[unclefishstick]

i invented a new type of sushi named the "hempy roll"


it's a rotten sardine wrapped in marshmellow fluff wrapped in nori...


so a fishy taste that's slightly rancid with a bunch of nonsense surrounding it!

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

One of my favorite rolls had nacho cheese and terryaki sauce.

 

[Gry]

Could you possibly provide a source or citation on that? The only statement I am aware of is that he put it under State Secrets because 'some of these people are still alive.'

Here we go, four separate sources.
From the Dallas Morning News nonetheless:

Trump keeps some JFK documents sealed until 2021 as Archives release final batch

Trump agreed with recommendations to keep some of the most sensitive JFK assassination records sealed, at least until October 2021.

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump issued an order Thursday, keeping some of the most sensitive records from the Kennedy assassination files sealed for another 3 1/2 years, as the National Archives released a final batch under a law meant to force most of the records into the light by last fall.
In 1992, Congress set a 25-year deadline for releasing remaining documents stemming from John F. Kennedy's murder in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
When the deadline arrived — Oct. 26 last year — Trump gave federal agencies a six-month extension to plead the case for keeping selected records sealed, if they could assert a vital national security interest. The FBI and CIA in particular had pressed for more time.
Some 15,884 records that have now been partially released, some with heavy redactions, will be subject to yet more review over the next three years under Trump's order.

Washington Post:

Trump delays full release of some JFK assassination files until 2021, bowing to national security concerns

April 26, 2018 at 11:40 a.m. PDTPresident Trump vowed last year to release all the long-secret files related to the JFK assassination, but the administration announced Thursday that some documents will remain redacted until October 2021 for national security reasons.

In a White House memo, Trump said that the nation’s intelligence community persuaded him to keep some parts of documents secret because their exposure could harm “identifiable national security, law enforcement, and foreign affairs concerns.”


Trump gave the CIA, FBI and other agencies a deadline of April 26 to release documents related to the investigation into President John F. Kennedy’s assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald on Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas.

Trump, who once suggested Sen. Ted Cruz’s father played a role in the assassination, had promised to release the entirety of the 5 million pages of records, most of which have been available since the late 1990s.

JFK assassination conspiracy theories: The grassy knoll, Umbrella Man, LBJ and Ted Cruz’s dad

“Subject to the receipt of further information, I will be allowing, as President, the long blocked and classified JFK FILES to be opened,” Trump tweeted on Oct. 21, 2017.
Six days later, he promised: “After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other Agencies, I will be releasing ALL JFK files other than the names and addresses of any mentioned person who is still living.”
Jefferson Morley, a former Washington Post staff writer who edits JFKFacts.org, a website devoted to the Kennedy records, said in an interview that he was disappointed by Trump’s decision to delay the full release for another three years and, possibly, beyond.


“Trump said that all the JFK files will be released, but the truth is that thousands of JFK files are still secret. The clear intent of Congress was to have these released last October and now we’re talking about 2021,” Morley said. “The point is that the CIA wants to keep this secret forever. It’s a very clear statement of intent.”

Morley also said that the Trump administration is not complying with the stipulations of the Kennedy Records Act, which requires that the administration provide declassified explanations for withheld documents.

On October 26, 1992, President George H.W. Bush signed the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act. The law required that all the assassination records “shall be publicly disclosed in full and available” at the National Archives “no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of the enactment of this act.” But the law did allow for postponements if the government was worried that harm to the military and intelligence communities “outweighs the public interest in disclosure.”

Morley, who has been fighting the CIA in federal court for the last 15 years to obtain other Kennedy records, said he was quickly going through the 19,000 files that were released Thursday and came across redactions that made little sense to him. One document was an FBI report detailing an agent’s interview of Oswald’s brother Robert and mother Marguerite in April 1960. The July 1961 document refers to four confidential informants — code-named T-1, T-2, T-3, and T-4 — but their names are blacked out.

