The Mill's Pride Club

[stretchpuppy]

Thanks man thats what i was looking for... You pull off a few grows on that 120v/15a...

Oh and just to make sure...

the timers plug into the power strip right? And the appliance plugs into the timer?

Edit.

If you have a small veg/mother room attached to your cab is it cool to have its own powerstrip with say 4-6 45w cfl's all hooked up to their own power strip, then the power strip plugged into a extension cord , which is plugged into another timer and into the Original extension cord.

YW, by the time I found the C13 thread on OG, it was 60 something pages long and just about every configuration and setup was explained, so there detail was all there for me to mimic. I basically didn't even have to ask.. just lurk, read, and build.

I used to run two timers, one for the light and one for the inline pulling from my light hood. After a mold problem with my first grow (could also be because I packed two big ass waterfarms in there, didn't bury the drippers all the way so there was a lot of water splash, and grew frickin trees and huge ass colas) I decided to let the inline run 24/7 to keep fresh air circulating and just time the light. Has worked great since, but I also moved the cab out of the bedroom when I started running the fan full time.


There is actually a powerstrip IN the cab, that routes out through the same 2" hole I drilled to also let the fan and light wiring out of the cab. This gets caulked up and sealed, and then plugged into the external powerstrip where the timer for the light, ballast, and fan for the ballast plug into. This is just my specific setup... to give you an idea.

I'd say running a few CFLs in another cab would be perfectly okay, but that's my instinct talking and not actually crunching the numbers on the load on that circut, which you could do. I plan on adding a 4 bulb 24" T5 flouro and another vortex with a speed controller running at 1/4 speed for my mom room.

At the very least I did check at the breaker box and which outlets were controlled by which breaker, sometimes 1 room will use two different lines and it's even easier on you to setup.

 

[Pheno Phreak]

Hey Sumo! Been away for a while, but its nice to see a friendly. I was prepared to help answer some questions, but it looks like everybody has already beaten me to it.

one thing I can't stress enough is to supplement your cab's with c02 if possible

my cab isn't being put to use atm, however it will be soon. pic's asap

on another note, bostrom.....i have always wondered why move the ladies up and down instead of the light?

ohh yah, and for all the ppl putting together cab's for the first time.....plan it out!

You need to identify your personal needs, and evaluate your situation. What is the most imporntant? Stealth/yield/space? Remember there are many ways to incorporate the use of a cab. Will it be used for the whole cycle each time? Will you be going from seed or clone? Maybe you will be going from seed the first few times, then going from clone when you get your setup dialed in. The point I am trying to make is you don't wanna have to build a new cab because the old one wasn't thought out thouroughly. Building the cab isn't a chore, but it isn't a piece of cake either. Don't be cheap, and buy a melemene backing for it (you won't believe how sturdy this makes it), place all equipment strategically in the cab, remember measure twice cut once. You want your cab as versitale as possible.....you want to be able to accomidate different needs at different times. Space will be your biggest enemy when dealing with cab's, so be smart about it!

Nuff with the ramblin'

 

[bostrom155]

on another note, bostrom.....i have always wondered why move the ladies up and down instead of the light?

Well I've had the chain thing on the light before and used to move the light and would always end up propping up some plants. I have 10 plants in now, and pull some every two weeks, so thier all differant sizes. My cab's a bit diff now with 150hps at each end for more light. and no 4 foot tubes

 

[Hunt4Hazez]

Why the sudden death of this thread? I love watching the 400 cab grows.

 

[Guest]

is a 1/4 inch thick piece of plywood good enough to use as a backing?

 

[sumo]

It will work. I put plywood over cheap cardboard thing it came with. Wanted the brilliant white backing without having to paint.

 

[Guest]

thats exactly what im going to do.

 

[goldfronts]

Hi.

I am planning on getting a c25 (smaller one). What would be the best way to cool the cab with a mother/ veg cab (C4) attached to it side by side. I am assuming that during veg the plants would smell, and I want to have no odor.

