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the Mexican Landraces Thread
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Hola Pineapple Punch,
I can't help myself, I grow what I like to smoke. Copalita Oaxacan - 4 is shorter flowering than the Highland Gold phenotypes if Punto Rojo and ColJam I'm growing.
Copalita Oaxacan - 1 flowers 15 - 16 weeks. There are phenotypes in Copalita oaxacan that are probably 12 - 14 weeks.
The Mexican Talaiban (Drug Lords) began hybridizing Mexican varieties fairly early, but there are Mexican varieties that are similar to Haze. Hopefully, this is one of them. Gold Hazes are my favorite. Copalita Oaxacan is P1 landrace, so if you select for long NLD flowering you'll get Haze characteristics, long flowering and if you select for WLD/NLD you'll get hybrid characteristics - shorter flowering and better flowering structure.
I can't help myself, I grow what I like to smoke. Copalita Oaxacan - 4 is shorter flowering than the Highland Gold phenotypes if Punto Rojo and ColJam I'm growing.
Copalita Oaxacan - 1 flowers 15 - 16 weeks. There are phenotypes in Copalita oaxacan that are probably 12 - 14 weeks.
The Mexican Talaiban (Drug Lords) began hybridizing Mexican varieties fairly early, but there are Mexican varieties that are similar to Haze. Hopefully, this is one of them. Gold Hazes are my favorite. Copalita Oaxacan is P1 landrace, so if you select for long NLD flowering you'll get Haze characteristics, long flowering and if you select for WLD/NLD you'll get hybrid characteristics - shorter flowering and better flowering structure.
Hola Satva, nice informations! Maybe you can remember that im also holding those Copalita Seeds, but i have a bit fear to growing them.
At first i need a good amount of Weed to have something to smoke while growing them out, but for preservation i think it is not needed to grow the completely to End. Don't wanna loose this line, even if it's very wild and unworked. So yeah nice to see that you found good Plants in this line. How many Seeds you had of them to start?
Hola Pineapple Punch,
I grew Copalita Oaxacan three times from seed alongside clones of selected Copalita females. I selected three plants to flower from 6-8 seeds. in my current Colombian Gold grow, i selected 7 plants to flowers from ~ 40 seedlings. The 7 plants show the full range of gold / light green phenotypes from Punto Rojo and ColJam, plus an Old Timers Haze - gold phenotype.
The first two runs were to select three NLD females in each run. I selected for NLD and culled NLD/WLD phenotype. The third run was all the selected females from clones alongside seed plants to select stable sex male. No stable sex NLD males were found. All the males I've seen were hermies, starting flowering with white pistils and male stamina. I used 24 seeds and have about 11 more Copalita Oaxacan seeds and have hundreds of seeds from Copalita Oaxacan crosses with these males:
Punto Rojo,
ColJam, - 1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread BX 1980 Colombian Gold
1973 Highland Mexican x Blueberry
Haze x Skunk #1
Destroyer x (1973 Highland Mexican x Blueberry)
I'll cross Copalita Oaxacan x Punto Rojo female to cross any males I select from my current Highland Colombian grow of:
Punto Rojo P2/P3,
ColJam f2,
Punto Rojo x ColJam
Old Timer's Haze
When I grow out the remaining Copalita Oaxacan seeds, I'll run the Copalita crosses to select males, Copalita Oaxacan BX Copalita Oaxacan cross.
I'm harvesting a Mexican and a Colombian phenotype of Copalita Oaxacan x Coljam. The cross has much better flowering structure and resin production than the Copalita Oaxacan -P1 landrace from seed.
[Copalita Oaxacan - 1 x Coljam] - (Colombian Gold dominate)
I grew Copalita Oaxacan three times from seed alongside clones of selected Copalita females. I selected three plants to flower from 6-8 seeds. in my current Colombian Gold grow, i selected 7 plants to flowers from ~ 40 seedlings. The 7 plants show the full range of gold / light green phenotypes from Punto Rojo and ColJam, plus an Old Timers Haze - gold phenotype.