“This is a 57-year-old document,” Morley said. “And the names are still being withheld. Why?
Another document is a House Select Committee on Assassinations interview of Boris and Ann Tarasoff, two former contract employees with the CIA at the agency’s Mexico City station in the run-up to Kennedy’s assassination. The transcript’s exchanges are mostly all there, except that Morley noticed one paragraph whited-out for reasons he could not ascertain.

In a separate interview with Mr. Tarasoff on November 30, 1976, I learned that the photographic expert on station in Mexico City in 1963 September to November was Bob Zambernardi. Zambernardi’s —
​

And then the paragraph is whited out until it continues again:

Zambernardi was probably the man in charge of photographing the activities of both the Cuban and Soviet embassies in 1963.
​

At the same time, Morley did give credit to the government for taking documents that were once heavily redacted and lifting their veils. “There is some progress,” he said. “Some significant material has been released today, but other significant redactions remain.”

Rex Bradford, president of the Mary Ferrell Foundation, which tracks the JFK files, said he wasn’t sure yet what had been withheld and needed to spend time scrutinizing the latest release of documents to see whether they contain a large or small amount of redactions. He said he did a quick “spot-check” and was surprised to see fewer whited-out sections than in previous releases.
“I checked a few dozen files, and there were certainly many with redactions, but they tended to be names and short phrases,” Bradford said.

Time Magazine :
The Final JFK Assassination Documents Are About to Drop. Here's What to Know

Thursday is a date that, for 25 years, has loomed large on the calendars of the curious: Oct. 26, 2017, the final deadline for the release of all government records pertaining to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963. Though JFK enthusiasts had worried the final release might never come or would be further delayed, as the President does have the authority to intervene, the release appears to be on track.
Since 2014, a National Archives and Records Administration team has been working to prep the remaining documents for release by that deadline. In July, the first batch of previously withheld documents covered by the law was released online, comprising more than 400 documents that had been fully withheld and nearly 3,400 that had previously been redacted in part.
Earlier this month, resolutions were introduced in the Senate and House urging President Trump not to intervene in the release of, by their count, about 3,000 more unreleased documents and over 30,000 that had been redacted when previously released. As of March, no agency had notified the National Archives (NARA) that they were trying to keep their documents from being released. Last week, with the deadline just days away, NARA told TIME that while it could not disclose whether any agency appeals to further postpone release had been made, the National Archives continued to prepare for a release by the deadline. “CIA continues to engage in the process to determine the appropriate next steps with respect to any previously-unreleased CIA information,” Nicole de Haay, a CIA spokesperson, told TIME. And, on Saturday, President Trump tweeted that, barring a last-minute change, he would allow the files to be opened.
The deadline is the result of a law that was passed in 1992, which declared that those records should be disclosed “to enable the public to become fully informed about the history surrounding the assassination.” Finding that public curiosity continued though the need for secrecy had passed, Congress created the JFK Assassination Records Collection at the National Archives as well as the Assassination Records Review Board, which determined whether a document was covered by the law and, if so, whether there was any reason to postpone that document’s release.
In the late 1990s, after the board concluded its review, 88% of all the documents had been released to the public. Even so, there was a deadline for the rest, the act explained:


Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full, and available in the Collection no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of enactment of this Act, unless the President certifies, as required by this Act, that—
(i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and
(ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.
But, as those fascinated by Kennedy history gear up for Thursday, what exactly might be found in the final release? And why might any government agency be worried about the information contained in half-century-old documents?
As Martha Murphy of the National Archives told TIME last year, anyone hoping for a new twist to add to assassination conspiracy theories may be disappointed, as the bulk of the collection is already public and most of the information due to be disclosed at the end was classified as “not believed relevant” to the assassination when the Review Board initially met in the 1990s. And, as she and NARA’s James Mathis explained in a fall 2017 article, anything that was relevant would fall under the JFK Act’s strict rules governing release, and has likely been public for decades now. The exception would be documentation that an agency was able to demonstrate required protection, in which case a redacted version was likely released before.



