*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[webecat]

I switched from Ebb and Flow to DWC and couldn't be happier with MB and add liquid Koolbloom and tap water. I only use a 150w HPS so I have to maximize my yield. Just 1 scoop of MB, a cap full of Liquid KB. My EC meter has never been used and it hasn't been a problem. For veg, I use half a scoop of MG with tap and top feed. And just as a side note, my MB has become chunky from moister so I cut in half one of the plastic sleeves that is meant to hold your lottery tickets. Scoop my MB into it and roll it with my mixing jar, then put it in and it mixes a lot better. MG seems to mix good by itself FWIW.

 

[Apache Kush]

i love how simple maxi is for KI.S.S. ,

Haven't tried it yet but I have General Hydro Flora Nova Bloom series and its goopy crap
now I wanna try Maxi..lurking

 

[marrdogg]

I run MB at 5 grams a gallon I also run magi/cal at 5ml a gallon. My plants love it I know this is K.I.S.S. but I also add silica and Ocean Mist from nutrifield at 2ml per gallon gives me around 850ppm, plants are thriving.

 

[marrdogg]

Run this from veg through bloom, soon as they get roots they get hit with the sauce and take off!

 

[marrdogg]

Correction I use CaliMagic.

 

[RetroGrow]

I run MB at 5 grams a gallon I also run magi/cal at 5ml a gallon. My plants love it I know this is K.I.S.S. but I also add silica and Ocean Mist from nutrifield at 2ml per gallon gives me around 850ppm, plants are thriving.

That's O. K. Silica's not a violation of K.I.S.S.
I also use Rhizotonic & Boost. Still consider it K.I.S.S.
It would work with none of those, but I like them.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Def grabbing a bag of maxigrow tomorrow to see how my new clones like it fellas.

my shop got it for 9 bucks a bag lmao


will keep it around 1.0-1.2ec all the way thru veg to first 2 weeks of flower. I like this KISS shit and it seems like peeps is liking MG thru veg.


MG/MB is literally the cheapest thing out there i think lol


and people get kick ass results.


Maxi train all day


PS: retro bro my hempys aint doing so well again bro. what is it with these things ? the top leaves are turning light green. im feeding around 1.0-1.1ec every 24hrs with MB. They looked happy and now they dont. the top leaves are a light/neon green. my temps stay around 68-70F in veg with 50-55% RH. ughhhh dude this is my 2nd round trying hempys and i keep fucking up what givesssss i just want them to work. I feel like im overwatering before roots get established but i see white pearly roots in the res ?! should i up the feeding to 1.2-1/4ec and see how they do ? Im thinkin that or a 1/3rd strength flush.


FML I just want these buckets to work it makes me feel like a rookie again. I got 17 clones ready for solo cups so one of them will go into a hempy and the other 16 in smarties until I can get the bucket method down.




Save me retro I cant keep wasting time and hard work on vegging it makes me want to put these buckets in my closet. Its getting old real quick and I hate how one day they look good then they look poop.

Am i just a smartie type of guy and not allowed in the buckethead club

 

[RetroGrow]

Pictures, or it didn't happen.
You have something else going on.
Maybe bad coco, maybe fusarium.
Try adding 325 Mg. plain, uncoated aspirin per gallon to your mix, and see if they don't improve within hours.
IT DOESN'T GET ANY SIMPLER.
Impossible to fuck up.
So, let's see some pictures.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Pictures, or it didn't happen.
You have something else going on.
Maybe bad coco, maybe fusarium.
Try adding 325 Mg. plain, uncoated aspirin per gallon to your mix, and see if they don't improve within hours.
IT DOESN'T GET ANY SIMPLER.
Impossible to fuck up.
So, let's see some pictures.

Dude dont say that retro



or your going to keep me up all night


the 325mg of asprin dont help for me it throws of the PH do you not exp this retro ?


ill try the asprin again but from I remember they didnt like that too much.



They were kicking booty in the ap's bro....the hempys = sadness


will post photos


Ill look at the roots for shit and giggles but i see the roots all in rez looking hella nice.



Ill post some photos though bro !



your the man



obviously im not





I really think its the rough ass transplanting im doing and the initial week of transplant but i dont see why when the roots are all pearly in the res.

oohhh yea i got a gg#4 babe in there whose been in an ap and under the same conditions and shes perfect only difference is


shes been fed with .9ec-1.0ec from the start and shes in a small ap.
where the big veggers are in 2 gal hempys.


