The Haze discussion thread

[TheDarkStorm]

I've been out sick for nearly a week. Thought I screwed the cure on my haze's. Turns out I got the corona shit and it nearly instantly destroyed my olfactory capabilities then it went completely down hill from there! Opened a couple jars and absolutely no scent, none whatsoever. Tried a smoke and then it hit me. Hope the cure didnt get screwed in the process. Atleast its nice looking. Scared to smoke one until I can go a few days without chest pains.

Be careful LostTribe an look after your chest...cuz thats how the virus really gets to your body an starts doing the damage. Hopefully you get back to 100% really soon.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Can I ask what is the definition of a new strain, an how is it put together. An is it just a fancy new name that makes the new strain or can one just label a new hybrid for what it is yet still get credit for it... Would someone who just picked seeds out of weed or someone who just grew one hybrid an one pure strain in a field together wich accidentally ended up getting crossed be the same as someone who went out of there way to source the very best, or someone who actually searched through the seeds an tested how good each plant was by out crossing to find the very best breeding plants in a strain, sometimes even reversing males an females to get a better picture...who then used those very best breeding plants to create new f1's....or is a new strain just takings someone elses work an just f2-ing it an then rebranding it as something completely new an taking credit for its creation....its difficult to understand everyones defenition of a new strain an how its created in the best way.

 

[Piff_cat]

Can the elevated CBG levels be related to the long flowering plant still putting out fresh growth? With an early harvest that fresh CBG may not be converted to > THC yet.

PiffCat Have you found any other tests that have similar cbg:thc profiles?

It's a very good question. type 4 chemotype of cannabis exists in Japanese, korean, Siberia, and sometimes Hungarian landraces. It's main cannabinoid is cbg and contains at least 5% of its fraction of cbg monomethyl ether.minor cannabinoids are thc and cbc and/or cbd. Instead of having a bt (thc)or bd(cbd) allele it has a bo allele. This o allele is deficient in synthesizing either cbd or thc resulting in cbga decarbing to cbg. So a bot allelevis deficient in turning cbga into thc and a bod allele is deficient in turning cbga into cbd. Plant could have one or both. If both then nearly entire cannabinoid fraction is cbg and cbgm. Cbgm is a monomethyl ether usually ethers are strongly aromatic and potent for example morphine is the ether of poppy opium..
A great research paper was done which crossed type 4 to a thc dom and cbd dom. The thc cross f1 results were all strongly thc dom with cbg content in some and 10 to 15 perxebt if fraction cbd. The f2 segregation included 3 chemotypes 1. All cbg with minor cbd 2. All thc with cbg and minor cbd 3. All thc cbd no cbg. The 2 chemotype closely mirror tge nevil male progeny. Here are tge charts.
also to consider is cbga vs cbg. The grinspoon profiles show an even split 1.4 cbga 1.4 cbg. While others such as nevil haze show all cbga. You could hypothesize that the grinspoon created cbg purposely while nevil haze had an incredible cvga synthesizing capability(possibly from aneuploid) that its thc synthase can't keep up with or that it's wild progenitors were semi deciduous or perenial. Worth noting that both monoterpenols and cbga share tge same precursor(gpp) so the insane amounts of linalool and cbga definitely show an above average capability to produce gpp.

 

[flower~power]

Good afternoon Haze Heads got some ICMAG Haze ! it’s been curing for around 4 months & turned a very nice green gold color and it’s very frosty ....i’ve been stone cold sober for the past six weeks ..but I think today might be the time … and I will be feeling like this (quite sure)

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[CosmicGiggle]

I'll be awaiting your smoke report, should be good!

 

[midwestkid]

Damn, wear a helmet flower power! Can't wait to hear how your travels go!

 

[harvestreaper]

flowerpower now thats how to do it ,,,lovely looking haze great job,,6 weeks sober ?your gonna be speaking in tongues lol


might join you later with some leather smellin todds pheno 3

 

[Donald Mallard]

The Quotes i posted were directly from Nevil him self CANNATORIUM is it possible its a cross he him self made by combining say NL1 and NL8 .

I have smoked NL but never grown it as i never liked the affect personally.

I dont watch to many pod casts now as there is to much misinformation in them.

todd was friends with nl greg
the guy nevil got the nl from ,
that information i posted came from greg via todd ,
like i said maybe nevil didnt get the whole lot of nl hybrids made hence that information not being up to date or wrong ..

i like to avoid misinformation too , there has been some on this thread from time to time ,
about origins of haze particularly ,
its best we go back to the sources beyond nevil to collect the information ,
his interpretation has changed some things and may not always be correct ....

