the Mexican Landraces Thread

[charlie garcia]

Update on the fast-fat one
No idea of dates, could be 6-7 weeks.. or so
best
kaiki

 

[Bob Green]

:yay: :

Bonita Charlie!

 

[mexicani-ar]

Update on the fast-fat one
No idea of dates, could be 6-7 weeks.. or so
best
kaiki
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Pues mira nomas estas hermosas flores hermano, ya se me antojo fumarla,

 

[charlie garcia]

hay que echarle paciencia, aun se las ve que quieren seguir un poco la fiesta

 

[DoDad]

I used to live in Texas. I lived there for 40 years. I have smoked many Mexican brick strains. How are these landraces different from from the strains I have smoked for decades?

 

[Lesnah]

I'm waiting for Eskobar to release the "Michoacan Sativa" he's been working on for a long time.

Supposedly the most Sativa-like specimen he's noticed from Tiburon's seeds.

 

[misterD]

Hey lesnah, sorry for breaking your mood! But i read recently than michoacan project was repulsed a bit

 

[purpthumb]

Update on the fast-fat one
No idea of dates, could be 6-7 weeks.. or so
best
kaiki
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Beauty

 

[ahortator]

This is Antonio Escohotado's experience. He is a Spanish phylospher and writer. He writes a lot of stuff about drugs.

Two decades after I had been smoking almost daily some weed, in 1986 I was given one marihuana from Sinaloa (Mexico) with such power that within a few days (in a clear act of cowardice) I ended up throwing the rest. I should have been ready for a few puffs of a cigarette as peyote or LSD experience. Again and again it seemed absurd, but again and again caught me off guard big psychic excursions. The thing was even more strange considering that during that same trip to Mexico I tried marihuanas considered excellent, with all justice, without even touching the thresholds that other transposed using minimum quantities.


Cuando llevaba ya dos décadas fumando prácticamente a diario algo de cáñamo, en 1986 me regalaron una marihuana de Sinaloa (México) de tal potencia que al cabo de pocos días (en un acto de clara cobardía) acabé tirando el resto. Habría debido prepararme para unas pocas chupadas de cigarrillo como para una experiencia de peyote o LSD. Una y otra vez eso me parecía absurdo, pero una y otra vez me cogían desprevenido grandes excursiones psíquicas. La cosa resultaba todavía más extraña teniendo en cuenta que durante ese mismo viaje a México probé marihuanas consideradas -con toda justicia- excelentes, sin rozar siquiera los umbrales que aquella otra trasponía usando cantidades mínimas.

http://www.escohotado.com/articulosdirectos/marihuana.htm

I cannot imagine that a farmer growing that stuff switch to Skunk, Widow or indicas, because they are best sellers. I cannot imagine too that customers prefer newly developed hybrids instead that old school powerful strains.

If that stuff is still grown in Sinaloa, grab the seeds. And don't throw it to the trash, like Antonio Escohotado did

Greetings

 

[Jhhnn]

This is Antonio Escohotado's experience. He is a Spanish phylospher and writer. He writes a lot of stuff about drugs.



I cannot imagine that a farmer growing that stuff switch to Skunk, Widow or indicas, because they are best sellers. I cannot imagine too that customers prefer newly developed hybrids instead that old school powerful strains.

If that stuff is still grown in Sinaloa, grab the seeds. And don't throw it to the trash, like Antonio Escohotado did

Greetings

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Mexican growers way back in the hills are poor people by our standards. They've depended on cannabis as a cash crop for a long time. They have to be practical & forward looking for the sake of their families, so when shorter flowering higher yielding varieties became available, that's what they chose to grow. The pressures of the drug war & the whims of the market made it their best choice. Obviously, some of the old strains survive & remain undiscovered by Yanqui & European breeders.

Way back in the late 60's & early 70's when smugglers were Yanquis & the Mexican countryside was a lot safer well connected people would receive an occasional batch of extreme power & clarity, electrifying flip out weed, easily overtoked because of its creeper nature.

Escohotado? He's right. I remember that weed. Wish I had some.

 

[ahortator]

Hi

I understand that Mexican farmers are poor people, and they grow to get cash. But I don't understand why the customers seem to prefer a product that is of lower quality.

On the other side if the farmer is a smoker too, and perhaps a connoiseur, he would keep and grow some high quality strains for himself, his relatives and friends.

Here we only get Moroccan soap bar. I don't like the quality of the hash so I don't buy it. So I get lost in the part that the long flowering sativas flipped to indicas, Skunk and other hybrids and the buyers didn't reject the product. Not only they don't reject it. It is sold even much better!

Greetings.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hi

I understand that Mexican farmers are poor people, and they grow to get cash. But I don't understand why the customers seem to prefer a product that is of lower quality.

On the other side if the farmer is a smoker too, and perhaps a connoiseur, he would keep and grow some high quality strains for himself, his relatives and friends.

Here we only get Moroccan soap bar. I don't like the quality of the hash so I don't buy it. So I get lost in the part that the long flowering sativas flipped to indicas, Skunk and other hybrids and the buyers didn't reject the product. Not only they don't reject it. It is sold even much better!

Greetings.

The really high end Mexican stuff has always been the exception to the rule in the US, basically available only to those higher on the distribution chain which was very diffuse way back when. It wasn't a few cartels but literally hundreds of smaller smuggler crews 45 years ago, both anglo & hispanic. The competition was generally friendly rather than murderous, distribution chains quite short here in the West, close to Mexico.

