*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[guam_bomb80]

It took over 2 weeks for me to read this whole thread but the info I received was worth the time. Thanks everyone for your input, suggestions and tips. Only thing different I am doing is using m.o.a.b instead of koolbloom, because I already have it. I was using Technaflora recipe for success the last grow and was so ready to find something much simpler. Finally, I don't have to mix 3 different solutions! My plants are thriving, in ffof, coco, and my single dwc(my own side x side). Switched everything after I read the first page, and I'm happy so far.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

UPDATE:

Sidewing your the man !


it was the light intensity bro your the fucking man thanks for everyone else helping me diagnose my problem too. I was scratching my head as everything else was on point. I knew it couldnt be a nute def. or other shit. knock on wood lmfao ladies looking so happy and so am I


rookie move lol thank god I didnt do anything too drastic. was about to toss the ladies


havent been on lately fellas my family aint doing so well health wise. My pops and mom havent been getting the best news about there health this year and there young ass parents too which gets me real emotional when I think about not having them around at least for another 30-40 years. Anyways guys I usually dont talk about my personal life on here but I want to thank everyone on here for helping me out on this hobby that keeps me sane with school and life in general.

I hope to get things real stable now that this light issue has been solved as its been following me forever making me chase other things around and question my skills. I hope to get things really dialed in as I got potential and good space that can be used in the future.

I plan on really focusing my time on this over the next couple of months and finishing my last quarter before summer break with A's before applying to graduate programs. I always had a dream of being able to let my parents retire early and this health news only gives me more motivation to keep at it. I want my parents to relax for once as I know I wasnt the easiest kid growing up and my mom especially really stresses about my future and works her tail off. BTW my dad since hes a diabetic has symptoms of early kidney disease im hoping not chronic/late and my mom was diagnosed with cancer and had surgery this yr and the drs are hoping it didnt come from somewhere else in the body.

Anyways like I said fellas thanks again and im really going to get this shit dialed in this yr and hoping I can help my family as much as I can and hopefully lessen there stress financially etc. I know im young but i try to help everywhere I can


much love here guys


KEEPING KISSIN

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

damn bro best of luck with school and all that but most of all big hugs to you and your family. that is super scary and i know how it just keeps everyone on pins and needles till you figure it out. strength and serenity to you and yours man. thats alot.

 

[sidewing]

Glad it worked out for you. I try to make sure my inline fan is pulling as much heat from the enclosed reflector as possible and I put a large regular fan blowing on the tops to help keep them cool. Other than that just train them early. Short and squat. It's hard in hydro cuz they blow up. It's ok to just give them a flat top hair cut a week before going into flower at the height level you want. You'll probably still have to do some bending during or after the stretch but it'll make it easier to maintain. I had 3 bad rounds when first switching to hydro before I finally had a good harvest. I still don't feel I have things 100 percent optimal through every stage of growth. But things are acceptable at this point. Stick with it, properly dialed hydro will be worth it.
Hope things work out for you in your personal life.

Guam in my opinion koolbloom is a waste of an additive, maxibloom provides enough pk to flower properly. Adding more is just going to unbalance the ratios of your nutrient profile. A plant will only be as optimal as it's least balanced nutrient.. So you can throw pk at it all day but If the ratio is off it's not going to make a difference.

 

[dr-dank]

Question, and sorry if this was covered. I did scan this large thread.

What do folks think about KISS with MB vs two part 6/9, where the latter lets you cut out N in later stage of flower?

I was thinking most agreed that cutting out N in late flower helps improve quality at slight loss of weight. Seems cannot be done with MB.

Is just a water flush sufficient?

Thanks and regards

 

[stoned40yrs]

Question, and sorry if this was covered. I did scan this large thread.

What do folks think about KISS with MB vs two part 6/9, where the latter lets you cut out N in later stage of flower?

I was thinking most agreed that cutting out N in late flower helps improve quality at slight loss of weight. Seems cannot be done with MB.

Is just a water flush sufficient?

Thanks and regards

What media do you grow in? I grow in coco and have used MB and 6/9, both handwatering and blumats. I've faded the plants by lowering the micro and also just ran the 6/9 till I do a 5 day flush. Meh, don't see any benefits of lowering the micro. After a bunch of experimenting with both I now use 5/7.5, micro & bloom 1.2ec from late veg all the way through till the 5 day flush. I run a perpetual and once a week I hand water in some bennies and weak bloom boosters depending on what week of bloom each plant is in always keeping my ec at 1.2. I don't know if I will try MB again. Last time I ran it with blumats my plants yellowed up in week 3 with the ec at 1.2. Not for me, I refuse to run any nutes higher than 1.2ec nowadays. Less is more

 

[dr-dank]

@ Stoned...

