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*The K.I.S.S. Method*

MaynardG_Krebs

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thanks
here is a photo of my "old school" ppm meter. I called the company a while ago and asked what conversion they used, and they told me neither- and they had some proprietary algorrythm or something like that. I have bought calibration solution and can calibrate. I know the needle doesn't move at all with my RO water..Real hard water around here:(
anyone familiar with this? what should my baseline ppm be before i add the nutes to get the optimal level?
Im also using FFOF soil, and was going to feed every other watering to keep salt buildup to a minimum..
running 600 watt in 4x4x6.5 tent
pineapple express
cotton candy kush
critical jack
sour d
bubble gum kush

Ur gonna love the PX! It's one of my favorite strains! I just found one of your meters on ebay for 36 buks plus 5 shipping!

mgk :tiphat:
 

Hydro-Soil

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I got scared and added some RO water to bring it down to 1100. Should i use my ro with some cal-mag instead? i wanted to see if i could get around using the RO and make it as simple a grow as possible...
No cal-mag. Period.

You want simple??

Use the RO...
If your plants show mag deficiency and you've *scoured* your room and root zones for root aphids and have found none... pick up a $5 bag of garden epsom salts. Use a half to a full gram per gallon. (never needed more than a half)

Use the RO...
You'll have 'predictable' results (results like everyone else using RO and basically your setup) and it will be easier for people to help out with any 'issues' that might arise.

Use the RO...
People really don't get how much of a variable tap/well water can be for hydro... even just a few blocks away from another grow.

Skip the hassle, lump the RO and know that you can move nearly anywhere and get the same results you're oh so familiar with. :) Been there... done that many times now. :)

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 
Matt, i can not send pm's, i havent been back long enough i suppose?

Here is a response to your pm i tried to send.

The only real way is to flush with correct reading nutes.. ppm should be lowered and backed away from light until new healthy growth is apparent.
You must monitor run off often in hempy buckets because of the internal rez. the solution can change considerably depending on nute brand and state of the plant. this is why i prefer drain to waste with perlite, i have found it to be one of the best mediums around once dialed. it is very forgiving when you make mistake.

good luck!

thanks bro got things back looking normal.
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Ive been in battle with my P and I let him do it his way , and my flower closet consists of this.

And our veg got locked out. Its probably more my fault , but i cant fight with the guy and tell him whats doing what in his house.Im losing my job and going back to school, so i will have much more time to make sure i visit the house every day or 2. I did sit him down and explain that what we pulled when I was in charge (making the calls) was a freraking Gold Rush to what we are getting now. Its still good quality ,just no quantity.and technically he never really made any calls He just switched my LST Scorg to a 2L/1gal SOG, which he thought would produce more. Heres the little Snowcap like 6g plant or so
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end of my rant, Thanks for helping Grovee. I always know somebody on this thread will share the word!
 


OG Kush useing Maxibloom and protek those buds are HUGE for OG top to bottom nugs!

I have been useing AN ph perfect conni line with alot of additives lately just to see what it was all about its decent stuff but imho dont touch maxi for many reasons! atm i have a side by side going with MB and the An line i am also waiting for my local store to get in veg+bloom so i can do all 3 at the same time in diffrent aero systems!
 

VAtransplant

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OOPS

I spilled water on my digital scale a couple weeks ago. Poor guy, been with me for about 6 years! Sigh!

Anyway, I found a nice one with awesome reviews on Amazon that even weighs to hundredths. Compromise was max capacity of 100g, but that's okay - my scale needs to weigh 7.0 more often than anything else!

Ordered this new scale and to meet my free shipping price cutoff of $25, I decided it was high time for a new pH pen since the old one had been left to dry like 500 times. The 'wick' thing was brown. I had calibrated it over the years many times, and last grow (last winter) even calibrated every time I made up nutes (yes I burned through a big jug of calibration solution that grow). Anyway, here's what's up-

Got new pH pen. Followed instructions to soak in water (they said bottled, but my CO tap water is wonderful) for 30 minutes. Shook it off, threw it in to the 7.01 calibration packet they gave me. Calibrated it to 7.0. Calibrated my old pen (Milwaukee ph600, again same model as the new one) to 7.0 as well.

Then I poured a fresh cup of tap and put both of the pens in. Old pen read 6.1, new pen read 7.7.

Wanting to be doubly sure that my new pen was okay due to mixed reviews, I shook it off and put it back in calibration solution. 7.0 on the nose. Old pen threw back in to solution read 6.4. It's in the trash now.

I still had about 2 gallons of my last mix of an approximated 7 grams/gal (an overflowing 'little side' scoop of Maxibloom). My eyeballing of MB was surprisingly very accurate, but the pH? 6.8!!!! My poor girls! My old pen, though calibrated frequently, was left dry probably 5 times in 2009 and 10 times in 2010! All those poor girls that I've cranked out have been suffering for years, yes they showed signs at times but I figured it was something else more often than not!

