The Haze discussion thread

[@hempy]

From what I've seen, the questioning started after Nevil started posting at Mr. Nice Forum. He didn't do himself any favors.

Well all Nevil did was answer questions and talk about the Grail project.

Now we can go deeper into some of the drama but not sure that benefits any one.

I just dont get why we cant just chat about the cannabis the breeding and leave the politics or opinions out of it Cosmic.

Its a bit like a party soon as politics or religion is brought up your bound to cause and see drama.

 

[Donald Mallard]

When did Nevil lie Donald ?

Nevil was a recluse for decades and justifiably so considering the US government wanted him and even tried to kidnap him in Holland.

Sam's own story about Haze has changed over the years and yet you and others become very defensive of any one points that out.

Nevil logged online and was an open book in the years i became close with Nevil i heard many of his storys many times and not once did any of them change.

If it had i would of picked it up and knew he was bull shitting me.

Like it or not Nevil knew how to breed.

you seem to have selective hearing when it comes to nevil because a whole swag of people nevil did business with have said he lies ,
its quite common knowledge mate , how you dont know about it but seem to be aware of other things is quite stunning really ,
like it or not , nevil knew how to cross together things others had already bred ,

had you done business with him , im sure you would be saying the same things others have done ,
we were warned not to go near him business-wise because there was a long line of folks in holland that were not impressed with his tactics ,
you could ask kanga what its like doing business with nevil given he was the last victim of his frowned upon business tactics,
this is no secret and as i said how you manage to sweep it under the carpet while calling more respectable folks liers is absolutely beyond me mate ,
its almost like you think being nevils mate and as you put it , swinging off his nut sack , boosts your reputation and standing ... (bit of sarcasm there btw incase it goes un noticed, lol)

 

[Donald Mallard]

I dont get this on line ego fest mate honestly.

We have a guy called Sam who was given Haze seed and we have a guy called Nevil that bought Haze seed and that there is the reality of it all.

The history is what each did with the seed from were i sit.

The sad part is the attacking of Nevil all started and heated up after his death and what they are trying to do is re write his history.

no one is trying to rewrite his history ,(well other than you)
some of it is inaccurate , we are trying to get the truth out ,
like that bag of seeds with 69 written on it for example,
that came directly from guys who never made more than enough seed to grow the next season,

or that , as you and your cronies continually repeated ,
"nevil got seeds directly from the haze brothers ,"
remember that little beauty that u cant seem to own???

 

[@hempy]

Who did Nevil do business with in the way of partnerships that you know personally Donald ?.

You claimed Nevil ripped off Kangas took his plants but what you fail to say is that Nevil also contributed a lot of genetics to the project they both started to work on.

Nevil shared all these genetics with him also and this should not involve not one of us..

Things didn't work out Kanga did his thing Nevil his.

In the real business world even family business hardly works out .

Who else did Nevil have as a partner ? Shanti well both chose to keep there business separation privet publicly.

Only other partner Nevil had was Ajan and that was with The Green House coffee shop it had nothing to do with plants or plant breeding.

He worked for Sensi he was not a partner.

What Nevil did has no involvement with any of us all that should matter is the genetics he sold and offered the community.

 

[@hempy]

This is the Inquisition of Nevil conducted by perfect humans demanding justice by an online jury that hate Nevil lol.

 

[fat freddy]

edit, cause this thread is a waste of space

 

[JKD]

“Importantly, many false statements are not lies; people who make or spread them sincerely believe them to be true. Falsehoods are a broad category of which lies are a mere part. Some people say what they know to be false. Others are reckless; it should be obvious they are spouting falsehoods, but they do not know that is what they are doing. Some other people are simply mistaken; they had reason to say what they did, but they turned out to be wrong. These differences matter. When we are deciding whether a falsehood can or should be punished or regulated, it might be crucial to know whether the speaker was a liar, or reckless, or merely mistaken.”

Cass R Sunstein. Possibly talking about haze mythology.

 

[Donald Mallard]

This is the Inquisition of Nevil conducted by perfect humans demanding justice by an online jury that hate Nevil lol.

Not justice just truth rather the the hempy and or nevil truth would be fine...
what about partners? I never said that, just folks he did business with..
Of the partners he had that I knew both said the same thing with regard to business ethics..
.