I would have a 309 cfm fan in the c25 that would exhaust to a carbon filter. Should the intakes be bigger on the c25, or on the veg cab. I am going to be using 4 18 watt fluoros in the veg chamber so I don't think it will get that hot in there, but I would like to be able to move the air from the veg cab into the c25, then out to the carbon scrubber.

I hope that made sense.

Thanks in advance.

GoldFronts

Secondly, is there an easier way to exhaust both

 

[Guest]

if they're side by side you could drill a hole in the side of each of them and mount a computer fan that sucks air out of the smaller one then into the c25 then be pulled through your 309cfm fan aswell

 

[Sauce]

That would work.

You could also put the passive intakes (holes) in the small veg cab and then the fan from the C25 would suck air through the C4 into the C25 and then out the C25. Just make sure you use a curve or 2 so that you don't have light leaks into the flower chamber.

However in veg plants really don't smell, especially when you have so few under such low wattage. I would personally just put a small fan to circulate air in the veg cab and not mess around with linking them. I run 50w of fluro in my veg cab and have ran more wattage before (always under 100w) and don't use any fans in it. Veg temps can be higher so it should be fine.

 

[goldfronts]

Thanks For Your Answer. I thought about that curtisd, but i am still wondering about intake size holes. What size should the veg cab's intake be vs the c25 intake size?

I would like to get more direct airflow (Not from the veg cab) into the c25 because the 400w will be in there generating the most heat.

 

[goldfronts]

That would work.

You could also put the passive intakes (holes) in the small veg cab and then the fan from the C25 would suck air through the C4 into the C25 and then out the C25. Just make sure you use a curve or 2 so that you don't have light leaks into the flower chamber.

However in veg plants really don't smell, especially when you have so few under such low wattage. I would personally just put a small fan to circulate air in the veg cab and not mess around with linking them. I run 50w of fluro in my veg cab and have ran more wattage before (always under 100w) and don't use any fans in it. Veg temps can be higher so it should be fine.

Cool. I always thought that plants smelled even in veg, but pulling the air through the c4 into the c25 would scrub the air anyway.

So you think that a couple of passive intakes in the veg cab connected to the c25 would be enough to cool the c25? even though it would be warm air from the veg cab? Should the c25 have any intakes at all?

Sorry I have so many questions, I just really want to do this right.

 

[Sauce]

Well if you set it up that way the passive intakes would be on the bottom of the C4 and fan would be at the top of the C25. The air in the C4 will be pulled from outside the cab so it will be at room temp.

The problem I see with this is that the airflow would be really weird sucking from the smaller cab into the bigger cab. Same goes with using a PC fan to vent the smaller cab into the bigger cab.

I think the best option would be to just use the C25 as is with the fan, then use a few small PC fans to vent the C4. I guarantee some PC fans will be able to cool fluros under 100w, especially in such a small cab. The C4 isn't too much larger than a computer and a pc produces way more heat. Go with the 12cm fans over the 8cm but either will work. I'd say use 2 mounted at the top in corners. They can blow out the back so they don't show.

 

[sumo]

Unbelievable. Inadvertant criminal. I started growing to save money and to get out of black market. Well my 400w light produces more bud than I need. So instead of face constant risk of possessing too much, I face the one time risk of unloading some bud. Sure gives one a conflict of interest with legalization issues. I don't think my will is so weak as to waver on my staunch legalization beliefs. However it is the drug laws that make any extra bud you have so valuable. But......still.....want........legaliza-------.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Unbelievable. Inadvertant criminal. I started growing to save money and to get out of black market. Well my 400w light produces more bud than I need. So instead of face constant risk of possessing too much, I face the one time risk of unloading some bud. Sure gives one a conflict of interest with legalization issues. I don't think my will is so weak as to waver on my staunch legalization beliefs. However it is the drug laws that make any extra bud you have so valuable. But......still.....want........legaliza-------.

