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*The K.I.S.S. Method*

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Hydro-Soil

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watts said:
i've heard of the lucas formula being 8/16 and 5/10

I'm running coco and want to use Maxibloom but how many grams is closer to the 5/10 or 6/9 nutrient profile? 7 grams of maxibloom has twice the amount of K the 6/9 recipie. Seems really high for coco. Everything else seems good.
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Please don't post the same question in multiple threads. Thanks.

Again...

Coco holds some of the nutrients so your ppm is going to be a bit higher than what you're currently feeding. Not much, but it's noticeable enough that the same strain might run 100-200ppm lower in coco than hydro.

0-5-10 is for flowering under low-level lighting such as Fluorescent lighting and has always been recommended by Lucas as such.

0-8-16 is what Lucas pushed as a baseline profile of nutrients that generally worked acceptably with all strains of cannabis... with minimal tweaking. 7 grams of MaxiBloom gives you 'almost' the same profile as 0-8-16

0-6-9 is a formula developed by H3ad for running Lucas in coco with their local tapwater... Some people need to add epsom salts, some don't.

Personally I ran about 3/4ths of a tsp of MaxiBloom in coco and had comparable results to a decent hydro run, nothing spectacular without tweaking. The one run I did with 0-6-9 in coco showed that it would need more tweaking to be workable in my situation. Results were not as good as MaxiBloom.

If you want exact numbers on your question you'll have to have someone mix up 5/10, 6/9 and various grams of MB and post the results.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 
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watts

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Hydro-Soil said:
Please don't post the same question in multiple threads. Thanks.

Again...

Coco holds some of the nutrients so your ppm is going to be a bit higher than what you're currently feeding. Not much, but it's noticeable enough that the same strain might run 100-200ppm lower in coco than hydro.

0-5-10 is for flowering under low-level lighting such as Fluorescent lighting and has always been recommended by Lucas as such.

0-8-16 is what Lucas pushed as a baseline profile of nutrients that generally worked acceptably with all strains of cannabis... with minimal tweaking. 7 grams of MaxiBloom gives you 'almost' the same profile as 0-8-16

0-6-9 is a formula developed by H3ad for running Lucas in coco with their local tapwater... Some people need to add epsom salts, some don't.

Personally I ran about 3/4ths of a tsp of MaxiBloom in coco and had comparable results to a decent hydro run, nothing spectacular without tweaking. The one run I did with 0-6-9 in coco showed that it would need more tweaking to be workable in my situation. Results were not as good as MaxiBloom.

If you want exact numbers on your question you'll have to have someone mix up 5/10, 6/9 and various grams of MB and post the results.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
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Thanks, I meant to post the question here instead of the other one.
 
Reg Dixon

Reg Dixon

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I'm just starting a new hand water coco grow using CFL in a tent measuring 2x2x5

I plan to modify the KISS formula a little adding 2g of 25/5/5 per 5g of Maxibloom in veg. Then I will modify and add a high P and K powdered fert to about the same ratio of Maxibloom in flower.
Also will use 1/2 a teaspoon of molasses per gallon of water.

How does this sound?
 
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Hydro-Soil

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Reg Dixon said:
I'm just starting a new hand water coco grow using CFL in a tent measuring 2x2x5

I plan to modify the KISS formula a little adding 2g of 25/5/5 per 5g of Maxibloom in veg. Then I will modify and add a high P and K powdered fert to about the same ratio of Maxibloom in flower.
Also will use 1/2 a teaspoon of molasses per gallon of water.

How does this sound?
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Sounds like you're adding variables to what you're doing.

Probably work ok... but have you done any grows with just MB?

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 
Jbonez

Jbonez

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Hydro-Soil said:
Please don't post the same question in multiple threads. Thanks.

Again...

Coco holds some of the nutrients so your ppm is going to be a bit higher than what you're currently feeding. Not much, but it's noticeable enough that the same strain might run 100-200ppm lower in coco than hydro.

0-5-10 is for flowering under low-level lighting such as Fluorescent lighting and has always been recommended by Lucas as such.

0-8-16 is what Lucas pushed as a baseline profile of nutrients that generally worked acceptably with all strains of cannabis... with minimal tweaking. 7 grams of MaxiBloom gives you 'almost' the same profile as 0-8-16

0-6-9 is a formula developed by H3ad for running Lucas in coco with their local tapwater... Some people need to add epsom salts, some don't.