 

[midwestkid]

It's a very good question. type 4 chemotype of cannabis exists in Japanese, korean, Siberia, and sometimes Hungarian landraces. It's main cannabinoid is cbg and contains at least 5% of its fraction of cbg monomethyl ether.minor cannabinoids are thc and cbc and/or cbd. Instead of having a bt (thc)or bd(cbd) allele it has a bo allele. This o allele is deficient in synthesizing either cbd or thc resulting in cbga decarbing to cbg. So a bot allelevis deficient in turning cbga into thc and a bod allele is deficient in turning cbga into cbd. Plant could have one or both. If both then nearly entire cannabinoid fraction is cbg and cbgm. Cbgm is a monomethyl ether usually ethers are strongly aromatic and potent for example morphine is the ether of poppy opium..
A great research paper was done which crossed type 4 to a thc dom and cbd dom. The thc cross f1 results were all strongly thc dom with cbg content in some and 10 to 15 perxebt if fraction cbd. The f2 segregation included 3 chemotypes 1. All cbg with minor cbd 2. All thc with cbg and minor cbd 3. All thc cbd no cbg. The 2 chemotype closely mirror tge nevil male progeny. Here are tge charts.
also to consider is cbga vs cbg. The grinspoon profiles show an even split 1.4 cbga 1.4 cbg. While others such as nevil haze show all cbga. You could hypothesize that the grinspoon created cbg purposely while nevil haze had an incredible cvga synthesizing capability(possibly from aneuploid) that its thc synthase can't keep up with or that it's wild progenitors were semi deciduous or perenial. Worth noting that both monoterpenols and cbga share tge same precursor(gpp) so the insane amounts of linalool and cbga definitely show an above average capability to produce gpp.

I'm really liking this info you are dropping here. Please keep it up. It's really over my head, but I can read it and pretend like I understand. I really like origin stories and I'm a sucker for a good mystery.
i prefer reading your posts instead of listening to these old farts bicker back and forth.
it's a pleasant change. Thanks

 

[harvestreaper]

I dont get this on line ego fest mate honestly.

We have a guy called Sam who was given Haze seed and we have a guy called Nevil that bought Haze seed and that there is the reality of it all.

The history is what each did with the seed from were i sit.

The sad part is the attacking of Nevil all started and heated up after his death and what they are trying to do is re write his history.

no ego fest here hempy i just told you my experiance of life that could relate to me you todd nev anyone was my point ,,,,none are my heroes i can only love respect humans no worship ,,,ive made it clear if i dont know something i say ,,as to what i lived thru an witnessed well that diffrent i can only get amused when people who wernt around or born tell me what went down etc and if they been running fake narratives that there own silly fault and it sure as shit aint respectful to nev or anyone else they better hope my generation hurry up an die so we sont mess up the show

 

[harvestreaper]

This is the Inquisition of Nevil conducted by perfect humans demanding justice by an online jury that hate Nevil lol.

not here brother ,

 

[harvestreaper]

Colombians are fascinating for the exactly reason you said the depth of high. Like punton rojo just randomly has cbd and is the starting point for haze! So many diverse climates having rainforest and crazy mountains like Santa marta. Been reading about austronesians dispersing out of Taiwan. There's some genetic and cultural evidence they could have made it to Peru on those outrigger canos based on a halplotype and introduced sweet potatos. But can't say for sure they came by sea technically could have walked over land bridge. Cannabis seems like somethin seafaring people would bring everywhere with them.

this is exactly what i mean as to true origins in the big picture not just modern history very difficult to be accurate ,,, the mind boggles ,,, gonna be fun finding out tho keep up the good work

 

[harvestreaper]

as an outsider a haze nevil an sam fan the only problem here is people trying to divide because of there own feelings,,, oh if you say this you hate nev or you say that you hate sam are you fuking kidding an your grown men an proper haze smokers ???? yea my mind is boggl;ing today time to bake i think

 

[harvestreaper]

weres flower power hes either orbiting the moon or trying to avoid his high gerting ruined ,,,hope its the former hope your havin fun fp

 

[harvestreaper]

“Importantly, many false statements are not lies; people who make or spread them sincerely believe them to be true. Falsehoods are a broad category of which lies are a mere part. Some people say what they know to be false. Others are reckless; it should be obvious they are spouting falsehoods, but they do not know that is what they are doing. Some other people are simply mistaken; they had reason to say what they did, but they turned out to be wrong. These differences matter. When we are deciding whether a falsehood can or should be punished or regulated, it might be crucial to know whether the speaker was a liar, or reckless, or merely mistaken.”

