The Lounge : Growers Round Table Discussion Thread

[jidoka]

Those look nice

 

[ledo]

Those look nice

thanks and while I'm at - about 20Gallons of fresh pickled & hot sauces, 1/2G and Quart jars all the way back, most of this fridge and another will fill up by end of summer only to be cleaned out by Spring

 

[ledo]

Eggplant leaf - less than 8 week old plant

Eggplant leaf - less than 8 week old plant

Perhaps this will spark the imagination what I can do with other, more favorite plants

 

[ledo]

Eggplant leaf - less than 10 week old plant

Eggplant leaf - less than 10 week old plant

.............

 

[paradoxlost]

even if you used clones this would occur, there are so many variables beyond even our imaginations at play and that one little head start plant 9ft got, for whatever reason over plant 4ft created an unfair advantage and the rest is history, 9ft took over sun, water rights, nute rights and so on, anyone growing for even a few years any type of plants knows this happens, always


here's a good example of what I'm saying above, Garlic I just pulled yesterday, look at the differences in size for example among identical varieties, cloves pulled from the same head of garlic and planted etc, genetics & environment always tossing curveballs


https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=76046&pictureid=1870427View Image

I mean, yea that definitely happens, but idk. It seems like in the "stabilized" varieties that we have I still feel like we have a clear 2 or 3 phenotypes within, as far as growth structure, leaf structure, etc. So if there are phenotypes that express different morphologies why wouldn't a different phenotype affect nutrient uptake, etc. You know.

 

[ledo]

I mean, yea that definitely happens, but idk. It seems like in the "stabilized" varieties that we have I still feel like we have a clear 2 or 3 phenotypes within, as far as growth structure, leaf structure, etc. So if there are phenotypes that express different morphologies why wouldn't a different phenotype affect nutrient uptake, etc. You know.

you have bad genetics or not stabilized, clearly then. My Cherokee Purples are always cherokee purples, some take over others though, for whatever many reasons too impossible to know, nor care.



sounds like someone didn't finish their job

 

[paradoxlost]

We're running finola, fedora, futura, Felina, santhica and carmangnola selezianata.


The finola in particular is not stabilized. Also it's hot as shit. We're getting the tests back and they're hitting 3% CBD and 10% the. Not on all of them, actually only on the field for grain. Our CBD spacing has 12% CBD no thc. Might be because the weeds are all taller than it and they're not getting direct sunlight

 

[jidoka]

Hey reppin2c? You ever grow in 50s? If I promise 3 am I gonna regret it? Real numbers.

 

[growingcrazy]

Get seeds proven over time at reasonable prices... ��

Since you popped in...


What kind of populations do you use in your breeding programs? How many seeds did your lines originally come from?

 

[growingcrazy]

some plants not performing, to me, is a genetic flag. I'm in the middle of running 67 acres of hemp on relatively uniform ground as far as soil type. I posted the tests on slow's thread. It's crazy how out of millions of plants you get different phenotypical expression. For instance you get a plant that looks deficient right next to a plant that looks healthy. You'll get a 4 foot plant next to a 9 foot plant.

Regardless of seed type you plan to grow, you need to go through a few years of acclimatization and selection for your climate.



I would hope that the largest pheno-typical population from each hemp strain is the group doing best from those genetics...Select the best out of that "average" population for next years run. Then make selections again for the following year... I'm sure you already know all of this, just getting it into discussion.



As an example, I started onions here on year 1 for seed, collected seed after year two. Those onions from acclimated seed are double that of the same (original and new) seed stock and have 0 issues. This was done with all commodity crops pre-industrial seed production.

 

[ledo]

Regardless of seed type you plan to grow, you need to go through a few years of acclimatization and selection for your climate.



I would hope that the largest pheno-typical population from each hemp strain is the group doing best from those genetics...Select the best out of that "average" population for next years run. Then make selections again for the following year... I'm sure you already know all of this, just getting it into discussion.



As an example, I started onions here on year 1 for seed, collected seed after year two. Those onions from acclimated seed are double that of the same (original and new) seed stock and have 0 issues. This was done with all commodity crops pre-industrial seed production.

so true, very evident in Allium - for example, these were half the size when I got them two years ago, couple selections and even in a drought year for around here, good solid production.... Low N, high P garlic is the best - too bad that doubling doesn't continue , diminishing returns and all



2 days curing in garage

 

[jidoka]

Pure OG triangle x sfv from Cannarado. A local selection

 

[growingcrazy]

so true, very evident in Allium - for example, these were half the size when I got them two years ago, couple selections and even in a drought year for around here, good solid production.... Low N, high P garlic is the best - too bad that doubling doesn't continue , diminishing returns and all

2 days curing in garage

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Your gardens/vegetables look stellar! Congrats man


This year will be year one for garlic. We have multiple local farms to get our stock from, but I still don't trust that any selection is done. If it grows it goes type of mentality...

The doubling is part of the beauty of selection and on to the next. If onions had more traits to hone in on, that is what I would do this season. This years selection focus was on broccoli and habanero for me.

Any good storage methods for eggplant? We have been eating them for about a month and I am almost over it...lol


Jidoka, was the group in the previous photo SFV? I can only imagine what you end up with at the end of the season... Wouldn't life be easier with 1000 of those outside and doing bullshit tasks all day under the sun instead of coco indoors?