National Archives:
JFK Assassination Records Processing Project

NARA Commits to Processing the Withheld JFK Assassination Records by October 26, 2017

Background


Have a question about JFK Assassination Records?



When Congress passed the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act in 1992 agencies throughout the Federal Government transferred assassination-related records to the National Archives which established the JFK Assassination Records Collection. The Collection consists of approximately 5 million pages of records. Approximately 88% of the records in the Collection are open in full. An addition 11% are released in part with sensitive portions removed. Approximately 1% of documents identified as assassination-related remain withheld in full. All documents withheld either in part or in full were authorized for withholding by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), an independent temporary agency that was in existence from 1994 to 1998.
According to the Act, all records previously withheld either in part or in full should be released on October 26, 2017, unless authorized for further withholding by the President of the United States. The 2017 date derives directly from the law that states:
Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full, and available in the Collection no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, unless the President certifies, as required by this Act, that –
(i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement or conduct of foreign relations; and

(ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.
The Act was signed by President Bush on October 26, 1992, thus the final release date is October 26, 2017.*
The JFK 2017 Processing Team

In October of 2014, after conducting an initial pre-processing evaluation of the withheld materials, the National Archives constituted a dedicated team of four (4) archivists to process withheld JFK Assassination-related records in preparation for the 2017 release of additional materials. NARA has hired three (3) additional technicians to assist with digitizing the withheld materials.
The Team is conducting archival processing on the documents to prepare the records for scanning. Agencies with equities in the withheld materials have been notified that previously withheld documents will be released in 2017 absent a successful appeal to the President. The staff is working with NARA’s Office of Innovation to determine the best way to present the documents through archives.gov when released in 2017.
Once the digital release is completed the hard copy documents will be interfiled into the five million pages of the paper Collection.
*For more information about the ARRB and the Act, you can read the Final Report of the Assassination Records Review Board. A copy of the Act is in Appendix C of the Report.
FAQs

Questions about the Collection and the 2017-2018 releases

In accordance with the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (JFK Act), the President created the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) as an independent agency to re-examine for release the assassination-related records that federal agencies still regarded as too sensitive to open to the public. The Board finished its work on September 30, 1998, issued a final report, and transferred all of its records to the National Archives and Records Administration.
What does the John F Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 say about the release of assassination records?

According to the JFK Act, all records that were previously authorized for withholding by the ARRB (under section 6) are to be released no later than 25 years after the signing of the Act, unless the President authorizes further withholding. That date was October 26, 2017. Agencies who wanted their information withheld for longer filed formal appeals with the President in accordance with the JFK Act.
Where is the withdrawn material physically kept?

Agencies transferred the withheld material to NARA. NARA stores the records in security-classified stacks at the National Archives at College Park.
How likely is it that there could be a major revelation in the material?

The ARRB considered the relevancy of each document to the assassination events when they determined which documents would be released during their tenure and which could be postponed until 2017. The ARRB cast a wide net in what they considered “assassination related,” which thus included records on topics not specifically related to the assassination and the investigations into the assassination. While NARA cannot comment on the content of the records, we assume that much of what will be released will be tangential to the assassination events.
Are we going to see everything, or will some documents remain secret forever?

NARA is trusted with preserving our archival holdings permanently and holds that all records in our legal custody will eventually be available for research. That said, there are categories of records in the collection that, in accordance with the JFK Act, will not be released in 2017. Sections 10 and 11 of the JFK Act address withholding of grand jury information and records held under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code (tax return information) as well as records covered by a specific deed of gift. We have identified those records, or portions of records, that fit into these categories. They represent a small portion of the larger collection. For all other records, how long the records will remain withheld after 2017 will be determined by the President, who has final appeal authority.

What is NARA’s role after the release?

