The New & Improved [ROLS MEGATHREAD].

[ClackamasCootz]

From Steiner's group the world's first organic certification was born in the late 1920's. That was a full 20 years before certification came to the surface in England and almost 50 years before the first organic certification process in the USA was born in Ellensberg, Washington when the group Regional Tilth was established and out of that came Oregon Tilth, California Certified Organic Farmers (CCOF), Washington Tilth, et al.

Biodynamic certification is still the most difficult to earn closely followed by Oregon Tilth and then CCOF.

HTH

CC

 

[Rising Moon]

Its also fun from my own observational point of view to note that, of all the farmers I know, have met and worked with, the Bio-Dynamic guys and gals are always so much more interesting than the certified organic ones...

They seem to have a real sense of pride in what they are doing, and consider themselves stewards of the soil and energy flows on their land.

Where as the certified organic farmers tend to talk about production, yields and variety.

The Bio-dynamic farmers speak of spirit, energy, closed loop systems, ever increasing soil fertility and the cosmic sensitivity of the soil.

 

[Gascanastan]

Its also fun from my own observational point of view to note that, of all the farmers I know, have met and worked with, the Bio-Dynamic guys and gals are always so much more interesting than the certified organic ones...

They seem to have a real sense of pride in what they are doing, and consider themselves stewards of the soil and energy flows on their land.

Where as the certified organic farmers tend to talk about production, yields and variety.

The Bio-dynamic farmers speak of spirit, energy, closed loop systems, ever increasing soil fertility and the cosmic sensitivity of the soil.

...and they are usually barefoot....with more hair too.

Regardless of the belief system each individual may have when attending to this stuff,the soil is indeed more a unified life form from the human holistic perspective. It communicates,moves nutrients around,and functions like the perfect 'greener' city if there ever was one. The recent realizations that larger trees 'nurture' the smaller ones near them and balance out the available nutrition depending on each tree size and demand it presents is proof.

 

[smoooth]

Great information posted in the last couple pages. Can't wait to get a compost pile and worm bin going.

Have a quick question for the guys using the large container smart pots indoors. Believe I read someone was using 45 gallon smarts. I have a couple 30 gallon smarts i want to put to use indoors but was wondering what people are using as trays for them. Don't want water leaking everywhere and making a mess.

 

[Cann]

no trays...i just let it flood my tent, and then the smartpots eventually wick the moisture back up. might look into some sort of tray system though...cause the flooding is annoying

 

[smoooth]

Thanks for the info cann. I'm gonna start looking around and if I find anything I'll let you guys know.

 

[canna woop!]

no trays...i just let it flood my tent, and then the smartpots eventually wick the moisture back up. might look into some sort of tray system though...cause the flooding is annoying

really? wow, that is funny you must admit. a couple ideas come to mind. Rock salt if you want to soak it up. And, the water heater pan's at the hardware store work for the 30 gallon smart pot... only ten bucks and it is the right width for the pot. it can even be fitted with PVC for drainage. If i was running that setup i would buy two (for extra strength) and fit it with a cage so the pot is suspended with air flow under neath them. My setup ATM does not utilize the cage.

i believe in the biodynamic stuff, not sure how refined my ideas are since im only gardening a few years, but maybe the companion planting is a refined biodynamic belief though. and I believe the plants share the nutrients, stress, and other soil conditions, distributing the condition more evenly than if every plant is segregated. so maybe then, if one of the companions shows a bit of a potassium deficiency (drooping crisped tips) as well as slight edge burn along the blades, while her companion plants are almost totally healthy this is an indication the soil is moving in that direction for the healthy plants as well

edit- i realize that i basically just retyped what gascan wrote, any way i agree lol

 

[vonforne]

...and they are usually barefoot....with more hair too.

need to find one of those.....lol

 

[SoooHaggard]

Good to see you Cootz.

That barley tea 2.0 sounds an awful lot like moon shinin!


*backs into the shadows.......*

 

[jerry111165]

Good to see you Cootz.

That barley tea 2.0 sounds an awful lot like moon shinin!


*backs into the shadows.......*

Or beer...

J

 

[ClackamasCootz]

That barley tea 2.0 sounds an awful lot like moon shinin!

SoooHaggard

Besides whiskey, sprouted corn is one of two methods used to create & harvest cytokinins. The other is the water from young coconuts.

Coconut water & barley malt are used in tissue culture, orchid propagation, etc. That was discovered over 70 years ago so it's not some kind of new science or worse - stoner science.

CC

 

[Rising Moon]

Barefoot and hairy, I think this guy fits the bill...

Organic vs. Biodynamic - by Jeff Poppen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWE9Scwy1zA

 

[high life 45]

My 2nd year O. L. S. strawberries! A simple mix of og mushroom compost and local dirt.

Watered in 2 gallons of fulvic and aloe yesterday = prayin berries today!

 

[W89]

cool vid RM

 

[420MAN78]

Hey Cootz awesome to see you back around here posting.

Got a cpl questions for ya and anyone else that wants to chime in feel free. It's getting into spring now and warmer weather so the mites are going to be bugging me soon. Well actually i saw 3 on the floor of my flower room last night and killed them. I flower in a bedroom that has hardwood floors so i covered the floor with poly and taped the top above my baseboards to help combat the borg. I checked my plants and i don't see any signs of damage yet but i'm sure it will come. I just passed 5 weeks on the ones in there and think I'll wait to put more in to clean it up in there after the harvest. When you use your cilantro tea mix does this kill mites or it's more of a repellant in a way? I got some organic cilantro today. After making the puree and then letting it sit in water how much of that tea would you add to a 1 liter spray bottle? I saw you say that you add a 1/4 cup of aloe juice. If using the 200X powder how much of that would you add?

Plan is to spray my veg plants so i don't have any problems to worry about when i put them into the flower room. Also will be switching to my version of your soil mix and getting off the bottled nutes.

 

[420MAN78]

Another question i have for all the guys using the aloe/fulvic/silica/sprout teas along with some CT. Using humic every watering or even silica in your opinion does it, or can it, affect the health of the soil in a negative way hence hurting whatever is growing in it?

 

[jerry111165]

Well actually i saw 3 (mites) on the floor of my flower room last night and killed them

Man, you have got some serious 20/20 vision going on man - I'm not kidding. My older eyes couldn't see a mite on my floor if there was a hunnerd of them.

J

 

[BlueJayWay]

Another question i have for all the guys using the aloe/humic/silica/sprout teas along with some CT. Using humic every watering or even silica in your opinion does it, or can it, affect the health of the soil in a negative way hence hurting whatever is growing in it?

Overdoing anything can be bad, so yes, but stay within recommended qtys and you're good. 8 months in, I never stopped my experiment of the above mentioned combo in each and every watering/foliar lol - good stuff - in moderation.

 

[RicoT]

I thought it was fulvic, aloe, silica, sprouts BJW?

 

[BlueJayWay]

Ah yes, sorry my mind read what it thought was there lol thank you

Silica in the res with just water, then aloe/fulvic/SST (sprouted seed tea) right before watering.....personally I do switch out fulvic for a powdered humic acid with micronutes TM7 - for variety and micronutrient insurance plan for the 'big 7'. Every other week or so.