The Haze discussion thread

[GoatCheese]

Colombians are fascinating for the exactly reason you said the depth of high. Like punton rojo just randomly has cbd and is the starting point for haze! So many diverse climates having rainforest and crazy mountains like Santa marta. Been reading about austronesians dispersing out of Taiwan. There's some genetic and cultural evidence they could have made it to Peru on those outrigger canos based on a halplotype and introduced sweet potatos. But can't say for sure they came by sea technically could have walked over land bridge. Cannabis seems like somethin seafaring people would bring everywhere with them.

You have to take in account that the Punto Rojo the original Haze-grower bought came from a commercial grow, and just like the original haze-grower did when he started selling weed, the Columbians might have sold the purple plants as Punto Rojo and green plants as Columbian Gold from the same field.
So, imo, it could be wrong to assume the weed farm in Columbia was growing PURE Punto Rojo strain, it also could have been a sativa hybrid already in Columbia.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

'@UrHunblnrator this pheno certainly fits the criteria for those saying its nh x oh lol not saying it is as i dont know but it reminds me a lot of the old nl5,xhaze in terps happy positive mildly trippy great with music its a little muddier than what i seek from a good haze but i like her enuff overall to use her to make f2s,, the pheno 7 is the strongest from first batch from todd and closest to what i seek high wise so i will try make f2s from pheno 3 and 7 ..i may make some fem seeds to each other to see what comes i think the mix of both would be even closer to ideal

Sounds delicious enough, harvest. The SSSDH is definitely a bit muddy in the haze department, but most everyone likes it. A lot. I’m slowly convincing my SoCal people to re-embrace their haze inheritance. That pheno of yours looks well deserved of F2.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

You have to take in account that the Punto Rojo the original Haze-grower bought came from a commercial grow, and just like the original haze-grower did when he started selling weed, the Columbians might have sold the purple plants as Punto Rojo and green plants as Columbian Gold from the same field.
So, imo, it could be wrong to assume the weed farm in Columbia was growing PURE Punto Rojo strain, it also could have been a sativa hybrid already in Columbia.

before he said it was punto rojo…

It had several Colombian lines like Santa Marta Gold, Wacky weed.
You must remember that Purple colors can be induced in some clones by cold, while other lines turn purple regardless of temps.

-SamS

 

[RingtailCanyon]

Sam also writes that he got different info from the 2 haze growers.

I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS

 

[Piff_cat]

Wow this is really good info thanks man. It seems Indonesia is the most ancient ganja location mentioned. There's also a connection with Madagascar ganja coming from boreal. Madagascar also the furthest expansion of the austroneisan outrigger canoes.. seems east Africa had very very early ganja exposure. And they have no history of fiber hemp to dilute the drug pool.. here are a couple quotes on subject.

 

[Piff_cat]

one more piffcat...

This is what makes haze and colombian landraces so fascinating to me. Finding out haze comes from colombia is only the first piece of puzzle. The companies brining all these landraces and abandoning them created an accidental perfect storm of hybridization with ancient nld landraces. Tge original germplasm plus the unclear situation regarding existing strains already there. The climate of location in colombia+ the previous enviorment/crop use + existing rare alleles of original home. South africa in particular has its own cannabis biosphere due to variety of elevations which has been the most determining factor is haplotype variation. One of very few places found to contain 0 cbd. This chart from irrazig maps out different possible combinations

 

[goingrey]

Wow this is really good info thanks man. It seems Indonesia is the most ancient ganja location mentioned. There's also a connection with Madagascar ganja coming from boreal. Madagascar also the furthest expansion of the austroneisan outrigger canoes.. seems east Africa had very very early ganja exposure. And they have no history of fiber hemp to dilute the drug pool.. here are a couple quotes on subject.

Thanks, this is very interesting.

If anyone wants to read the full paper it is available here:
https://binary.pensoft.net/file/390918

 

[harvestreaper]

so its pretty good pot harvest??

nice to hear ,

if you look back a few pages you ll see the reason i gave hemps a bit of a ribbing was him saying todd was lying and didnt know what he was talking about ,
well i figure since he doesnt know the guy thats pretty rough so i defended him since he sounded like an ok guy based on his potcast and his rep seems quite intact,
no one else has said anything bad about the guy, its all been good,

he just said a few things about nevil that hempy didnt like to hear , so he becomes a liar etc ,

heck the old bugger even said i swung off nevils nuts a few pages ago , posts of me doing it were all over mns apparently ,
but he hasnt found one yet to come back to show me ,
apparently i got his mate banned too , for sharing seeds
but he cant prove that either , of course neither things happened ,
just a bloody drama queen with nothing to back it up ...