The staff of the National Archives has been focused on ensuring that we do everything that we can to facilitate the processing of these records. OWith no difficulty what so ever.
With no difficulty what so ever.
ur goal was to provide the support that the agencies and the President needed to meet the requirements of the JFK Act and to expeditiously release the records as soon as we were authorized to do so.
Now that the 2017 review project is coming to an end, we will begin the archival processing of the original paper documents. We will be interfiling tens of thousands of documents into the 300,000+ documents in the Collection. We will maintain the documents that are still withheld for future re-review. We will be updating the JFK Assassination Collection database with updated access status and posting the updated database on the web.

Where can I find a copy of the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act and more information about the work of the Assassination Records Review Board?

The JFK Act is printed in Appendix C to the ARRB Final Report. It is codified at 44 U.S.C. § 2107 note.

What happened after the October 26, 2017 deadline?

On October 26, 2017, the President issued a memorandum granting a temporary certification authorizing the withholdings requested by the agencies. However, in the memorandum the President required that the agencies re-review the withheld documents over the next 180 days. Any agency that sought to request further postponements needed to submit their findings to the Archivist of the United States by March 12, 2018. The Archivist then provided advice to the President on March 26, 2018 as instructed in the memorandum. NARA is publishing the newly released documents on April 26th, based on the decision of the President.

How do I know if a document released in April has been previously released in 2017?

You can download the spreadsheet linked on the website and sort it by the Record Identification Form (RIF) number. If you see more than one entry for the same RIF number with different dates of release that means that the documents has been released more than once since 2017. We only posted documents in April of 2018 if the agency informed us that the document had more information released as a result of the re-review ordered by the President.

Why are some RIFs associated with the same pdf?

For the subset of FBI files identified by the ARRB as “Not Believed Relevant” or “NBR,” the digital files were sent to NARA as large pdfs. In many cases, more than one “document”, as described in the database with a unique record identification form (RIF) number, is included in a single pdf. Given the time constraints of the project, NARA did not have the time to split these pdfs into unique documents. As a result, the same pdf is often posted more than once and associated with every RIF number that is included in that pdf.

What has not yet been posted?

NARA did not post the following

• 520 documents that are continuing to be withheld in full under sections 10 and 11 of the JFK Act.
• Documents included in the Oswald 201 microfilm were not processed for release or posted since it was determined that the microfilm documents are a duplicate of the original Oswald 201 file that is processed and released. The ARRB evaluated these records and determined that they were duplicate files. NARA conducted our own evaluation, which was completed on February 5, 2018. That independent evaluation agreed with the ARRB’s original assessment.
• The open in full “document” 180-10125-10179, which is an index of the numbered files of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). Since every document in the numbered files has otherwise been indexed in the JFK Database, we have not yet prioritized the scanning of these 30,000 index cards. However, they are now open in full and available upon request in the research room at the National Archives at College Park.
• Document 180-10142-10194, which is a used typewriter ribbon.
• Ford Library audio files that the ARRB agreed could not be recovered. The transcripts of the audio files are open and available in the Collection. The ARRB’s decision was captured on page 2 of the Ford Library’s “Final Declaration,” dated August 12, 1998 (which is open and available in the ARRB files). The following RIF numbers describe the audio files.
  • 178-10004-10390
  • 178-10004-10388
  • 178-10004-10387
  • 178-10004-10394
  • 178-10004-10395
  • 178-10004-10386
  • 178-10004-10391
  • 178-10004-10392
  • 178-10004-10393
  • 178-10004-10389
• 79 unresolved RIF numbers (See below)

What is the current status of the 86 documents referred to in the December 15, 2017 press release?

The press release referred to 86 Record Identification Form (RIF) numbers where additional research was required by the National Archives and the other agencies to resolve. After additional processing, NARA was able to reduce the number of RIF numbers still outstanding to 79. These are RIF numbers that were captured in the JFK Database, but a corresponding document has not yet been found in the Collection. Some of these might be data entry errors from when agencies provided thousands of diskettes with meta-data in the 1990s. NARA will continue to try to resolve these issues as archival processing continues on the Collection. A list of these RIF numbers as well as the associated meta-data is available here.

