Stoneguru
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Selecting males off morphology alone is no different than selecting a female off of looks. Doing so propagates mediocrity.
It would be relatively easy to find a male C S1 to match a blurry picture in looks. It is for any other line. The problem is a plant can look spot on and smoke like shit or look different and smoke like the parent.
Every additional qualifier of quality makes it harder to find and requires exponentially larger populations to do so.
As an arbitrary example If it's 1:30 plants that look like male C and 1:30 with the potency or effect it could be as few as 1:900 that has all of both in full.
There are always exceptions. The outliers or ancestors tend to be the most dominant breeders from my experience. Then it is a matter of those dominant traits are desirable or worth what comes with them.
More often than that people settle for the desirable trait of one of the parents at significantly less concentration of the parent.
Well now they're propagating a lesser examples with far fewer examples that will be where parent was. Propagating Mediocrity.
I hadn't read much of Nevil's thread. It's clear that Nevil also considered profile and smoking experience to be a qualifier of quality in haze. Ie: catpiss etc.
The profile of the best haze is more exceptional than anything imo and also the most difficult to find and breed. He sure didn't hold back I'm doing the work. However. Anything that comes after where the same standards aren't held can and have undone the work very quickly.
From my perspective the most important key to restoring and maintaining haze is not bro science or only academic.
It is hard work and uncompromising standards. I don't think haze is restored and maintained through 10's of plants. It's through 100's and 1000's. Like every other profession hard work and determination will outpace everything else.
I don't care for Nobody's pompous attitude, but he has my
respect on Doing the work. A lot more people are doing the same. The new 10 has become 100 and the needle of quality is moving forward as a direct result. Rapidly in fact.
Best of 200-300 raises the quality of the average and the peak. Best of 30 plants can just as easily drop the quality from where the parental stock was at.
I think the best of a pack mentality is detrimental.
30 plants is a minimum threshold of getting a glimpse of a line. Anything less is a sample packet lotto.
At around 100 plants an understanding of the line is beginning.
At 3 versions tested of F2 and 3 outcrossing tested the comprehension of breeding dynamics of the specific parent begins. Not attained. Begins.
That is close to 200 plants to have an understanding of 1 plant and from my experience this understanding does not just translate to others projects or genetics.
If I take what I learned from one plant and assume that the same is true of another or something someone else is doing I will be wrong.
The practice of these or similar guidelines results in an intimate experience based understanding that is more insightful than what can be read and equip to make informed selections.
*These are just examples and there are always exceptions, but if the objective is to maintain or preserve quality haze then large populations and uncompromising standards are the most effective keys to doing so.
It would be relatively easy to find a male C S1 to match a blurry picture in looks. It is for any other line. The problem is a plant can look spot on and smoke like shit or look different and smoke like the parent.
Every additional qualifier of quality makes it harder to find and requires exponentially larger populations to do so.
As an arbitrary example If it's 1:30 plants that look like male C and 1:30 with the potency or effect it could be as few as 1:900 that has all of both in full.
There are always exceptions. The outliers or ancestors tend to be the most dominant breeders from my experience. Then it is a matter of those dominant traits are desirable or worth what comes with them.
More often than that people settle for the desirable trait of one of the parents at significantly less concentration of the parent.
Well now they're propagating a lesser examples with far fewer examples that will be where parent was. Propagating Mediocrity.
I hadn't read much of Nevil's thread. It's clear that Nevil also considered profile and smoking experience to be a qualifier of quality in haze. Ie: catpiss etc.
The profile of the best haze is more exceptional than anything imo and also the most difficult to find and breed. He sure didn't hold back I'm doing the work. However. Anything that comes after where the same standards aren't held can and have undone the work very quickly.
From my perspective the most important key to restoring and maintaining haze is not bro science or only academic.
It is hard work and uncompromising standards. I don't think haze is restored and maintained through 10's of plants. It's through 100's and 1000's. Like every other profession hard work and determination will outpace everything else.
I don't care for Nobody's pompous attitude, but he has my

Best of 200-300 raises the quality of the average and the peak. Best of 30 plants can just as easily drop the quality from where the parental stock was at.
I think the best of a pack mentality is detrimental.
30 plants is a minimum threshold of getting a glimpse of a line. Anything less is a sample packet lotto.
At around 100 plants an understanding of the line is beginning.
At 3 versions tested of F2 and 3 outcrossing tested the comprehension of breeding dynamics of the specific parent begins. Not attained. Begins.
That is close to 200 plants to have an understanding of 1 plant and from my experience this understanding does not just translate to others projects or genetics.
If I take what I learned from one plant and assume that the same is true of another or something someone else is doing I will be wrong.
The practice of these or similar guidelines results in an intimate experience based understanding that is more insightful than what can be read and equip to make informed selections.
*These are just examples and there are always exceptions, but if the objective is to maintain or preserve quality haze then large populations and uncompromising standards are the most effective keys to doing so.