i understand reading through this sort of stuff can be a bit testing,
but i like folks to be accountable for what they post ,
that is starting to happen on social media now , so it should here also ,
kinda goes without saying really , but some folks need to be told ...

hi donald yea its good pot .im a bit embarrassed by my poor smoke reports i been smoking so much last few years its like asking a drunk for the nuances of a single malt lol i need to follow fp an have a decent break to be fair on the plants and people i understand and see were you coming from donald i often see it same way but you an hempy oooo eeee its like an old married couple lol if i was chairman of the world haze preservation society id force you two to shake hands and promise not to argue before i let you in the door lol an thats nuts cos you both got more to contribute than i ever could lol both got so muxch to bring to the table ,,,the truth is not for proving here its not a court or science lab we all need to compromise a little us insesitive ones an yawl senstives ones and meet in the middle ...,,,,bottom line none of us can believe anything until its proven to us ourselves as individuals ..licking what you hear or best offer you heard aint proving a thing ,,most of us will never be able to prove some of these points so its best to use what we got an know and is tangable like jc golli mac tom todd are doing ,,one more point lets not pretend sam or nevil are above lying just as no one else on the planet is they both true legends but they aint jesus an moses ,,,,there gotta be a rational cut off point lol

 

[harvestreaper]

pheno 7 at 24 wk and 17 wk chopped same day

 

[harvestreaper]

Sounds delicious enough, harvest. The SSSDH is definitely a bit muddy in the haze department, but most everyone likes it. A lot. I’m slowly convincing my SoCal people to re-embrace their haze inheritance. That pheno of yours looks well deserved of F2.

all todds are very tasty ,,one was like ,,well you know something you want to dive head first into lol unfortunately keeps hermying so itll have to go,,the 3 an 7 have been extreme tested for stress and are solid,,, never grown the sssdh im guesing its supersilver sour deisal haze quite a name,,,, not smoked ssh in a long time dont think i ever smoked sd sounds like itd be a tasty potent cash cropper

 

[GreenAndFast]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[harvestreaper]

Sorry wrong thread

was you gonna make a undramatic post or something lol

 

[GreenAndFast]

 

[GreenAndFast]

all todds are very tasty ,,one was like ,,well you know something you want to dive head first into lol unfortunately keeps hermying so itll have to go,,the 3 an 7 have been extreme tested for stress and are solid,,, never grown the sssdh im guesing its supersilver sour deisal haze quite a name,,,, not smoked ssh in a long time dont think i ever smoked sd sounds like itd be a tasty potent cash cropper

I've grown and smoked quite a few SD's and the fact they call it a sativa leaning hybrid does a disservice to actual sativa hybrids. Just some boring indica again. Bit of drama haha

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

all todds are very tasty ,,one was like ,,well you know something you want to dive head first into lol unfortunately keeps hermying so itll have to go,,the 3 an 7 have been extreme tested for stress and are solid,,, never grown the sssdh im guesing its supersilver sour deisal haze quite a name,,,, not smoked ssh in a long time dont think i ever smoked sd sounds like itd be a tasty potent cash cropper

Sounds amazing…minus the hermi stuff. Yeah, the Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze (say that 5 times fast after smoking some). She’s pretty cash crop friendly though that’s not really my bag. I pulled 17 oz’s off her outdoors last season and that wasn’t doing a whole lot to maximize her potential. She’s a leathery, sour thing. I didn’t keep that cut, so moving on. Definitely a hybrid effect. Not like a pure haze.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I've grown and smoked quite a few SD's and the fact they call it a sativa leaning hybrid does a disservice to actual sativa hybrids. Just some boring indica again. Bit of drama haha

SSSDH is definitely a hybrid. Particular plant pheno would suggest whether it leans more sativa or indica. The leathery plant I’ve grown the past few seasons leans into sativa…but it’s nowhere near pure.

 

[harvestreaper]

lets go back way back ,,,,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yIREvW9ar8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlXy-WHB78

 

[Hammerhead]

THH X P41

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Animal Mints x OT1OH

 

[RoyalFlush]

todd was friends with nl greg
the guy nevil got the nl from ,
that information i posted came from greg via todd ,
like i said maybe nevil didnt get the whole lot of nl hybrids made hence that information not being up to date or wrong ..

i like to avoid misinformation too , there has been some on this thread from time to time ,
about origins of haze particularly ,
its best we go back to the sources beyond nevil to collect the information ,
his interpretation has changed some things and may not always be correct ....

You honestly don't have to be a psychologist to see the "source" is an egotistical pathological liar that has & will change things to fit their narrative.

You're a smart man Donald, I know damn well you know the "source" is unreliable which is why all this Haze bickering is useless.