You could always store you extra bud in jars and let it cure. do 1 more grow and chill out for a bit. Thats what i do if my harvest is too much. If i know i have enough for me for months I scrap my grow and relax for a bit. Just a thought







Nevermind

 

[NorCalRx]

Thought I would hop on and post up my first cab grow (c24 with 400w) I decided to push through my filter due to previous poor results sucking (smelly air leaks) and WOW if you have the CFM to spare I definetly reccomend pushing through a filter because it works way better eliminating smell. Its day 5 of flower and I've been pinching and twisting the main stems to try and keep the height down. Anyways here's pics...

 

[Pheno Phreak]

NorCalRx,

Your setup is looking nice, but I see you are already having issues with the limited height? Looks like you flowered very soon which is the first thing I would reccomend, but have you ever considered redesigning a little? You have lots of valuable vertical space that could be used....just by placing things here and there. I have a few ideas if you would like..

You don't happen to know a NorCalRasta do you? missed him from OG, handle changes ect...miss his macro's most



Sumo,

Either you will keep it or sell it. If you do sell some, sell to a friend who you smoke with. Make up a good story how you are getting or have gotten this good shit, and you can hook him up this time. If you keep it just smoke it to the dome and have a good time with it. Are you up to date with your local laws? The tipping point for having "too much" (around here "too much herb" is an oxymoron haha) should be a quite large amount. Either way do what feels safest....

Duh, it has just come to me! Make some hash brother, that way it will still be your herb to keep....just potent as fuck! This way it will weigh much much much less that the buds themselves, but its still just thc...ever since my bubble bags I have been in this constant daze. (until it runs out) Your 73u will be delicious on a nice bowl with some herb, by itself, or in a batch of brownies/cookies/oatmeal. I usually don't reccomend making hash with buds themselves because the trim is quite sufficent, but in your situation I think its a good option.

Nevermind,

How ever did you find your way out of the Lounge? and didn't you just start growing like a few months ago? And plz tell us some stories about how you take all these private planes and ball out and ish. Sorry for the rant, I just don't like this guy at all.....lol

I remember him from OG, didn't like him.
Remember his first name here, didn't like him.
Thought I forgot about him, didn't want to remember him.
Remembered I still don't like him! Priceless...

Some new pics soon, upgraded the garden Sumo...had to start over from seed.

 

[rastamonunika]

Hello lovelies! ive been intrigued by these mill's pride cabinets for quite some time, and now im building one! Well, in the process of gathering supplies =)

Anyhow, i want to use hydro for increased yield, but i want it tobe incredibly low maintenance, and organic. . . I want to use bio-buckets but to be honest they confuse me a bit. . . i understand its a living system and the ph cna fluctuate, but it still confuses me a bit. . . Recircultating DWC seemed like the next best option, but i really dont want to replace the res water if possible, id much rather top it off. .

if that only leaves me with BB, then help would be appreciated in explaining them a bit. . . and if anyytone has experienec putting them in a cab that would be wonderful .. .

my main reason for switching to the cabinet design os stealth, so i do not want to have an external res. . . Id like to do 2 plants in 5 gallon buckets and possibly scrog. . . id love to do 2 contrasting strains if possible as well . . .

equipment:
c24 (whatever the big one is =P )
digital 400w mh/hps switchable
6" vortex
carbon scrubber + vtek4000

thats the important stuff, i believe. My real problem is switching to hydro and moreover placing all that nonsense into a small space =P

anyway, thanks for any input

lots of Love and Light

unika

 

[Pheno Phreak]

Anyhow, i want to use hydro for increased yield, but i want it tobe incredibly low maintenance, and organic. . .