Please explain the Section 10 and 11 documents issue.


Unlike the Legislative and Executive Branch records discussed in sections 5 and 6 of the Act, section 10 addresses records withheld under court seal that would require a federal court order to allow release. The records still withheld under section 10 are outside of the current public disclosure rules as outlined in section 5.
In section 11, the Act states that the JFK Act does not take precedence over "section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code" or “deeds governing access to or transfer or release of gifts and donations of records to the United States Government.” Records defined by section 11 are also outside of the current public disclosure rules outlined in section 5.


As part of NARA’s processing, we conducted a survey of documents listed as containing withholdings under both of these sections, and were able to determine that the metadata identifying documents with section 10 and 11 information was correctly applied. Since 2017, we also identified several items among our holdings subject to deed of gift restrictions where a release was possible and undertaken. We will continue to assess the pertinent deed of gift restrictions and will release documents in the future.

What is the oldest document that still contains a redaction?

A document from 1943, RIF number 104-10166-10145.

As of April 2018, how many documents are now withheld in full and how many are redacted?

520 documents remain withheld in full pursuant to sections 10 and 11 of the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act (JFK Act) and are not subject to the 25-year disclosure requirements, and the President’s certification to withhold certain records, established under section 5 of the JFK Act.
Section 10 authorized the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) to petition courts to request the Attorney General to release assassination related information held under seal of a court or “under the injunction of secrecy of a grand jury.” The ARRB "only identified one instance where it believed that important assassination records remained under seal of court and it requested and obtained the assistance of the Department of Justice in lifting the seal" on 13 transcripts of electronic surveillance (described in Chapter Five, p.75, and Chapter Six, p.104 of its Final Report, which is available on NARA’s website, at https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/report). Five documents remain withheld in full under this section.
Section 11 completely excluded from the JFK Act tax return information protected under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, as well as “deeds governing access to or transfer or release of gifts and donations of records to the United States Government.” The vast majority of the remaining 515 withheld in full documents concern tax-related information of the IRS or the Social Security Administration. The ARRB discusses these documents at Chapter Five, pp.74-75, and Chapter Eight, pp. 154-55 and 159-60 of its Final Report.
15,834 documents are still redacted, although most are currently less redacted than prior to October 26, 2017.
Since July 2017, NARA has released in full 13,371 documents.

Bottom line being that our current president is more complaint to the desires of the agency than any before.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Note that Gina Haspel has directed CIA to cooperate with all investigations into it's possibly illegal activities. While you are correct that CIA may have advised Trump, it doesn't change the narrative that these records can now be investigated under State Secrets and soon, can be entered as evidence. Is 3.5 years long enough to run an investigation.

Just throwing this out there, but some believe that GHW Bush was put to death.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

GHW Bush's casket viewed from above.
(An upside down flag is a symbol for a traitor) if you veiw it upside down do you see the letter Q?
Plausible deniability?

https://images.app.goo.gl/1x6NTcTkSJZkaK7S7

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Think about the 'Q' at the Gravesite of JFK.
Think about the 'Q' in the stone tiles surrounding Bush's casket.
(Flag upside down)

And then repeat.

 

[nice fella]

No matter how you slice it, the military and DOJ are closing in on the Deep State from all sides right now and there is no getting out of it.

lol the military and the DOJ ARE the deep state! Or rather, the operative agents for them.

Who the fuck do you think is really running things? Surely you won't name...ahem..those for whom we cannot discuss. A certain desert people who claim "ethnonationalism for me but not for thee!"

So who is it, in the normie conservative world view? I'm genuinely asking in good faith.

The CIA exists to destabilize patriotic political parties in Eastern Europe, legalize buttsex in Iran, protect Israel and trap autistic teenage white nationalists in honeypot operations.

Do you think the CIA is hunting down "terrorists" or something?