I know i over fed them for a week or two AT MAX with the full strength 7g/gal but I backed off when I saw them getting too green it wasnt like full blown nitro tox. I reduced the feeding back and there still looking funky. Good dammit i know tox. vs defs are harder to overcome but comeeeee on ! how long until they bounce back jesus christ


could it be that my 600's are too close to the tops that there getting stressed ?



anyways PHOTO TIME ! that might help lol


i cant take any chances on these next ones in the cloner as I really need to get a run out in this room. so like i said ap's to 2 gal smarties with one in a hempy too learn is how im playing this next one out.

cant go 3 for 0

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

well, it sounds like you know what the problem is.
i agree.
they are too wet. ive not run hempys but the lil bit i remember is that it looks like it is a style that benefits from a heal in period of delicately timed feeds for the purpose of teasing the roots out to play. i do that in plain coco too. if i over water for an extended period of time in coco i have all kinds of issues including plant death.
i still overdo it on occasion because i run an automated system, occasionally with seeds that all turn out having different water needs all on one timer system. occcasionally ill get some smaller ones that end up getting too much sometimes. fucks em up in different ways but one is root diseases. i almost wonder if thats it. you mentioned overfeeding but it sounds like they take mysterious turn for the worse after that.
i dont know just a thought.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

well, it sounds like you know what the problem is.
i agree.
they are too wet. ive not run hempys but the lil bit i remember is that it looks like it is a style that benefits from a heal in period of delicately timed feeds for the purpose of teasing the roots out to play. i do that in plain coco too. if i over water for an extended period of time in coco i have all kinds of issues including plant death.
i still overdo it on occasion because i run an automated system, occasionally with seeds that all turn out having different water needs all on one timer system. occcasionally ill get some smaller ones that end up getting too much sometimes. fucks em up in different ways but one is root diseases. i almost wonder if thats it. you mentioned overfeeding but it sounds like they take mysterious turn for the worse after that.
i dont know just a thought.

pics will be up in the morning got to hit the sack got class in the am.


yeah XXX im almost postitive its cause of my transplant/watering habits and the overfeeding didnt help soo thats like X2 stress lol


the nice thing is I did these on purpose to practice the hempy thing again and to cut a shit load of clones for not only my next round but for my upcoming OD season too.

dont get me wrong they dont look bad but the light yellowing/neon green on the top leaves just makes me sad classic overwatering signs

idk about you guys but when they aint feeling good im not feeling good.



So my 16 KKSC that have 12 inch inch roots and my 2 GG#4 for testing purposes will be transferred into my solo cup sized ap's and put under a 600w HPS with lights on 24/7.

The hempys will sadly probably be put on the backburner once they get stripped for cuttings theyll probably be killed and replaced by the KKSC and GG4.


Idk if im going to go out and get that 9 buck bag of MG or i might just stick with the MB in veg. Idk everyones talking about MG in veg and a 9 bucks a bag cant beat that

but at the same time my gg#4 loves the MB at around 1.0 ec in veg right now. straight taking off !!! thats why i know it had to be the hempys and user error




ive always been notorious for having a heavy hand cant lie so maybe the smarties and ap's are for people like me

 

[RetroGrow]

Dude dont say that retro



or your going to keep me up all night


the 325mg of asprin dont help for me it throws of the PH do you not exp this retro ?


ill try the asprin again but from I remember they didnt like that too much.



They were kicking booty in the ap's bro....the hempys = sadness


will post photos


Ill look at the roots for shit and giggles but i see the roots all in rez looking hella nice.



Ill post some photos though bro !



your the man



obviously im not





I really think its the rough ass transplanting im doing and the initial week of transplant but i dont see why when the roots are all pearly in the res.

oohhh yea i got a gg#4 babe in there whose been in an ap and under the same conditions and shes perfect only difference is


shes been fed with .9ec-1.0ec from the start and shes in a small ap.
where the big veggers are in 2 gal hempys.


I know i over fed them for a week or two AT MAX with the full strength 7g/gal but I backed off when I saw them getting too green it wasnt like full blown nitro tox. I reduced the feeding back and there still looking funky. Good dammit i know tox. vs defs are harder to overcome but comeeeee on ! how long until they bounce back jesus christ


could it be that my 600's are too close to the tops that there getting stressed ?



anyways PHOTO TIME ! that might help lol


i cant take any chances on these next ones in the cloner as I really need to get a run out in this room. so like i said ap's to 2 gal smarties with one in a hempy too learn is how im playing this next one out.