Personally I ran about 3/4ths of a tsp of MaxiBloom in coco and had comparable results to a decent hydro run, nothing spectacular without tweaking. The one run I did with 0-6-9 in coco showed that it would need more tweaking to be workable in my situation. Results were not as good as MaxiBloom.

If you want exact numbers on your question you'll have to have someone mix up 5/10, 6/9 and various grams of MB and post the results.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
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Great post.

I can account first hand that the 6/9 needs tweaking depending on strain.. and Im contemplating using a slightly lower dose of maxibloom in place of 6/9 to see if I like the results.. I think that we have a similar take on coco in regards to our experience with it.. Im getting it pretty dialed, just a lot of trial and error, and compared to my old hydro or soil runs, a little more temperamental, but I love the medium otherwise and find it to be very rewarding.
 
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BullnAChinaShop

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Just want to say thanks to everyone for this thread. It has literally changed my life. I can't tell you the countless issues I used to have with soil, both mineral and organic nutes. Now my plants have never looked so healthy! And the vigor, just wow. Coco + Maxi + Drip Clean FTW!
 
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fungzyme

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Reg Dixon said:
I'm just starting a new hand water coco grow using CFL in a tent measuring 2x2x5

I plan to modify the KISS formula a little adding 2g of 25/5/5 per 5g of Maxibloom in veg. Then I will modify and add a high P and K powdered fert to about the same ratio of Maxibloom in flower.
Also will use 1/2 a teaspoon of molasses per gallon of water.

How does this sound?
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No offense, but that sounds N.S.A.A. (not simple at all) - definitely not K.I.S.S.

Maxibloom has worked great for me, even in coco. Although, if I were working with a nute sensitive strain and couldn't bump up to full strength quickly, I might start off (or pretreat the coco) with a little Ca/Mg to be safe.
 
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RSA

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Ok, question.

Growing in Pro-Mix BX (with some added perlite and EWC for veg)

I typically fill 8-12 (1) gallon jugs of tap water. Sometimes I have the time to let the water sit (chlorine evaporate) sometimes I don't. ph is usually around 7.

knowing this, if i had to water 20 or so plants and I usually water each 5 gal pot with 1/2 to 1 gallon of water, how do I know how much MaxiBloom to mix? the KISS thread says weight out 7g - but I'm not sure how that measures out to each individual 1 gallon jug of water.
 
rangergord

rangergord

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wow what an ordeal!

wow what an ordeal!

Well it has taken many days but I read the thread! As a result I have no questions except: Has anyone tried KISS with soil or coco? LOL! : )

I am working my way towards KISS. Bought a bag of Maxibloom. Have some AN 3 part, big bud, carboload, bud blood, overdrive and final flush to use up first. As I am running a flood and drain tray with hydroton and rockwool this should not take too long.

Thanks to all the thread contributors. I learned a lot. Like the idea of KISS and the price. Not convinced of the value of cal mag or silica blast etc. I am convinced that RO water is a good idea for many. I use rainwater instead. I think a lot of tapwater and most well water is just a contributor to problems. I find no evidence of cal/mag deficiencies in my current grow. Also noticed no one in this thread demonstrated how and when cal/mag deficiency occurred using MB or proved that calmag supplements were the solution. The idea that calmag is required with RO seems like more of a fuzzy notion to me.

Other than that this thread certainly proves that nutrient companies are selling snake oil to snake handling fundamentalists. We want to believe that you get what you pay for and that one nutrient is so much better than the other.
 
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VAtransplant

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Additional comments on KISS/coco

Additional comments on KISS/coco

I've been growing for the better part of a decade now between OG/icmag (god, I'm feeling old at 25). I just wanted to chime in though I know this post will get lost amidst the thousands of posts here. It happens - it's a message board, it's hard to make time to read through every post.

I grow with 60ppm tap water from the rockies - good to drink, good to grow with IMHO. I do have an TDS pen, and a pH pen (that has been left dry a million times and is 3 years old, probably blah at this point).

With that said, understand how difficult it is for people to estimate your pH or PPM. Would I say 7 grams per gallon is perfect for me given what comes out of the tap? Damn straight.

I'm pretty bad at looking in the infirmary and saying.. this is what's lacking, and here's how I can remedy it... I've done it, and I'm not sure I've ever hit the nail on the head. I grow in coco and always expect HELL when I transplant. I like my roots to expand before water logging, so they go in to very lightly moistened new coco and perlite at transplant. They yellow, some leaves die, they bounce back.