The first two runs were to select three NLD females in each run. I selected for NLD and culled NLD/WLD phenotype. The third run was all the selected females from clones alongside seed plants to select stable sex male. No stable sex NLD males were found. All the males I've seen were hermies, starting flowering with white pistils and male stamina. I used 24 seeds and have about 11 more Copalita Oaxacan seeds and have hundreds of seeds from Copalita Oaxacan crosses with these males:
Punto Rojo,
ColJam, - 1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread BX 1980 Colombian Gold
1973 Highland Mexican x Blueberry
Haze x Skunk #1
Destroyer x (1973 Highland Mexican x Blueberry)
I'll cross Copalita Oaxacan x Punto Rojo female to cross any males I select from my current Highland Colombian grow of:
Punto Rojo P2/P3,
ColJam f2,
Punto Rojo x ColJam
Old Timer's Haze
When I grow out the remaining Copalita Oaxacan seeds, I'll run the Copalita crosses to select males, Copalita Oaxacan BX Copalita Oaxacan cross.
I'm harvesting a Mexican and a Colombian phenotype of Copalita Oaxacan x Coljam. The cross has much better flowering structure and resin production than the Copalita Oaxacan -P1 landrace from seed.
[Copalita Oaxacan - 1 x Coljam] - (Colombian Gold dominate)
Oh sad to hear that you didn't found a stable male, but at least you have a few nice Girls to work with.
You have a very nice list of strains you growing, also your own crosses sounds very interesting. Do you plan to Grow USC Colombian Gold 1972?
Hello Pineapple Punch,
Oh sad to hear that you didn't found a stable male, but at least you have a few nice Girls to work with. Many P1 landraces have problems with intersex traits, especially NLD P1 landraces with Thailand genetics. Copalita Oaxacan as a P1 / P2 does not have enough resin coverage to be in the same league as the Highland Colombians that have been worked for a few generations.
Landrace crossed such as Pelo Rosa and ColJam both + P3 / F3 are much easier to work with and both have much better resin coverage than Copalita Oaxacan. ColJam has wispy flowers, so Copalita improves the flowering structure.
Highland Oaxacan Gold is the prize, something like Chimera's 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry would overpower the high of a Highland Oaxacan Gold. Charlie Garicia noted the high from Oaxacan 1979 was not as strong as the Colombians, and that's the way I experienced it in the 1970's, yesterday and today. Copalita makes a nice smoking blend with Punto Rojo and ColJam.
Highland Oaxacan Gold has a warm, clear, calm, trippy high that is grounded and increases sensory awareness. Highland Colombian high has more energy, and more intensity in the high. ColJam is cool, clear, blissful, trippy and other worldly. ColJam high is intense, so Copalita should ground the ColJam high and add some warmth.
Charlie Garcia didn't find a stable sex male from Punto Rojo, someone else did. Charlie advised leaving the Punto Rojo male to flower to exhaustion to confirm it was stable sex, until the end.
I'm growing the Punto Rojo P3/F3 progeny and ColJam P3/F3 and they all look good. I'm growing gold phenotypes P3/F2 from Punto Rojo, ColJam, Copalita Oaxacan P1x Punto Rojo P2/F2, Punto Rojo P2 x ColJam F3, and Old Timers Haze F2. It's much easier working P3 / P4 Landrace varieites than developing a P1 Landrace.
Copalita Oaxacan x ColJam at harvest, has considerably better flowering structure and resin coverage than the Copalita Oaxacan mother. I'm happy with this cross. I always wondered why no one has offered seeds of the Oaxacan 1979. Perhaps there was a promise not to profit from seeds of the Oaxacan 1979 in pure form.
Do you plan to Grow USC Colombian Gold 1972?
No, I grew the 1972 Colombian Gold x C99. I only had 5 old seeds and the female hermied, but the males were stable.