cant go 3 for 0

#1: Aspirin has only a miniscule and negligible effect on PH. It isn't even an issue. Your mix should be made at least a day, preferably 2 days in advance, then adjusted right before using, to account for PH drift. Silica can be used to adjust PH, or just use PH up/down as needed. Don't use vinegar or any "natural" products to adjust PH, as they break down and are not stable. Only use silica, or PH up or down. I suspect you may have PH issues. It's definitely NOT the Hempys. One of the advantages of Hempys, especially for newbies (not saying you're a newbie) is that they are so simple and foolproof, which is why I don't hesitate to recommend them.
Are you using a PH pen/meter, and is it calibrated? Remember, this is hydro, so PH is more important than it is in an outdoor soil grow, for example. PH being off a bit can cause problems.
#2: You can't over water coco/Hempys once the root system is developed. Impossible. In fact, the more frequently you water/feed, the better, as I've already explained about the freshly oxygenated solution. Plants, especially in hydro, love/need oxygen. If the root system is not developed, then it is possible to over water, however, if you are starting in Solos that are translucent, you can see the roots, and when they fill the cup, they are good to go for transplant with full strength feeding. In my case, I prefer 2 gallon buckets, as the plants, when they are grown, suck up all the solution overnight. At that point, roots take oxygen from the air, until the solution is replenished, bringing fresh oxygen once again. That's just my personal preference. You can use bigger buckets if you prefer. Some people don't want to be bothered watering daily, or their plant numbers are too high to make this practical. That will work, but growth won't be as explosive as the constant freshly oxygenated solution.
#3: I don't know why you are constantly needing to change/adjust your EC/PPMs. I have never had a problem with 800 PPMs. Again, maybe your meter is off? I always have two meters (cheap, Oakleys) to confirm what I'm seeing. If they are both the same, I know I'm good.
As far as changing the nutrients, well, this is the KISS thread. Maxibloom @ 800 PPMs. It's proven to work by many people. I've used Maxigrow in veg, and it's no better than Maxibloom. Maxibloom works in veg as well as bloom, hence this thread. Many other ways work, but that is what this thread is about.
Get some pictures up. Maybe that will help.
I can only think at this point that your issue is PH.
Keep it @ 5.8, or a range of 5.5-6.0, and there should not be any problems. This is hydro. Hydro medium, hydro buckets. 5.8.....

 

[whatsmells]

This may have been asked but I don't see it so far. I am at page 50 so far and it sounds like a great product in its simplicity but as far as cost savings I just don't see it. I am running canna a and b in coco. 5 liters cost me $100.00.
1 tsp = +- 5ml.
5 ltr = 5000 ml.
This treats 1000 gal.
That's 10 cents a gallon. Same as the KISS Maxibloom. Am I missing something?
It was my understanding there would be no math involved with this.LOL

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

#1: Aspirin has only a miniscule and negligible effect on PH. It isn't even an issue. Your mix should be made at least a day, preferably 2 days in advance, then adjusted right before using, to account for PH drift. Silica can be used to adjust PH, or just use PH up/down as needed. Don't use vinegar or any "natural" products to adjust PH, as they break down and are not stable. Only use silica, or PH up or down. I suspect you may have PH issues. It's definitely NOT the Hempys. One of the advantages of Hempys, especially for newbies (not saying you're a newbie) is that they are so simple and foolproof, which is why I don't hesitate to recommend them.
Are you using a PH pen/meter, and is it calibrated? Remember, this is hydro, so PH is more important than it is in an outdoor soil grow, for example. PH being off a bit can cause problems.
#2: You can't over water coco/Hempys once the root system is developed. Impossible. In fact, the more frequently you water/feed, the better, as I've already explained about the freshly oxygenated solution. Plants, especially in hydro, love/need oxygen. If the root system is not developed, then it is possible to over water, however, if you are starting in Solos that are translucent, you can see the roots, and when they fill the cup, they are good to go for transplant with full strength feeding. In my case, I prefer 2 gallon buckets, as the plants, when they are grown, suck up all the solution overnight. At that point, roots take oxygen from the air, until the solution is replenished, bringing fresh oxygen once again. That's just my personal preference. You can use bigger buckets if you prefer. Some people don't want to be bothered watering daily, or their plant numbers are too high to make this practical. That will work, but growth won't be as explosive as the constant freshly oxygenated solution.
#3: I don't know why you are constantly needing to change/adjust your EC/PPMs. I have never had a problem with 800 PPMs. Again, maybe your meter is off? I always have two meters (cheap, Oakleys) to confirm what I'm seeing. If they are both the same, I know I'm good.
As far as changing the nutrients, well, this is the KISS thread. Maxibloom @ 800 PPMs. It's proven to work by many people. I've used Maxigrow in veg, and it's no better than Maxibloom. Maxibloom works in veg as well as bloom, hence this thread. Many other ways work, but that is what this thread is about.
Get some pictures up. Maybe that will help.
I can only think at this point that your issue is PH.
Keep it @ 5.8, or a range of 5.5-6.0, and there should not be any problems. This is hydro. Hydro medium, hydro buckets. 5.8.....