I do a perp in coco. DTW. I check pg but not ec as I follow modified lucas ala 6/9.

With scotts now owning gh I was thinking to stock up on MB and was thinking 6/9 vs mb as per this thread would be == as far as EC.

Regards

 

[stoned40yrs]

@ Stoned...

I do a perp in coco. DTW. I check pg but not ec as I follow modified lucas ala 6/9.

With scotts now owning gh I was thinking to stock up on MB and was thinking 6/9 vs mb as per this thread would be == as far as EC.

Regards

I'm not afraid of Scotts. I think GH and Scotts cooked up a $cheme to make all the stoners run out and stock up on GH products.
No, 6/9 micro and bloom comes out to 1.3 in ro and 7g/gal MB is 1.8ec in ro. There abouts depending on who's mixing it, anyway MB is way hotter but works great for a lot of people. I may try it again someday.

 

[sidewing]

I don't think the whole Scotts thing will affect maxi line. Gh has said nothing is going to change. And the only concern I have is the Monsanto link. But maxi is raw salts. Can't exactly use genetically modified raw salts or something. It may affect other bottled products though. In my opinion. Besides if it becomes an issue I'll probably just switch to Jack's or something

 

[dr-dank]

Thanks Stoned fror the EC clarify; I caught drift of some variance in the thread but assumed this explained the admonition to weigh, and not measure the MB, or that iot related to EC conversion factor.

Still, if I have followed, the ratios should be lucas and so if EC is too high at 7g then just dial it back to match 6/9. Which is what you are saying...

So far not much comment on need to cit N in late flower so perhaps[s that was a h3ad thing...

My fear with scotts is they will do as they did with peters. Buy it out and then kill it to sell more miracle grow. Or perhaps alter the recipe to reduce costs so they can sell at big box stores.

Regards all.

 

[marrdogg]

Thanks Stoned fror the EC clarify; I caught drift of some variance in the thread but assumed this explained the admonition to weigh, and not measure the MB, or that iot related to EC conversion factor.

Still, if I have followed, the ratios should be lucas and so if EC is too high at 7g then just dial it back to match 6/9. Which is what you are saying...

So far not much comment on need to cit N in late flower so perhaps[s that was a h3ad thing...

My fear with scotts is they will do as they did with peters. Buy it out and then kill it to sell more miracle grow. Or perhaps alter the recipe to reduce costs so they can sell at big box stores.

Regards all.

That's my concern, there is no doubt in my mind that Scott's will have it in big box stores sooner or later. The problem with that is to cut costs I believe they will try to alter what they already have MG, and try to customize it so it more resembles MB. The problem with that is cheaper lower cost materials will be used to do it. They may hide it by saying something like "new and improved, dissolves better in water". Look Out!

 

[marrdogg]

I'm already on the hunt for an alternative for when and if that occurs. Hard though, as a one part MB is in a class it's own. Don't care what one part you use, it is always compared to MB, this is what all other one parts are gauged off of.

 

[sidewing]

I guess the safe route is to buy your own salts and recreate mb. Except I'd make a part a powder which would be simply potassium silicate. And part b which would be "maxibloom"

 

[sourpuss]

My experience with kiss is u cant take a 1 part n expect all plants to be happy to harvest.... always keep some cal mag epsom salts handy...

 

[sourpuss]

Tried a low ec mb pre harvest feed... .3 tap and .3 ec mb.... .6 ec great results. Mb has some n cutting it completely is not needed....

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

My experience with kiss is u cant take a 1 part n expect all plants to be happy to harvest.... always keep some cal mag epsom salts handy...

Sour puss what about with 6/9 ??


I get the whole you cant expect all plants to be happy off a one part nutrient but if the ratios are on point shouldnt all plants be happy ?


I see your point though i guess all humans are different too and some of us need diferent things depending on our situation.

makes sense


but at the same time ive seen people state here that they use nothing but 6/9 and RO water and everything is perfect.


so it makes me question this theory??

but on the other hand

i got a 2 GG#4 clones rooted in rapid rooters that got placed in the same coco and situation as my KKSC clones out my ez cloner. the Gg#4 roots didnt look anywhere as bad ass as my KKSC roots in the cloner but once it hit the coco with 6/9 they took off. my GG#4's are perfect including the mom but my KKSC look a little pale like MG def.

I dont know though i think its user error though as I have also seen this KKSC thrive with 6/9 before. so it makes me think other factors are in play such as my low water temps etc.

this is just me though sour puss i know you prolly know your shit !


could be just that some strains are more finicky if things arent 100% perfect

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

im hoping that the GH stuff will be in the local walmart and lowes. where im from there isnt a hydro store within 2hrs of my house. i dont think scotts will mess with it..they done see how much money GH is making. they know if they fk something up then us stoners will just switch to something else..they are 100s of other products out there that will work. if all goes to hell though and they do fk with it then jacks or veg+bloom dirty is a option for us. i actually got 2 pounds of veg+bloom dirty and +size this year as im gonna test it out on a few my plants and see if it holds up to the name

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

Dude dont say that retro



or your going to keep me up all night


the 325mg of asprin dont help for me it throws of the PH do you not exp this retro ?


ill try the asprin again but from I remember they didnt like that too much.