Hydro is very fun, and can be interesting in a cab! For organics I reccomend the PBP nutes, but I would add a few things that aren't organic. In hydro organics are not that big of a deal, unless you are ferting the hell out of them with chems....but even with chems you can harvest very good herb. This is a classic debate, but in hydro as long as you watch what you give them (and look at their response) you will be ok. The ladies will tell you what they need or don't need....you just have to watch. In hydro they will not give notice, but rather they will show signs fast.

I want to use bio-buckets but to be honest they confuse me a bit. . . i understand its a living system and the ph cna fluctuate, but it still confuses me a bit. . .

What don't you understand? Basically a bubbling bucket is just water/nutes bubbling with help from an airstone (connected to an air pump). The only maintenence needed is to change the ferts every week, or sooner depending on how thirsty the girls are....and make sure your airstone isnt getting clogged. You are correct about the ph fluctuating, and that is the biggest part. In hydro when you let your ph get outta wack...you are fucked most of the time. Keep your eye on the ph, and keep it where it needs to be. Its best to check every day, but some can get away with checking every few days. When dealing with organics your ph will fluctuate much easier, especially if you are using RO water. Also if you use some sort of beneficial bacteria (ex, hydroguard) then it will have a tendency to fluctuate more.

To make a bubbling bucket all you have to do is buy a bucket with a lid. Cut a hole in the top to set a net pot inside. Fill the net pot with w/e medium you wish (ex, hydroton). Black out the bucket (optional, but recomended). Drill a hole for the airline. Connect airstone to airline...plop it in the bottom...attach line to air pump. Add nutes and clones! Or if you are going from seed.....you know.

Recircultating DWC seemed like the next best option, but i really dont want to replace the res water if possible, id much rather top it off. .

Recirc DWC is a waste in a cab, because the only benefit is having the res. That only becomes beneficial when dealing with large amounts of buckets. With just a few....you can fill up a few 5 gal buckets and just top off. Put a water pump in the 5 gal you are mixing the new nutes in...and then just fill up the buckets in the cab with some 3/4 inch line comming off the water pump. Attach it to a timer so you can manually stop it so you don't splash water everywhere. And remember the laws of gravity....even if the timer is off....water can still siphon out if the hose is laying on the ground. haha

if that only leaves me with BB, then help would be appreciated in explaining them a bit. . . and if anyytone has experienec putting them in a cab that would be wonderful .. .

If you are doind bubbling buckets I suggest running as many in the cab as possible. It will be hard finding buckets that will fit....but look into square buckets. The round ones will take up too much space and leave unused space. Check the outer diameters, that is the imporntant figure. You may even have to buy something just for the container.....

my main reason for switching to the cabinet design os stealth,

Stealth is most common among cab growers, but I see further down you have a 6 inch vortex....I would get a speed controller for that sucka. Also design your cab carefully....I would try to fit as much in the cab as possible. Reflector, scrubber, ballast, fan, ect....

equipment:
c24 (whatever the big one is =P )
digital 400w mh/hps switchable
6" vortex
carbon scrubber + vtek4000

sounds like you went all out! good for you. I recomend building your own scrubber though....this way you can make it fit inside your cab, and it will help keep it more stealth.

thats the important stuff, i believe. My real problem is switching to hydro and moreover placing all that nonsense into a small space =P

anyway, thanks for any input

lots of Love and Light

unika

You are right, the space constraint is the biggest challenge. I can not stress enough how imporntant planning equipment placement in the cab is. Once you cut a hole, its there. You don't want to be in week 3 of flowering and run out of room....but aren't able to do anything cuz your cab isn't planned to accomidate it.

Good Luck! if you have any more questions just ask.....this may not make sense..I have been in a cloud of smoke for the last hour or so.

Also have you ever considered a flood and drain system? This way you can have a larger variety....especially if you find a custom fit tray. (not nescesarily custom made, but one that fits as snug as possible.)

 

[NorCalRx]

Hey Pheno,

Yes I am definetly interested in increasing my vertical clearance that would make life easier. What did you have in mind?