I used a trippy Punto Rojo - gold phenotype:
[Punto Rojo x (1972 Colombian Gold x C99].
I have a gold phenotype of Punto Rojo, and three phenotypes of ColJam, ready for 12/12 and for comparison of the high a green phenotype of Punto Rojo that should be more euphoric than the golds. (Punto Rojo - gold) and (Punto Rojo - green) are my two favorite high, and what I've smoked for the past year.
The C99 did not tame the 1972 Colombian at all. The 1972 Colombian Gold x C99 was the wildest plant I've grown, except perhaps the 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread phenotypes of ColJam. If you can isolate the 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread phenotype. The pheno that ThaiBliss has and grew 3 males and no females. That's the Lambsbread that's very wild. The Jamaican Lambsbread that Mustafunk is growing has growth structure similar to Colombian.
I'd love to find seeds of the 1974 Maui Wowie (thru New York City). Mr. Greengenes started Cherry Bomb with a 1975-1976 Maui Wowie (thru New York City). The Mexican variety used in Maui Wowie was one of the best.
Oh sad to hear that you didn't found a stable male, but at least you have a few nice Girls to work with. Many P1 landraces have problems with intersex traits, especially NLD P1 landraces with Thailand genetics. Copalita Oaxacan as a P1 / P2 does not have enough resin coverage to be in the same league as the Highland Colombians that have been worked for a few generations.
Landrace crossed such as Pelo Rosa and ColJam both + P3 / F3 are much easier to work with and both have much better resin coverage than Copalita Oaxacan. ColJam has wispy flowers, so Copalita improves the flowering structure.
Highland Oaxacan Gold is the prize, something like Chimera's 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry would overpower the high of a Highland Oaxacan Gold. Charlie Garicia noted the high from Oaxacan 1979 was not as strong as the Colombians, and that's the way I experienced it in the 1970's, yesterday and today. Copalita makes a nice smoking blend with Punto Rojo and ColJam.
Highland Oaxacan Gold has a warm, clear, calm, trippy high that is grounded and increases sensory awareness. Highland Colombian high has more energy, and more intensity in the high. ColJam is cool, clear, blissful, trippy and other worldly. ColJam high is intense, so Copalita should ground the ColJam high and add some warmth.
Charlie Garcia didn't find a stable sex male from Punto Rojo, someone else did. Charlie advised leaving the Punto Rojo male to flower to exhaustion to confirm it was stable sex, until the end.
I'm growing the Punto Rojo P3/F3 progeny and ColJam P3/F3 and they all look good. I'm growing gold phenotypes P3/F2 from Punto Rojo, ColJam, Copalita Oaxacan P1x Punto Rojo P2/F2, Punto Rojo P2 x ColJam F3, and Old Timers Haze F2. It's much easier working P3 / P4 Landrace varieites than developing a P1 Landrace.
Copalita Oaxacan x ColJam at harvest, has considerably better flowering structure and resin coverage than the Copalita Oaxacan mother. I'm happy with this cross. I always wondered why no one has offered seeds of the Oaxacan 1979. Perhaps there was a promise not to profit from seeds of the Oaxacan 1979 in pure form.
Do you plan to Grow USC Colombian Gold 1972?
No, I grew the 1972 Colombian Gold x C99. I only had 5 old seeds and the female hermied, but the males were stable.
I used a trippy Punto Rojo - gold phenotype:
[Punto Rojo x (1972 Colombian Gold x C99].
I have a gold phenotype of Punto Rojo, and three phenotypes of ColJam, ready for 12/12 and for comparison of the high a green phenotype of Punto Rojo that should be more euphoric than the golds. (Punto Rojo - gold) and (Punto Rojo - green) are my two favorite high, and what I've smoked for the past year.