They were kicking booty in the ap's bro....the hempys = sadness


will post photos


Ill look at the roots for shit and giggles but i see the roots all in rez looking hella nice.



Ill post some photos though bro !



your the man



obviously im not





I really think its the rough ass transplanting im doing and the initial week of transplant but i dont see why when the roots are all pearly in the res.

oohhh yea i got a gg#4 babe in there whose been in an ap and under the same conditions and shes perfect only difference is


shes been fed with .9ec-1.0ec from the start and shes in a small ap.
where the big veggers are in 2 gal hempys.


I know i over fed them for a week or two AT MAX with the full strength 7g/gal but I backed off when I saw them getting too green it wasnt like full blown nitro tox. I reduced the feeding back and there still looking funky. Good dammit i know tox. vs defs are harder to overcome but comeeeee on ! how long until they bounce back jesus christ


could it be that my 600's are too close to the tops that there getting stressed ?



anyways PHOTO TIME ! that might help lol


i cant take any chances on these next ones in the cloner as I really need to get a run out in this room. so like i said ap's to 2 gal smarties with one in a hempy too learn is how im playing this next one out.

cant go 3 for 0

u can also use aloe vera powder and its got the same active ingrediant as the Aspirin (SA). its also got alot of other things that aspirin dont have. i gave my seedlings a dose of the aloe 3 days ago and they have really taken off. ive also got a few other additives that im using as well like liquid seaweed,superthrive and nirvana. i havent started with the maxi series yet. i will start that once i hit the plots. just trying to get them the best start i can. 3 weeks since germination (2 weeks above dirt) and loving it.

 

[sourpuss]

Sour puss what about with 6/9 ??


I get the whole you cant expect all plants to be happy off a one part nutrient but if the ratios are on point shouldnt all plants be happy ?


I see your point though i guess all humans are different too and some of us need diferent things depending on our situation.

makes sense


but at the same time ive seen people state here that they use nothing but 6/9 and RO water and everything is perfect.


so it makes me question this theory??

but on the other hand

i got a 2 GG#4 clones rooted in rapid rooters that got placed in the same coco and situation as my KKSC clones out my ez cloner. the Gg#4 roots didnt look anywhere as bad ass as my KKSC roots in the cloner but once it hit the coco with 6/9 they took off. my GG#4's are perfect including the mom but my KKSC look a little pale like MG def.

I dont know though i think its user error though as I have also seen this KKSC thrive with 6/9 before. so it makes me think other factors are in play such as my low water temps etc.

this is just me though sour puss i know you prolly know your shit !


could be just that some strains are more finicky if things arent 100% perfect

I see what your sayin... and no I dont know my shit haha always learnin. My advice is prob more towards peeps like me who may not be dialed and somr cal mag may really help make a diff when those signs show early Imo . I got a bunch of things going at the same time so keeping em dialed seems to be a challenge.... maybe i take less is more too far......

Respect to all for the guidance

Gotta try that aloe.....

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

I see what your sayin... and no I dont know my shit haha always learnin. My advice is prob more towards peeps like me who may not be dialed and somr cal mag may really help make a diff when those signs show early Imo . I got a bunch of things going at the same time so keeping em dialed seems to be a challenge.... maybe i take less is more too far......

Respect to all for the guidance

Gotta try that aloe.....

just an update for you sourpuss

anything above 1.2ec I noticed for too long will give me a nitro. tox so all the nutes are there

mine started a showing too much sign on nitro so i backed off to 1.0ec waterings notice how i said wateringS

Having my watering frequency and habits on point( with all other factors in fair range PH ec envrionment etc) the plants are really taking off now.

like ive said before coco defs start in my garden when :


1)coco drying out too much gotta get the hang of this through exp.

2)optimal conditions out of whack. ( temps,humidity,ph)


6/9 and a pinch of epsom salt per gal diluted down to 1.0-1.2ec on multiple feedings is showing me the results ive seen in COCO.

my problem is consistency which goes hand in hand with exp.


Hope this helps sour !


6/9 has everything ya need if your starting water is decent. Its hard to believe right trust me i chase shit all the time when stuffs going wrong.


when problems occur go down a checklist and start checking stuff off until you find the prob.

runoffs where i usually start


cheers





PS: i just got my new camera in guys ill post a photo of my GG#4 on 6/9 in the gg thread.