I experienced poor growth even after a recovery period when using ~6g/gal of maxibloom. I told myself for probably two harvests... 'Shoot, I'm just playing it safe, if they have these serious issues of massive leaf die off I probably need to add more calmag'.

When I started using 7g maxibloom once I knew anything had substantial roots, my grow entirely transformed. No leaf die off, perfectly green plants after transplanting in to their big/final pots and getting ready to flower.

I got hard headed this time around. My pH pen is whack, I'm using a new brand of coco, and my temperatures have been a little wonky. Here's what I did - I started out with 7g/gal maxibloom like I had learned in the past. I started mixing up 1 gal at a time. I stubbornly added some of my many year old calmag. Shit was awful, massive leaf die off. Temps in lower 80s..

I just started mixing 7mg maxibloom, and exactly 6ml of protekt (mainly to raise pH). It shows 5.5 on my wonky pH pen, right under 900 on my TDS pen (also uncalibrated), but you know what? It works. Back to green perfection.

So while you can ask every question under the sun from others, understand that shit varies. No one wants to lose plants, or spend days reading the infirmary, buying additives, etc... but keep it simple like the thread suggests. If your water is 800ppm out of the tap, I don't even know.. but do a little trial and error. It does take plants a while to recover, and some plants respond differently, but when you get it, you get it. Rock it. Don't forget it. Don't eff with it. Rock it til you move to a different region and your tap comes out entirely different.

Do not get frustrated with this method. If you have read the thread, especially most or all of the thread, you know what it can do. Don't assume that it's just not right for your setup, or your water. It CAN work, you just gotta play around with it. You're going to likely have to do that with any nute, and I'd hate to hear of anyone else bailing on this and subsequently forking out another $50+ for a new line of nutes. Ask some q's, but mainly, do trial and error, knowing that the cheapo bag you have before you CAN do what you need it to do.

G'luck, thanks to this thread, will never switch to anything else... if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I USE: Maxibloom, 7 grams per gal measured on my digital scale. Protekt, enough to bring me up to 5.5-5.7ph on my pH pen. Calibrate yours, let it sit in your mixed water for a bit (stirring, mixing), and adjust. Protekt is silica, I figure it helps with strength and tolerance. Mainly just for pH. I add Koolbloom powder a couple times per harvest, kinda per the Rez technique. Dunno if it helps, hasn't hermied my plants, hasn't killed anything. Shall continue. I also use a tiny bit of drip clean.

My entire nute line is just maxibloom, koolbloom sparingly, protekt, and dripclean. They're all cheap and last a 600watter many years. Do not ask the grow store guys about anything without researching!
 
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stella

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PPM way to high

PPM way to high

well, after re visiting this thread for some time, i decided to give it a shot. Problem is my tapwater is 500 ppm- yikes! When i add the 7g's of fert/gal, it shoots my ppm up to 1500. Seems real high to me. I got scared and added some RO water to bring it down to 1100. Should i use my ro with some cal-mag instead? i wanted to see if i could get around using the RO and make it as simple a grow as possible...
 
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dalilguy

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stella said:
well, after re visiting this thread for some time, i decided to give it a shot. Problem is my tapwater is 500 ppm- yikes! When i add the 7g's of fert/gal, it shoots my ppm up to 1500. Seems real high to me. I got scared and added some RO water to bring it down to 1100. Should i use my ro with some cal-mag instead? i wanted to see if i could get around using the RO and make it as simple a grow as possible...
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Do you know what conversion your ppm meter uses? I will definitely ditch that 500ppm water and go for RO or a 50/50 mix. I ran maxi at 7g a gal with 200ppm water (.4 ec) and had a great run under 1k's.

With my tap included it puts me at 2.2 ec (1100ppm on the 500 scale)
 
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stella

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thanks
here is a photo of my "old school" ppm meter. I called the company a while ago and asked what conversion they used, and they told me neither- and they had some proprietary algorrythm or something like that. I have bought calibration solution and can calibrate. I know the needle doesn't move at all with my RO water..Real hard water around here:(
anyone familiar with this? what should my baseline ppm be before i add the nutes to get the optimal level?
Im also using FFOF soil, and was going to feed every other watering to keep salt buildup to a minimum..
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