*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[tejashidrow]

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Just FYI....."RO" water from machines is not really ro water. It's tap water that is filtered. Big scam. Test it and you will see it has way more PPMs than RO water. At least that is the way it has tested for me whenever I have gotten it. your tap water is O.K. Tap water is actually better than RO, as it has minerals that the plants need anyway. That is, in the case where the water is not high PPMs. Yours is O.K. Tap water works great with coco. I learned not to use RO water, but to use tap water instead. With real RO water, you will most likely need cal/mag.

There are 2 types of pay for water kiosks out.
One just FILTERS (usually with carbon filters) your municipal water,
so though filtered still has what ever your city waters ppm is.
The other uses reverse osmosis.
it's a known fact that drinking pure R/O is not healthy for humans because pure r/o
Has a ppm of "0"
Because they sell it as drinking water, The R/O kiosks ALLWAYS leaves some minerals in their water( approx 40-50 ppm)
However, it is R/O water.
Just READ the posted label on your water kiosks for the info.
Any R/O machine (home or kiosk)can be tuned to let a certain amount of ppms pass by useing a specific filter.
So YES THOSE r/o drinking water kiosks make REAL reverse osmosis
( no scam if one reads the kiosks labeling)
What's the big deal about 50 ppm if it's better than your tap???
And if your tap is over 200 ppm I'd just cut it 50/50 with the r/o
Peace

 

[nukklehead]

Been using MB a long time. Perlite hempy with auto blackberry and another hempy auto grow both MB only in tap. I used silica as a ph up at first but now I do coco and hit em with DE right away. why change what works?

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With ya there deprivation..... smooch... K.I.S.S..

Nice pics...

 

[uffda]

I'm using an organic soil (dr earth vegetable garden mix) that my plants have been in from seed. On a couple of occasions I've attempted to give them some maxibloom and on both attempts my plants seemed to get pretty sick from it.

The first time was at about 3 weeks and I gave it to them at about 2grams/gallon concentration ph'd to around 6.5. Within 2 days my plants were droopy and lime green from top to bottom. After a pretty significant flushing out they recovered pretty well.

My second attempt was at about 6 weeks old at a concentration of .5 grams per gallon of water again ph'd to about 6.5. Similar results to the first attempt. I'm running a single plant of two strains and one went lime green with the exception of a handful of fan leaves at the bottom. The other one faired a bit better with only the newest growth turning green.

Again after a pretty good flush they seem to be recovering.


What could be causing this problem? I posted on the soil forum as well and someone mentioned it may be the low dose of maxibloom is killing off the organic bacteria and the plant isn't getting enough nutrients from either source. Could this be the issue?

 

[Der Raketmensch]

I'm using an organic soil (dr earth vegetable garden mix) that my plants have been in from seed. On a couple of occasions I've attempted to give them some maxibloom and on both attempts my plants seemed to get pretty sick from it.

The first time was at about 3 weeks and I gave it to them at about 2grams/gallon concentration ph'd to around 6.5. Within 2 days my plants were droopy and lime green from top to bottom. After a pretty significant flushing out they recovered pretty well.

My second attempt was at about 6 weeks old at a concentration of .5 grams per gallon of water again ph'd to about 6.5. Similar results to the first attempt. I'm running a single plant of two strains and one went lime green with the exception of a handful of fan leaves at the bottom. The other one faired a bit better with only the newest growth turning green.

Again after a pretty good flush they seem to be recovering.


What could be causing this problem? I posted on the soil forum as well and someone mentioned it may be the low dose of maxibloom is killing off the organic bacteria and the plant isn't getting enough nutrients from either source. Could this be the issue?

That soil looks like its pretty nutrient dense. You could be overfeeding or getting lockout.

 

[mistermcgeefoot]

Interesting thread for sure. Going to have to give this a shot, wouldn't mind saving a couple bucks.

 

[LostTribe]

I love the maxi veg just started running it a while back and its great and fool proof but I am gonna flush the shit out of them before going back to my botanicare pbp line for bud!

 

[Deprivation]

Thanks Appreciate it.

With ya there deprivation..... smooch... K.I.S.S..

Nice pics...

 

[cureious]

According to GH website, http://gh.growgh.com/docs/MSDS/MaxiBloomHCSv4_eng.pdf, Maxibllom contains Calcium ammonium nitrate (also known as nitro-limestone - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_ammonium_nitrate), Citric Acid(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid), and Cobalt nitrate.

Is Cobalt nitrate the one discussed as a carcinogen here - https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0784.html - https://www.ch.ntu.edu.tw/~genchem99/msds/exp9/Co(NO3)2.pdf ??