Cass R Sunstein. Possibly talking about haze mythology.

good ;points well made ,,,its only decievers that are delberate and the most distracting from truth ,,as we can all make mistakes

 

[harvestreaper]

in an attempt to put to bed who sam or nev lied to ,,if you wernt there you dont know ,,,,the end ..if sam or nev told you personally then you have more than most to go on and form your own idea but i repeat if you wernt there you simply dont know so please stop embarrassing yourselves

 

[@hempy]

no ego fest here hempy i just told you my experiance of life that could relate to me you todd nev anyone was my point ,,,,none are my heroes i can only love respect humans no worship ,,,ive made it clear if i dont know something i say ,,as to what i lived thru an witnessed well that diffrent i can only get amused when people who wernt around or born tell me what went down etc and if they been running fake narratives that there own silly fault and it sure as shit aint respectful to nev or anyone else they better hope my generation hurry up an die so we sont mess up the show

My comment (I dont get this on line ego fest mate honestly.) was not directed at you mate.

We have a guy called Sam who was given Haze seed and we have a guy called Nevil that bought Haze seed and that is the reality of it all.

The history of Haze should be about what each did with the seed .

 

[harvestreaper]

My comment (I dont get this on line ego fest mate honestly.) was not directed at you mate.

We have a guy called Sam who was given Haze seed and we have a guy called Nevil that bought Haze seed and that is the reality of it all.

The history of Haze should be about what each did with the seed .

apologies sometimes i find it hard to tell.,,thought i better cover meself just in case .. and yes absolutely both should be credited for the huge impact they made in there own diffrent ways ,to cannabis history ,no one saying what came from nevil was bred by sam or vice verca there nothing to fear the respect is there by the unnaffected ,, adding or taking away is disrespectful to all parties and haze history imo ,,,,you know its very wierd and perverce for me to be in these convos,,, back in the day i was like an unpaid preacher for nevils work based only on merit of his cross ,,out in the real world,, not for a few months ,,,years ,,now i didnt know anyone like that back then even my friends that gave me the cuts didnt care they had theres crack on which is fine its nothing to brag about at all i put it down to some obssesive tendencies i have,,, but to be here 30 years later and people talking what is and what aint respect for nev based on there own current narrative is bemusing to say the least ,,maybe todds haze is stronger than i thought lol

 

[@hempy]

apologies sometimes i find it hard to tell.,,thought i better cover meself just in case .. and yes absolutely both should be credited for the huge impact they made in there own diffrent ways ,,no one saying what came from nevil was bred by sam or vice verca there nothing to fear the respect is there by the unnaffected ,, adding or taking away is disrespectful to all parties and haze history imo

No need to apologize mate all good.

Every one selling flower or breeding in Holland was there to make money so that part of it has never interested me. Or has what people did in their privet lives.

My interest has always been about the genetics and what the genetics end up producing.

 

[Donald Mallard]

apologies sometimes i find it hard to tell.,,thought i better cover meself just in case .. and yes absolutely both should be credited for the huge impact they made in there own diffrent ways ,to cannabis history ,no one saying what came from nevil was bred by sam or vice verca there nothing to fear the respect is there by the unnaffected ,, adding or taking away is disrespectful to all parties and haze history imo ,,,,you know its very wierd and perverce for me to be in these convos,,, back in the day i was like an unpaid preacher for nevils work based only on merit of his cross ,,out in the real world,, not for a few months ,,,years ,,now i didnt know anyone like that back then even my friends that gave me the cuts didnt care they had theres crack on which is fine its nothing to brag about at all i put it down to some obssesive tendencies i have,,, but to be here 30 years later and people talking what is and what aint respect for nev based on there own current narrative is bemusing to say the least ,,maybe todds haze is stronger than i thought lol

so its pretty good pot harvest??

nice to hear ,

if you look back a few pages you ll see the reason i gave hemps a bit of a ribbing was him saying todd was lying and didnt know what he was talking about ,
well i figure since he doesnt know the guy thats pretty rough so i defended him since he sounded like an ok guy based on his potcast and his rep seems quite intact,
no one else has said anything bad about the guy, its all been good,

he just said a few things about nevil that hempy didnt like to hear , so he becomes a liar etc ,

heck the old bugger even said i swung off nevils nuts a few pages ago , posts of me doing it were all over mns apparently ,
but he hasnt found one yet to come back to show me ,
apparently i got his mate banned too , for sharing seeds
but he cant prove that either , of course neither things happened ,
just a bloody drama queen with nothing to back it up ...

i understand reading through this sort of stuff can be a bit testing,
but i like folks to be accountable for what they post ,
that is starting to happen on social media now , so it should here also ,
kinda goes without saying really , but some folks need to be told ...