 

[harvestreaper]

My personal theory is that some western Mexican states and pacific side colombians like cauca came from Phillipines. Very strong resemblance between mango biche and Kalinga. And the new lakitan from Phillipines has scorpion phenos just like punto rojo. Then you've got south africa which has 5 or 6 landraces which have unique alleles not found in any other landrace with exception of Nigeria and choco chiba colombian. A really cool paper I read was on mitochondrial haplotypes. Since there is no recombination it shows some interesting relations.

all good stuff i have no idea of origins i bet pirates liked a puff lol i always thought the native americans were eygyptians for example pyramids headress sun worship etc hardley scientific i know the movement of people i think is very sketchy thru history america perfect modern example of the bullshit wrote in history bunch of europeans went to a land stole it murderd the poplation created slavery via banking without choice destroyed the fauna flora polutted land animals an humans an describe native americans as savages an themsleves as civilised bringing the poor savages out of the dark ,,,its old story,,, here in england we been writing the same bullshit even longer we were all half ape cavemen up to our knees in pigshit til the romans came an taught how to wipe our asses lol but we doing international trade with advanced civilizations long before the roman empoire existed but our history starts with our slavery to them ,,exuse the rant lol i guess im saying anything possible with what we got to go on with written history i think the dna will show who was first in descent an who is kin but origins im not sure ,, great that people like yourself are looking into it some of the things you post to sciency for my little brain me make me eyes wobble lol the choco chiba was interesting had so called indica charateritics heavy buds yeild nice resin but smoked sativa in the head ,,for me this does not mean it wernt a hybrid or even pure indica in origin as indicas can sometimes have very sativa like effects ime

 

[@hempy]

todd was friends with nl greg
the guy nevil got the nl from ,
that information i posted came from greg via todd ,
like i said maybe nevil didnt get the whole lot of nl hybrids made hence that information not being up to date or wrong ..

i like to avoid misinformation too , there has been some on this thread from time to time ,
about origins of haze particularly ,
its best we go back to the sources beyond nevil to collect the information ,
his interpretation has changed some things and may not always be correct ....

Nevil got the NL seeds sent to him from growers Greg was one guy and i am not sure if he even gave Nevil seeds and to be honest the story of him finding seed at his sisters after she passed decades later i dont buy.

The NL growers breeders all lost there genetics because of busts not long after they sent Nevil seed.

Some have posted disputing many things Greg has claimed.

Like i said i dont take what is said in pod casts as gospel most of it is untrue or a version they want people to believe.

Todd proved what he was claiming as 100% facts was untrue in how Nevil got bail alone.

So if one part of your claims is a lie how much of the rest of what you claim is true .

 

[@hempy]

Cannabis was spread far and wide when nations explored the new world and opened up new trade routes.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Good afternoon Haze Heads got some ICMAG Haze ! it’s been curing for around 4 months & turned a very nice green gold color and it’s very frosty ....i’ve been stone cold sober for the past six weeks ..but I think today might be the time … and I will be feeling like this (quite sure)

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Looks well aged and hazy AF, Flower Power. Can’t wait for the deets.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

flowerpower now thats how to do it ,,,lovely looking haze great job,,6 weeks sober ?your gonna be speaking in tongues lol


might join you later with some leather smellin todds pheno 3

Love those large crystallized calyxes, harvest! Let’s hear about that one as well. I grew a SSSDH plant the past couple of seasons from the Rez/OJD collaboration and it is leathery as fuck. Denser than the pure haze, of course it’s got hybrid effect or appeal…but I love that sniff of old leather shop when I open the jars.

 

[harvestreaper]

'@UrHunblnrator this pheno certainly fits the criteria for those saying its nh x oh lol not saying it is as i dont know but it reminds me a lot of the old nl5,xhaze in terps happy positive mildly trippy great with music its a little muddier than what i seek from a good haze but i like her enuff overall to use her to make f2s,, the pheno 7 is the strongest from first batch from todd and closest to what i seek high wise so i will try make f2s from pheno 3 and 7 ..i may make some fem seeds to each other to see what comes i think the mix of both would be even closer to ideal

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nevil got the NL seeds sent to him from growers Greg was one guy and i am not sure if he even gave Nevil seeds and to be honest the story of him finding seed at his sisters after she passed decades later i dont buy.

The NL growers breeders all lost there genetics because of busts not long after they sent Nevil seed.

Some have posted disputing many things Greg has claimed.

Like i said i dont take what is said in pod casts as gospel most of it is untrue or a version they want people to believe.

Todd proved what he was claiming as 100% facts was untrue in how Nevil got bail alone.