I like to keep it simple; If it is made by man, it is toxic. If it is of nature, it's safer. I'll stick to organics using LC's Soiless Mix #2 with dry ferts RECIPE #1 but with additional nutrients per ClackamasCootz, and plant based teas.

For my teas, I like to use tap water that has been kept at 72ish degrees with an aquarium heater and air stone for 24 hours to get out the chlorine and oxygenate the water, then add Black strap molasses, Earth Worm Castings, and Kelp meal, and bubble for 24 hours for my every day watering tea. Depending on the plant's needs and health, and what I have on hand, I may add comfrey, alfalfa, Aloe, Epsom Salts, or other nutrients

 

[deshamanya]

I have these KISS nutrient combinations in my notes. Should be more effective than maxibloom or lucas.

GH maxigrow/bloom 2:1
FloraDuo 1:1
Flora 3part 1:1:1

All for RO water or dominate RO:tap mix

 

[Autodogg]

Why

Why

I have these KISS nutrient combinations in my notes. Should be more effective than maxibloom or lucas.

GH maxigrow/bloom 2:1
FloraDuo 1:1
Flora 3part 1:1:1

All for RO water or dominate RO:tap mix

deshamanya, thanks for posting the info but, why is grow/bloom at 2:1 better than just bloom in flower?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

deshamanya, thanks for posting the info but, why is grow/bloom at 2:1 better than just bloom in flower?

The notes should read:
GH Flora micro:bloom 2:1

Maxigrow:Maxibloom 2:1 is way too much nitrogen, not nearly enough bloom mix. Way off.

 

[Bobazeba]

Well I'm in ! Picked up a bag of Maxi and will give it a go. Right now using Earth Juice 5 part and its been great but want something that last in the rez a little better "self watering in soil atm".

Also picked up a PPM meter and my tap is 50 PPM so I'm guessing a little Mag Cal is needed also ?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

No. "Add cal-mag to r/o or low ppm tap water for best results" is a stoner myth.

The less ppm you have in your water, the more actual *food* you can feed your plants. A balanced nutrient profile (for cannabis) is what you need. Simply adding a bottled *something or other* to your nutrient profile, without doing the math on how it fits, is an unrealistic way to grow decent quality.

Should you have a magnesium deficiency (very possible with a lot of nutrient mixes, depending on your strain/phenotype), cure it with .5g/g-1g/g of epsom salt. You'll thank yourself.

 

[Bobazeba]

I get mag cal def hard as I grow with a new style cob setup "quantum boards". Lots of photons and photosynthesis happening in my med tent lol.

 

[Bobazeba]

What kind of PPM's should I be shooting for ? I'm in FFOF with over a month of growth, single plant ,scrog.

 

[deshamanya]

The notes should read:
GH Flora micro:bloom 2:1

Maxigrow:Maxibloom 2:1 is way too much nitrogen, not nearly enough bloom mix. Way off.

I had read a magazine article posted online that stated GH3part at 1:1:1 gave better results than the 1:2:3 and lucas methods.

According to ShroomDr's ppm thread, the maxigrow/bloom 2:1 gives these ppm's for NPKCaMgS 110-48-154-74-33-44 I assumed that would be acceptable for the entire plant cycle considering it's similar to what GH3part at 1:1:1 would give. Somewhat similar: 91-34-118-65-26-13

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

I had read a magazine article posted online that stated GH3part at 1:1:1 gave better results than the 1:2:3 and lucas methods.

According to ShroomDr's ppm thread, the maxigrow/bloom 2:1 gives these ppm's for NPKCaMgS 110-48-154-74-33-44 I assumed that would be acceptable for the entire plant cycle considering it's similar to what GH3part at 1:1:1 would give. Somewhat similar: 91-34-118-65-26-13

That would explain their notes, yes. Having never tried it, I am in no position to comment.

 

[Atanasius]

great data

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

The Lucas formula mix, using General Hydroponics Flora at 8ml Micro and 16ml Bloom, should contain approximately:
Nitrogen 130ppm Phosphorous 106 Potassium 183 Magnesium 73 Sulfur 49 Calcium 130

Those other mixes are quite low in Phosphorous.

 

[deshamanya]

The Lucas formula mix, using General Hydroponics Flora at 8ml Micro and 16ml Bloom, should contain approximately:

Nitrogen 130ppm Phosphorous 106 Potassium 183 Magnesium 73 Sulfur 49 Calcium 130

Those other mixes are quite low in Phosphorous.

Let them eat PH down! My KISS formulations also borrowed from AN's released tissue test results titled Phosphorous Myth depicting a low phosphorous requirement.