 

[unclefishstick]

gasp! trump wore a mask in public today...what a pussy! lol

 

[GeorgeWBush]

lol the military and the DOJ ARE the deep state! Or rather, the operative agents for them.

Who the fuck do you think is really running things? Surely you won't name...ahem..those for whom we cannot discuss. A certain desert people who claim "ethnonationalism for me but not for thee!"

So who is it, in the normie conservative world view? I'm genuinely asking in good faith.

The CIA exists to destabilize patriotic political parties in Eastern Europe, legalize buttsex in Iran, protect Israel and trap autistic teenage white nationalists in honeypot operations.

Do you think the CIA is hunting down "terrorists" or something?

Well at least you're not cynical...by the way where did you get your tin foil hat ?mine only picks up am radio stations playing country music

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

lol the military and the DOJ ARE the deep state! Or rather, the operative agents for them.

Who the fuck do you think is really running things? Surely you won't name...ahem..those for whom we cannot discuss. A certain desert people who claim "ethnonationalism for me but not for thee!"

So who is it, in the normie conservative world view? I'm genuinely asking in good faith.

The CIA exists to destabilize patriotic political parties in Eastern Europe, legalize buttsex in Iran, protect Israel and trap autistic teenage white nationalists in honeypot operations.

Do you think the CIA is hunting down "terrorists" or something?

Correction: The military and DOJ has taken back control from the Deep State. That is why it is always FORMER officials who speak out about Trump and his phantom corruption.

Deep State actors are continually being purged. And this includes dems and repubz. In some cases, Trump has brought them in to his own admin for strategic purposes (he already knew that they were Deep State agents, think Cohen, Fauci). This is why Trump has installed over 200 federal judges. The most in history?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Gina Haspel was selected to run the CIA because of her experience and knowledge of CIA operations in Europe. This is all going to tie together.

 

[anoydas 666]

 

[unclefishstick]

in another edition of "darn that trump guy is funny"


he asked if the us could sell puerto rico...




i'm thinking what we need to do is build the wall....around say texas and let trump be king and all his supporters can have their safe space...we can just keep building the wall up taller and taller until it becomes a dome...just before the dome is closed dump pauly shore in there for a permanent biodome 3!

 

[GOT_BUD?]

in another edition of "darn that trump guy is funny"


he asked if the us could sell puerto rico...




i'm thinking what we need to do is build the wall....around say texas and let trump be king and all his supporters can have their safe space...we can just keep building the wall up taller and taller until it becomes a dome...just before the dome is closed dump pauly shore in there for a permanent biodome 3!

Texas has some good parts in it. I suggest Florida.

And I could never condone doing that to Pauly. He's way too nice of a guy. His humor can be hit or miss but as a person he's one of the good ones.

 

[nice fella]

Correction: The military and DOJ has taken back control from the Deep State. That is why it is always FORMER officials who speak out about Trump and his phantom corruption.

Deep State actors are continually being purged. And this includes dems and repubz. In some cases, Trump has brought them in to his own admin for strategic purposes (he already knew that they were Deep State agents, think Cohen, Fauci). This is why Trump has installed over 200 federal judges. The most in history?

So in your understanding of the world, the deep state is a series of random individuals- not racially or ethnically intertwined- whom wish to take out Trump whilst maintaining personal financial gain?

With no other deep-seeded racial or political ambition? Is that how you understand the Deep State, and the world?

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Man. Those Lincoln Project guys sure don't pull punches.

 

[Lrus007]

i invented a new type of sushi named the "hempy roll"


it's a rotten sardine wrapped in marshmellow fluff wrapped in nori...


so a fishy taste that's slightly rancid with a bunch of nonsense surrounding it!

your insults/humor are pretty 3rd grade.

it is ok we all know what fishsticks are made from.

 

[unclefishstick]

good,the dems are too worried about political correctness to go low where trump lives...

 

[unclefishstick]

your insults/humor are pretty 3rd grade.

it is ok we all know what fishsticks are made from.

once again excellent use of unintentional irony