So if one part of your claims is a lie how much of the rest of what you claim is true .

with that in mind we cant believe anything nevil said after he first "lied" either ,
thats not how things work hempy and u know it man ,
using that logic nevil is a very unreliable source of information,
and so are you by repeating nevil got seeds directly from the haze brothers over and over and over ...

of course everything everyone says is "their version"
just like yours is , folks interprete things differently ,
some embellish things ,, some outright lie , some repeat stuff told by others that is inaccurate or untrue ,

greg was the guy who originally got the purest indica seed and reproduced it and all things nl stemmed from there ,
the guy who he got it off has been mentioned ,
you not believing it does not make it untrue,
given the fairy tales you believe , you are also not an accurate source of information either ,
as long as nevil told you , its true in your books ...

 

[harvestreaper]

Nevil got the NL seeds sent to him from growers Greg was one guy and i am not sure if he even gave Nevil seeds and to be honest the story of him finding seed at his sisters after she passed decades later i dont buy.

The NL growers breeders all lost there genetics because of busts not long after they sent Nevil seed.

Some have posted disputing many things Greg has claimed.

Like i said i dont take what is said in pod casts as gospel most of it is untrue or a version they want people to believe.

Todd proved what he was claiming as 100% facts was untrue in how Nevil got bail alone.

So if one part of your claims is a lie how much of the rest of what you claim is true .

ime some people will lie or tell truth to diffrent people about the same thing at diffrent times in there life ,, they lie about something then later tell truth ,,,but dont ask me why lol

 

[@hempy]

with that in mind we cant believe anything nevil said after he first "lied" either ,
thats not how things work hempy and u know it man ,
using that logic nevil is a very unreliable source of information,
and so are you by repeating nevil got seeds directly from the haze brothers over and over and over ...

of course everything everyone says is "their version"
just like yours is , folks interprete things differently ,
some embellish things ,, some outright lie , some repeat stuff told by others that is inaccurate or untrue ,

greg was the guy who originally got the purest indica seed and reproduced it and all things nl stemmed from there ,
the guy who he got it off has been mentioned ,
you not believing it does not make it untrue,
given the fairy tales you believe , you are also not an accurate source of information either ,
as long as nevil told you , its true in your books ...

When did Nevil lie Donald ?

Nevil was a recluse for decades and justifiably so considering the US government wanted him and even tried to kidnap him in Holland.

Sam's own story about Haze has changed over the years and yet you and others become very defensive of any one points that out.

Nevil logged online and was an open book in the years i became close with Nevil i heard many of his storys many times and not once did any of them change.

If it had i would of picked it up and knew he was bull shitting me.

Like it or not Nevil knew how to breed.

 

[@hempy]

ime some people will lie or tell truth to diffrent people about the same thing at diffrent times in there life ,, they lie about something then later tell truth ,,,but dont ask me why lol

I dont get this on line ego fest mate honestly.

We have a guy called Sam who was given Haze seed and we have a guy called Nevil that bought Haze seed and that there is the reality of it all.

The history is what each did with the seed from were i sit.

The sad part is the attacking of Nevil all started and heated up after his death and what they are trying to do is re write his history.

 

[Piff_cat]

all good stuff i have no idea of origins i bet pirates liked a puff lol i always thought the native americans were eygyptians for example pyramids headress sun worship etc hardley scientific i know the movement of people i think is very sketchy thru history america perfect modern example of the bullshit wrote in history bunch of europeans went to a land stole it murderd the poplation created slavery via banking without choice destroyed the fauna flora polutted land animals an humans an describe native americans as savages an themsleves as civilised bringing the poor savages out of the dark ,,,its old story,,, here in england we been writing the same bullshit even longer we were all half ape cavemen up to our knees in pigshit til the romans came an taught how to wipe our asses lol but we doing international trade with advanced civilizations long before the roman empoire existed but our history starts with our slavery to them ,,exuse the rant lol i guess im saying anything possible with what we got to go on with written history i think the dna will show who was first in descent an who is kin but origins im not sure ,, great that people like yourself are looking into it some of the things you post to sciency for my little brain me make me eyes wobble lol the choco chiba was interesting had so called indica charateritics heavy buds yeild nice resin but smoked sativa in the head ,,for me this does not mean it wernt a hybrid or even pure indica in origin as indicas can sometimes have very sativa like effects ime

Colombians are fascinating for the exactly reason you said the depth of high. Like punton rojo just randomly has cbd and is the starting point for haze! So many diverse climates having rainforest and crazy mountains like Santa marta. Been reading about austronesians dispersing out of Taiwan. There's some genetic and cultural evidence they could have made it to Peru on those outrigger canos based on a halplotype and introduced sweet potatos. But can't say for sure they came by sea technically could have walked over land bridge. Cannabis seems like somethin seafaring people would bring everywhere with them.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

............The sad part is the attacking of Nevil all started and heated up after his death and what they are trying to do is re write his history.

From what I've seen, the questioning started after Nevil started posting at Mr. Nice Forum. He didn't do himself any favors.