 

[jidoka]

One row is chems, og and combos. The other row is narrow leaf. Then I got some jaeger...my favorite plant to grow

On that other deal economics is one cold bitch

 

[ledo]

Your gardens/vegetables look stellar! Congrats man


This year will be year one for garlic. We have multiple local farms to get our stock from, but I still don't trust that any selection is done. If it grows it goes type of mentality...

The doubling is part of the beauty of selection and on to the next. If onions had more traits to hone in on, that is what I would do this season. This years selection focus was on broccoli and habanero for me.

Any good storage methods for eggplant? We have been eating them for about a month and I am almost over it...lol


Jidoka, was the group in the previous photo SFV? I can only imagine what you end up with at the end of the season... Wouldn't life be easier with 1000 of those outside and doing bullshit tasks all day under the sun instead of coco indoors?

Thanks man... btw, if you look above the garlic, you can see the fins from a heat sink from one of the LED's I made hanging in the garage, helps keep the lemons alive in the winter


when I have too much of anything, I take super hots (Ghosts etc), roma tomatoes, eggplant etc (add some garlic, salt, fresh herbs and vinegar and that's it) and just cook it all down in like a 6-8G pot outside on a burner (cut up the veggies some, just slices). Let it simmer all day, 10+ hours, take that and blend down and you have yourself a sauce for years. Fridge, hot water bath, pressure cooker....

I have more hot peppers every year than I know what to do with!

GC, I put up quite a few more pics on another site, garden related.

 

[reppin2c]

Hey reppin2c? You ever grow in 50s? If I promise 3 am I gonna regret it? Real numbers.

No, never 50. 30 and 65s yes. Don't regret a thing bruh. Real numbers...6.47 average of 2-100s with a greenhouse floor November 20th.

Led is doubling up on garlic in 2 years a good thing? In 15 min I can go to the store and buy some garlic on the way to the casino where I can double down or split. Not talking shit but after 2 years it better give me the O face if I'm down wind

 

[ledo]

No, never 50. 30 and 65s yes. Don't regret a thing bruh. Real numbers...6.47 average of 2-100s with a greenhouse floor November 20th.

Led is doubling up on garlic in 2 years a good thing? In 15 min I can go to the store and buy some garlic on the way to the casino where I can double down or split. Not talking shit but after 2 years it better give me the O face if I'm down wind

It's very hard to offend me, no worries really ever.....

to be clear....the size has doubled from the guy I bought it from who's a respected garlic farmer 2 years ago; the count would be exponential if I wanted it to be. There isn't a grocery store within 150 miles of me I know of that sells the kinds of garlic I grow, and if it did/does, it is NOWHERE near the quality, potency etc (I see idiots selling comparable quality as seed garlic for $10/bulb online, ridic but organic garlic of the type I grow easily sells $10/lb all day long to restaurants etc), there's enough there to bend a 1/2" piece of metal conduit about 6-8" in center btw, that's weight / quality friend...,

The lack of availability applies the same for the tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, pears, peaches, apples, lemons, figs and on and on I grow - these options don't exist in the markekt-place, maybe some of it you can find at stands, the quality won't be the same though.

Some of us are purely in the search of quality and not easy or profit

 

[reppin2c]

I see what your saying. And I too can recognize quality but I don't know garlic. However the first year closet grower reading this thread is turning out about the same quality as all the shops within 150 miles of me lol

 

[ledo]

I see what your saying. And I too can recognize quality but I don't know garlic. However the first year closet grower reading this thread is turning out about the same quality as all the shops within 150 miles of me lol

it's crazy.... although, I've seen a LOT of rooms in CO, most leave me wanting for a more,all actually so far, both Commercially (been in plenty over 25K SF, all suck) and privately...

The plant shouldn't matter, if you can grow, you can grow, some are harder than others, I don't care what anyone says, canna is easy compared to a lot of things....

Here's a shot of the garlic, this was a tester I picked about 3-4 weeks ago, immature but - garlic cures, there's a skill to it, much like Canna, see the diff...

I'm posting this clearly for a point. Everything you grow, benefits from a tip toward P & Ca and a tilt away from N and K, that is if you want quality.... But it's a very fine balance, Slow clearly oversimplified things but IMO did a great job but at the same time, he's an agronomist, not a farmer from what I've seen.

Do grocers even sell hard neck varieties , I thought they were all softies? I'm sure when the guy sold me this variety he said red his were - this is not a deficiency, I promise... The whites turn red, the reds maroon, purple, burgundy - them dark colors equate to quality, health and benefits - much like a Black Raspberry vs a Red one, I grow both, the darker the color gets, the more complex, health attributes and so on...... fwiw

 

[paradoxlost]

It's very hard to offend me, no worries really ever.....

to be clear....the size has doubled from the guy I bought it from who's a respected garlic farmer 2 years ago; the count would be exponential if I wanted it to be. There isn't a grocery store within 150 miles of me I know of that sells the kinds of garlic I grow, and if it did/does, it is NOWHERE near the quality, potency etc (I see idiots selling comparable quality as seed garlic for $10/bulb online, ridic but organic garlic of the type I grow easily sells $10/lb all day long to restaurants etc), there's enough there to bend a 1/2" piece of metal conduit about 6-8" in center btw, that's weight / quality friend...,

The lack of availability applies the same for the tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, pears, peaches, apples, lemons, figs and on and on I grow - these options don't exist in the markekt-place, maybe some of it you can find at stands, the quality won't be the same though.

Some of us are purely in the search of quality and not easy or profit

Do you phebo hunt the other species like people.pheno hunt cannabis