The C99 did not tame the 1972 Colombian at all. The 1972 Colombian Gold x C99 was the wildest plant I've grown, except perhaps the 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread phenotypes of ColJam. If you can isolate the 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread phenotype. The pheno that ThaiBliss has and grew 3 males and no females. That's the Lambsbread that's very wild. The Jamaican Lambsbread that Mustafunk is growing has growth structure similar to Colombian.
I'd love to find seeds of the 1974 Maui Wowie (thru New York City). Mr. Greengenes started Cherry Bomb with a 1975-1976 Maui Wowie (thru New York City). The Mexican variety used in Maui Wowie was one of the best.
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^^ Always fun to read your posts satva. Wondering why you will not be running the 72 CG again? Too wild and hermie? I was thinking that was the best CG, early 70's. I am used to breaking and bending the sativas in my little tent, I can make any of them 18" tall. They will be going sideways quite a lot. White LED's right on top of them help too. Hermies do not scare me either.
Hoping for Charlie to release the Oaxacan soon. I do not need that much potency anyways. Sounds like it has everything else you could want. As you said, one could always mix it with more intense strains.
White LED's right on top of them help too. Hermies do not scare me either.Hoping for Charlie to release the Oaxacan soon. I do not need that much potency anyways. Sounds like it has everything else you could want. As you said, one could always mix it with more intense strains.
Wondering why you will not be running the 72 CG again? Too wild and hermie?
I have several Highland Colombian phenotypes I'm selecting from. Cannabiogen collected Punto Rojo from the Northern mountains and Central Mountains, so there are golds in Punto Rojo with a growth and leaf structure similar to the Colombian Gold phenotyes of CoJam. There is plenty of diversity in P1/P2 landraces like Punto Rojo, Mangobiche and Copalita Oaxacan.
Yes, too wild and hermie for indoors. Plus a few generations of selections to P3 is a sweet spot for landraces. If they are too wild, they may not flower or develop resin properly indoors. It makes life easier when somebody like Charlie Garica is selecting P1 > P2 > P3.
I haven't grown 1972 Colombian Gold and I didn't flower a 1972 Colombian Gold x C99 female, so no comment on the high. I'm not sure if 1972 CG x C99 cross used the same 1972 CG as Underground Seeds.
I'm currently growing gold phenotypes in Punto Rojo, ColJam, Copalita Oaxacan, and Old Timer's Haze. If I don't find a "Gold Colombian / Haze" keeper in those three. I'll grow my cross [Punto Rojo x (CG x C99)]. I don't see a need to introduce another P1 landrace like 1972 Colombian Gold into that mix.
My next landrace grow will be Mangobiche, Punto Rojo - 3 and Copalita Oaxacan looking for a euphoric, feel good high, with good flowering structure and resin coverage. The shorter flowering Highland Colombians have a softer, warmer high that's less intense than the Highland Golds. There's a few grows of Mangobiche with similar growth, coloring and leaves to what I call Punto Rojo-3. Green Mango / mango aromas are common in Colombians.
In general on landraces, as the flowering structure, resin production, ease of growing, and flowering duration improve the high becomes less trippy and intense.
I have several Highland Colombian phenotypes I'm selecting from. Cannabiogen collected Punto Rojo from the Northern mountains and Central Mountains, so there are golds in Punto Rojo with a growth and leaf structure similar to the Colombian Gold phenotyes of CoJam. There is plenty of diversity in P1/P2 landraces like Punto Rojo, Mangobiche and Copalita Oaxacan.
Yes, too wild and hermie for indoors. Plus a few generations of selections to P3 is a sweet spot for landraces. If they are too wild, they may not flower or develop resin properly indoors. It makes life easier when somebody like Charlie Garica is selecting P1 > P2 > P3.
I haven't grown 1972 Colombian Gold and I didn't flower a 1972 Colombian Gold x C99 female, so no comment on the high. I'm not sure if 1972 CG x C99 cross used the same 1972 CG as Underground Seeds.