Have a giant batch at 5.7 brewing right now, was 850 ppm before adjustment (a little Pro-tekt, gosh I'm going to use half or less as much as I did before since old meter was reading so low!).. Going to flush the living daylights out of everything I have and wait for the good green to return! I still love this formula, I've produced some amazing things with whack pH for years, the future is looking very green my friends!
 
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sour diesel maxi-way

some sour diesel grown under 400HPS with Pro silicate and Maxi Bloom. Thats IT! i think one or two waterings of epsom salt for cal-mg.

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bobman

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Hey maybe somebody can give me a hand here I am having a bit of trouble and it will be a few weeks until I can get a new ph meter. Old one is fried.

Basically up until a few months ago i was using liquid micro and bloom. Without using ph up or down it got me in the sweet zone.Everything was rolling good then I switched to maxibloom. Everything was going good for a while now I have some issues. Looks like lockout(purple stems, almost a burn look, leaf deformities, slow growth). Here are my questions.

My water is really hard(the type where it leaves a white residue of the res) and the ph is somewhere between 7.5 and 8. I would assume from my reading that my ph is not coming down that much and is too high because of my starting ph. If that is the case I can go back to my notes and make a rough guess on adding some down until I get a meter. But i am not sure if its too high or to low. Maybe someone with similiar water can chime in.

Also should a let my mix sit for a day before using? I used to do this when I first started using lucas to let the buffers work but then noticed it was not making a difference so i stopped so I could get a wider range of ph. Since switching to maxi i have not done that. Could that help?

Any help much needed and appreciated,
Thanks

P.s. I grow in all perlite hempy buckets
 

slowandeasy

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Yes, my brother uses maxi without ppm meter. If you use RO water use 3/4 tsp per gal, 3ml Magi-cal, and pro-tek silca to raise pH....about 3ml per gal. If you have a pH meter you will be golden. This mixture works great, most people use powdered Kool Bloom. Liquid KB is much different...good luck
 

slowandeasy

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I don't use tap water or Maxi to start seeds. Everyone has different tap water, but better to start low with seedlings. try 1/4 tsp Maxi. I find the most important part of starting seedlings in coco is to have small containers until the root take off good. If you have too much medium, the roots do not grow fast and you feed less often. If you have a small container, the roots seek moisture and grow faster....you also feed more often because they dry out faster. Bump up when they show signs up underfeeding. good luck
 

mean mr.mustard

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For those of you who use Kool Bloom at the end of feeding is that in addition to full strength Maxi Bloom?

I would think you could use less Maxi but I'm wondering if some use the base at all in the last few feedings....??

I just remember burning my girls easily with Kool Bloom so I quit using it altogether.... but I've been a fan of Maxi Bloom for years.

Maybe some input could get my Kool Bloom used up and off of my shelf :D

:joint:
 

mean mr.mustard

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1.can you grow with the maxi without ppm,i dont usually use ppm,only when theyr seedlings,so can you with this nutrients?

2.growing in coco coir,no additives,from seed,how much of this do you use,say in the first week of spouting,what are the rules for seedlings/sproutings?half a teaspoon?1/4?

also im gonna do a side by side,one side using maxi+monsterbloom

the other side using maxi+liquid k.b+dry k.b

which of these do ya think would be better?

I don't have a ppm meter so...

I grow in coco with no additives as well... it does seem to be harder to feed in lighter doses.

I did buy Maxi Grow back when and use it for my seedlings at a quarter strength... with pH down added as well. I use tap water and not RO so I'm sure that makes a difference.

I don't have a pH pen (they all seem to go downhill FAST) but I remember about what it used to take when I had a pen that did work and now have a strict recipe.

So longer answer for just one part of your question shorter: I use one teaspoon Maxi Grow for four gallons of water and 3 mL of GH pH down for all my seed to seedling stage.

After two or three nodes show I switch to full strength Maxi Bloom and continue through veg (and flower) like that.

:2cents:
 
Re: *The K.I.S.S. Method*

Between 7 and 8 of flower. The diesel is best if cut after 8 weeks. These were some very small SOG type plants. Not much quantity but quality was superb.

sent from my Droid RAZR Maxx JB
 

slowandeasy

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Between 7 and 8 of flower. The diesel is best if cut after 8 weeks. These were some very small SOG type plants. Not much quantity but quality was superb.

sent from my Droid RAZR Maxx JB[/QUOTE


Have you ever tried Coco? You might like it better than Perlite......Maxi and Canna Coco and a 1 gal Smart Pot will amaze you! Its too easy...
 

Maj.Cottonmouth

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I have a question for y'all but first I would like to say that I have used full strength Maxi on seedlings many times without any burn or other issues, doing it right now in fact.

Have any of you switched from Lucas to Maxi or more importantly from Maxi to Lucas and how did you feel the Lucas did compared to the Maxi? I have a couple gallons of GH Flora and I think I am going to use switch to Lucas to use it up and I was wondering how people thought it compared to KISS.
 
Re: *The K.I.S.S. Method*

Do i still put a hole like a hempy bucket? Yea i have considered coco but was told its kind of a novice medium. Im just wrapping up my 1st yr growing so i think i might be ready for a new challenge.

sent from my Droid RAZR Maxx JB
 

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