As the drug war took its toll in Mexico & Colombian production ramped up everything changed, changed into the cocaine plague of the 80's, then changed again when West Coast growers got into the game & cartels took over in Mexico.

The West Coast stuff was different & better than the vast majority of imports & fetched a premium price so Mexican growers emulated that. They still do. It probably raised the average quality of imported Mexican weed. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of what's sold as West Coast outdoor in midwestern & eastern markets isn't really from Mexico, likely some of the concentrates as well.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I've been smoking for 46 years, and this is what I have noticed. Remember that these are broad generalizations applied to the overall scene, and don't necessarily apply to pockets of isolated situations:

Mexican was great quality until it became popular, lot's of newbie growers wanted to cash in, and the authorities got wind of it. It went to crap. Then Colombia and Jamaica were discovered as a high quality sources, newbie growers wanted to cash in, authorities got wind of it, and it went to crap. Early dedicated California growers from the 60s and 70s grew weed that was as good as the high quality imports, newbie growers wanted to cash in, the authorities got wind of it, and now it is crap, compared to what was going on in the 70s. It is the same story everywhere when dollars become the highest priority, and dodging the authorities is involved. I have witnessed the cycles many times over. You can add many other countries and regions to the list to the point that it is a world wide problem. Average growing skill levels have gone down, and high quality genetics are disappearing rapidly.

It can take a lifetime of growing to get really good at it. I mean no offence to all of us growers here that are doing their best to become better. I know I am still learning things, one of them being that it can take many years of growing just to really know a particular strain. Most people move on to the next strain or cross before fully understanding what they have. I am as guilty as anyone. It is too tempting and easy to access the greener looking grass on the other side of the fence. Thankfully, I have met enough dedicated members of ICMAG who understand the situation and are making efforts to preserve valuable genetics that I have at least some hope that we can pass something valuable on to the next generation.

Speaking of which, many thanks to Elchischas for starting this thread.




ThaiBliss

 

[#1cheesebuds]

OK so here is some bagseed buds thar I think r Mexican strain but not sure. soon to be harvested.
I do wish the buds could have gotten bigger but still very appreciative for the buds Ill get off her. plus I plan on revegetating her anyway.

 

[joe2]

man I like those colors in those flowers

 

[idiit]

seeds from delicatessen primera dama fem s1 thru a swap buddy:

what looks to be purple frosty first true leaves are indeed purple and very frosty. I've never had a pheno like this ( right off the start ) .

his description of the seed stock:

"I was trying to acquire "First Lady" which is from Robert C. Clarke in regular form but Bellandi sent me fems. First Lady is an Old Mexican line....looks like something out of Sonora/Sinaloa or northern Mexico cuz it flowers quickly and has some limey indica traits like Tashkenti/uzbeki plants. all the beans he sent me for testing are fems to ensure I wouldn't procreate my own lineage I'm sure lol"

edited to add:

MJ Botany ~ Robert Connell Clarke


Quote:
Strains from Michoacan, Guerrero, and Oaxaca were the most common and a few comments may be ventured about each and about Mexican strains in general.

Mexican strains are thought of as tall, upright plants of moderate to large size with light to dark green, large leaves. The leaves are made up of long, medium width, moderately serrated leaflets arranged in a circular array. The plants mature relatively early in comparison to strains from Colombia or Thailand and produce many long floral clusters with a high calyx-to-leaf ratio and highly cerebral psychoactivity. Michoacan strains tend to have very slender leaves and a very high calyx-to-leaf ratio as do Guerreran strains, but Oaxacan strains tend to be broader-leafed, often with leafier floral clusters. Oaxacan strains are generally the largest and grow vigorously, while Michoacan strains are smaller and more delicate. Guerreran strains are often short and develop long, upright lower limbs. Seeds from most Mexican strains are fairly large, ovoid, and slightly flattened with a light colored grey or brown, unmottled perianth. Smaller, darker, more mottled seeds have appeared in Mexican marijuana during recent years. This may indicate that hybridization is taking place in Mexico, possibly with introduced seed from the largest seed source in the world, Colombia. No commercial seeded Cannabis crops are free from hybridization and great variation may occur in the offspring. More recently, large amounts of hybrid domestic seed have been introduced into Mexico. It is not uncommon to find Thai and Afghani phenotypes in recent shipments of Cannabis from Mexico.

 

[idiit]

^ my eskobar fem oaxacan ibl


below is the breeders pic.

^

That is the pure Oaxacan in female seeds. Laughing gas.

 

[idiit]

^ vermontman's male oaxacan heirloom (actually a bx iirc) to be used in eskobar oaxacan fem and r.c. clarkes fem Mexican bx projects.

vermontman has maintained a oaxacan line since the '70's iirc. he has the original line pure and has done a bx for gentetic diversity. he is currently working on a purple ibl oaxacan project and a gold ibl oaxacan project.

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Very pretty lil plant

 

[SpaceBros.]

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^ vermontman's male oaxacan heirloom (actually a bx iirc) to be used in eskobar oaxacan fem and r.c. clarkes fem Mexican bx projects.

vermontman has maintained a oaxacan line since the '70's iirc. he has the original line pure and has done a bx for gentetic diversity. he is currently working on a purple ibl oaxacan project and a gold ibl oaxacan project.

Any vertmontman testers or packs for sale yet? Would love some pure Oaxacan seeds especially Highland gold.