I think my meter is calibrated fine but ill double check the ec/ppm side. Also I use the drops the make sure ph is good. But i have been keeping it in the 5.9-6.2 range. So maybe I need to let the ph drift down more ?


pics will get posted now its the upper leaves that are yellow I see roots in the rez so im guessing its not the watering every 24hrs.


I picked up a bag of maxigrow for this next run. I looked at the back of both bags. and noticed that maxibloom doesnt list MN on the back and maxigrow does. Is there a reason why maxibloom doesnt have any manganese in it ? this seems very strange to me.





AJAE

 

[RetroGrow]

Drops not accurate enough. You need a pen. PH 5.5-6.0 MAX, preferably 5.8. Start @ 5.5, as it usually drifts up, then double check and adjust before watering. That's probably your problem all along. Your PH is too high. In hydro, PH is important, and coco in Hempys is hydro.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Drops not accurate enough. You need a pen. PH 5.5-6.0 MAX, preferably 5.8. Start @ 5.5, as it usually drifts up, then double check and adjust before watering. That's probably your problem all along. Your PH is too high. In hydro, PH is important, and coco in Hempys is hydro.

No retro what im saying is i use my hannah probe meter and double check with the drops. Really retro ? ph is my problem you think ? hmm ill lower it on this feeding then and let you guys know... still gonna post the photos anyways.


in my smarties i do 5.8-6.2 range and never have problems. Hmmm are my smarties and coco not considered full hydro like the hempys ?




AJAE

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

i run a 5.5 - 6.2 with occasional swings up to 6.4, and dips down to 5.2, but i try to avoid those.

 

[webecat]

i run a 5.5 - 6.2 with occasional swings up to 6.4, and dips down to 5.2, but i try to avoid those.

First DWC has been easy. If I PH to 5.7-5.9 it will float there and then begin to drop to 5.4-5.5. That's when I top it off to get it back up. That's all I did until I changed the rez to flush with tap water and sugar daddy. On a side note I tried the GH powder PH down on my last ebb and flow and had to constantly add more and it wouldn't hold it down. The liquid GH works great though FWIW.
For veg, I top feed cups of hydroton with MG, it always seems to end up at about 6.0-6.2 and the plants look fine and grow great. If I have plants that veg for too long I will do a drain to waste flush with clearex. All in all, these two products work well, are economical and keep my maintenance time and budget way down.

 

[RetroGrow]

No retro what im saying is i use my hannah probe meter and double check with the drops. Really retro ? ph is my problem you think ? hmm ill lower it on this feeding then and let you guys know... still gonna post the photos anyways.


in my smarties i do 5.8-6.2 range and never have problems. Hmmm are my smarties and coco not considered full hydro like the hempys ?




AJAE

I thought you were using drops only.
Coco is a hydro medium.
Hempys are a hydro system. Smart pots are not really a hydro system. They can be used with soil or coco. No rez.

 

[sidewing]

I think my meter is calibrated fine but ill double check the ec/ppm side. Also I use the drops the make sure ph is good. But i have been keeping it in the 5.9-6.2 range. So maybe I need to let the ph drift down more ?


pics will get posted now its the upper leaves that are yellow I see roots in the rez so im guessing its not the watering every 24hrs.


I picked up a bag of maxigrow for this next run. I looked at the back of both bags. and noticed that maxibloom doesnt list MN on the back and maxigrow does. Is there a reason why maxibloom doesnt have any manganese in it ? this seems very strange to me.





AJAE

heres the ingredient list of maxibloom:

Nitrogen: 5%
- 0.5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
- 4.5% Nitrate Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5): 15%

Soluble Potash (K2O): 14%

CA: 5%

water soluble Mg: 3.5%

Sulfur: 4%

Iron: 0.1%

Derived from: Ammonium Molybdate, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Magnesium Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Potassium Borate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulfate, and Zinc Sulfate

it's in there.

as far as your yellowing.. how close is your light to the top of the plants? what are the temps where your leaves are yellowing? is the plant growing fine or is it stalled/sluggish?

if its stalled/sluggish.. it could be a PH issue or from what ive seen in DWC root rot hit, and its not uptaking anything. but you say you see white healthy roots so.. probably not root rot? the roots are growing still yes?

in flower under my 1k i always have some leaves up near the light that yellow because they are too close to the light. doesnt affect anything, just gently pinch and bend the branch like 6 inches or a foot below the top and bend it over so its not getting so much direct light. wont hurt the plant, but the heat will damage the bud quality only on that one bud possibly if you leave it there.

if everything else is growing right, roots look healthy, and other than the slight yellowing the plant is growing healthy elseware. i'd say thats your issue (or your non-issue if thats the case).