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The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

willydread

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Ah i loved orange....


You’ve probably shopped at Flower Power
Maybe, I remember several shops, but not their names! But I remember the varieties, a lot of skunk, but also names that to us country boys sounded new and a bit mythical: ssh, white rhino, Durban...
Names that are now common, almost passé, but back then they were something excellent...
 

Mate Dave

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Ticino :) There's a stack of polystyrene seed trays with some A crosses A17, A18, A24 are in one pile..

When you watch the videos from the outdoor A24 is a indica BLD waist height.

They had A18 Skunk.
A17 he says is the smallest one
 

Mate Dave

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They have always I think kept things in Switzerland. I was at a Dinner one evening and there was a discussion of great detail about the in's and out's and how cunning the plan was. Boarder access, legal pillows but with no real bulk market for skimming it off the top..

Some of his images posted on the projector during his talk were mesmorising. The shear scale of the operations at picking time :ROFLMAO:



Shanti in interviews says that during his time in the Hotel he met many persons trying to convince him to expand many of which had land in the South of Italy.. The Wild Wild West.

During that period there was some amazing bricked cannabis available.. Most of it had the Babysick citrusy putrid smell. There was a lot. Pearl, Haze, Queen, Rhino, Shark, PP.

Not pressed but just packed down to 100% in perfect condition. Not like the years before when it was Smashed flat and a bar was the size of a banana.

This was before any of the Amnesia or anything substandard that followed, from either spain holland or the USA. Weed was really good then. Better than now.
 

ramse

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Shanti in interviews says that during his time in the Hotel he met many persons trying to convince him to expand many of which had land in the South of Italy.. The Wild Wild West.
I had heard something like this too. Yes, there is certainly no shortage of job offers while staying in the homeland's prisons

if you read the transcript of the podcast I posted earlier, you can get a bit of an idea of what Ticino was like at that time... a real Wild West. I could tell you horror stories... kidnappings, robberies, thefts, armed guards, etc... the money and proximity to the border had started to attract many criminals or wannabe criminals from across the border... in addition to all the marijuana tourism and the kids who, loaded with "stuffed cushion", crossed the border along the old smugglers' paths... however, there were also many passionate kids who did a good job


but yes, living in an Italian exclave in Swiss territory I think he also kept some things there in Switzerland, certainly regarding the production of high CBD cannabis... but the seed production had been transferred to Spain

This was before any of the Amnesia or anything substandard that followed, from either spain holland or the USA. Weed was really good then. Better than now.

it is impressive how much the quality improved in just a few years... I think the temperate climate of Ticino and the enormous selections that were made gave a good push.
 
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Stoneguru

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The more experience I gain the less absolute about observations. That said those males do look different.
.some of us who seen these old plants wont pre 2000s wont always be around...
Awesome information and what a timely statement considering what has happened since.

The only test that really confirms haze is the smoke test. Even though a lot of us guess about quality based on pictures there is no way to smoke a picture.

I think it would be very important and beneficial for the people growing haze today to get the flower in front of the older generation to smoke.

Not for some ego stroke of besting. For identifying and confirming the haze qualities for accuracy and preservation of the profiles and effects.

The bottom male could be an inferior HazeC squared male. This is just my speculation.

If the original HazeC male is still around, why hasn't Mrn come out with a pure HazeC male hybrid? All we're getting is nothing but Haze hybrid x Haze hybrid.

Reversing the male C onto itself would produce regular male C seed. This must have already been done by now.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Reversing the male C onto itself would produce regular male C seed. This must have already been done by now.

No it won't Stoney you're still dealing with a hybrid and none of the Haze C Square seed Nevil grew was close to the HzC Clone.

The HzC square male plants seed didn't just produce male plants, they also produced female off spring also.
 

Stoneguru

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No it won't Stoney you're still dealing with a hybrid and none of the Haze C Square seed Nevil grew was close to the HzC Clone.

The HzC square male plants seed didn't just produce male plants, they also produced female off spring also.
I don't know if you understand what I am referencing. Male C reversed pollen onto Male C Female flowers produced by using ethylene . The male plant reversed will produce regular seed rather than malenized or feminized
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
I know exactly what you're talking about, Stoney and what I posted came directly from Nevil and reversing a male plant to a female and self pollinating its self will as I posted will produce both male and female off spring.
 

Stoneguru

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I know exactly what you're talking about, Stoney and what I posted came directly from Nevil and reversing a male plant to a female and self pollinating its self will as I posted will produce both male and female off spring.
I wasn't referring to achieving an identical clone of male C. This cannot be determined perfectly anyway.

Similarly morphology does not necessarily determine metabolic.

The closest one could get would still be to reverse the male C fully and smoke the flower, but even that wont be a perfect comparison.

The more accurate would be to grow out ~100 Male C S1 at the keeper ratio of less than 5%. Then select the parent.

After that. Grow out a minimum of 100 plants of each cross with the Male C S1 5%er that had been performed with Male C original and compare the offspring side by side.

I was referring preserving qualities and variations of Male C as a haze without outcrossing it or using other versions of it to breed with. In general only around 5% or less of what comes from male C would be considered on par with the best hazes.

In that sense not a lot should be expected of Male C backcrossed anymore than outcrossed.

Based on overall performance and reviews on rate of occurrence over the years. How many hybrids are on par with the best of Male C. Maybe 1:50 or 1:100? These are fairly consistent metrics on what size hunt.

Honestly I don't feel like ai am fully familiar with a line at less than that of any make

In that sense the appropriate hunt for Male C bx would be at least 100 plants. Of those 1 should be of equal quality as male C. Of course it would still have subtle difference.

If a Bx can't produce something of similar quality (though different). Then how is it as a breeder? How well does it pass along its favorable traits?

@HEMPY how many females of Male C S1 did Nevil run?
 
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willydread

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(if I understand right your question) i guess we can't have a same male C on seed form, just as it is not possible to have the same copy of the mother by doing s1, you can get close, but it is not the same thing....

@ramse I fully agree with everything you said, it was an intense period, beautiful and ugly from different points of view....great memories of those days
 

Stoneguru

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(if I understand right your question) i guess we can't have a same male C on seed form, just as it is not possible to have the same copy of the mother by doing s1, you can get close, but it is not the same thing....

@ramse I fully agree with everything you said, it was an intense period, beautiful and ugly from different points of view....great memories of those days
Yes. That is what I was originally trying to convey. I do not know If Male C is still available. It makes sense that he would have S1'ed it.

From that Male C S1 seed stock I imagine at least 1:50 would be an equivalent (though different)

I do not even know if Identical would be a desirable goal..I had the space and access to that I would seek out the S1 keepers that were most different from Male C rather than the most similar.

I would take those selections to cross back to male C. More often and indirect approach with haze works better than direct anyway.

This is all theoretical, but it stands to reason that plenty of Male C S1's have been made. (I hope)

If the goal is to preserve an array of quality haze the S1's keepers would be selected for being different than Male C, but similar quality...maybe one isolation the goal would be similarity.
 
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Stoneguru

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I disagree with you here willydread, you can get a copy of the mother in s1 seed. Its rare but 1 from 1000 statisticly will show the exact genetic combination of the mother.
Are you referring to genomic sequencing being identical?

If it's genomic sequence is mapped out identical will it's progeny/imparted genes and vigor also be identical?
 
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