I'm currently growing gold phenotypes in Punto Rojo, ColJam, Copalita Oaxacan, and Old Timer's Haze. If I don't find a "Gold Colombian / Haze" keeper in those three. I'll grow my cross [Punto Rojo x (CG x C99)]. I don't see a need to introduce another P1 landrace like 1972 Colombian Gold into that mix.
My next landrace grow will be Mangobiche, Punto Rojo - 3 and Copalita Oaxacan looking for a euphoric, feel good high, with good flowering structure and resin coverage. The shorter flowering Highland Colombians have a softer, warmer high that's less intense than the Highland Golds. There's a few grows of Mangobiche with similar growth, coloring and leaves to what I call Punto Rojo-3. Green Mango / mango aromas are common in Colombians.
In general on landraces, as the flowering structure, resin production, ease of growing, and flowering duration improve the high becomes less trippy and intense.
Wow Satva, you hammering on your Keyboard!
It would need Hours for me to give you a adequate answer in English on this long text, so i hope you're not mad to me for my short answer. Im enjoying all your informations, very good for people who want to Grow those exotic Plants! Nice work!
It would need Hours for me to give you a adequate answer in English on this long text, so i hope you're not mad to me for my short answer. Im enjoying all your informations, very good for people who want to Grow those exotic Plants! Nice work!
Guten morgen, I have much respect for people that post in English, when its not their native language. I live in Colorado, and have aspirations to learn the language of our North American and South American neighbors.
We are traveling for a few weeks in South Florida (near Little Havana) and then Cuba. The Misses knows Spanish well enough to converse and get things done.
Next year we plan on vacationing in Peru, where understanding Spanish will be helpful.
We are traveling for a few weeks in South Florida (near Little Havana) and then Cuba. The Misses knows Spanish well enough to converse and get things done.
Next year we plan on vacationing in Peru, where understanding Spanish will be helpful.
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Does anyone happen to have any info on this one? Have been looking for a good mexican and am very fond of that town. Has it been bred into anything? I think my chances of finding it in pure form are very slim, but the Google has revealed very little info.
Old names like Zihuatanejo don't mean much anymore. I'd try and identify the growth characteristics of Zijuatanejo Purple and look for the same growth characteristics in other varieties. Here's my Zijuantanejo rant.
Maroon varieties like Zacatecas Purple often have a spiritual high. Nothing wrong with that! In Big Sur Holy Weed the Holy part comes from a Purple Mexican sativa like Zacatecas Purple or maybe Zihuatanejo Purple. The Highland Mexican Purples could be kissing cousins of the Highland Colombian Purples, Colombian Mangobiche, Purple phenotypes in Old Timer's Haze, or even Panama Red.
Big Sur Holy Weed = [Zacatecas Purple x Afganistan]
Maroon cannabis pictures from others, and an excerpt from a Snowhigh post at Cannabiogen Club
Zihuatanejo Purple, perhaps photoshopped a bit. (not by me)
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
excerpt from a Snowhigh post
"I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet."
Maroon varieties like Zacatecas Purple often have a spiritual high. Nothing wrong with that! In Big Sur Holy Weed the Holy part comes from a Purple Mexican sativa like Zacatecas Purple or maybe Zihuatanejo Purple. The Highland Mexican Purples could be kissing cousins of the Highland Colombian Purples, Colombian Mangobiche, Purple phenotypes in Old Timer's Haze, or even Panama Red.
Big Sur Holy Weed = [Zacatecas Purple x Afganistan]
Maroon cannabis pictures from others, and an excerpt from a Snowhigh post at Cannabiogen Club
Zihuatanejo Purple, perhaps photoshopped a bit. (not by me)
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
excerpt from a Snowhigh post
"I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet."
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Esta otra la sembré en Agosto y ya está floreciendo, esta variedad está desplazando a todas las variedades y es la que más cultiva el narco en México actualmente, la verdad no se que variedad sea pero la cultive porque tengo muchas semillas de ella 
y ya tengo casi un año sin fumar gracias a los municipales 
Un gran saludo desde el Golfo de México 
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