The Haze discussion thread

[Piff_cat]

lots of africans taken there ,,,same as places like oaxaca,,,but pre european cultutres the mind boggles

My personal theory is that some western Mexican states and pacific side colombians like cauca came from Phillipines. Very strong resemblance between mango biche and Kalinga. And the new lakitan from Phillipines has scorpion phenos just like punto rojo. Then you've got south africa which has 5 or 6 landraces which have unique alleles not found in any other landrace with exception of Nigeria and choco chiba colombian. A really cool paper I read was on mitochondrial haplotypes. Since there is no recombination it shows some interesting relations.

 

[flower~power]

This is very typical of New York State ..The land of high taxes & They will send out a road crew of six to fill one pothole..The office of cannabis management website has been static for months with no updates whatsoever… I could qualify for social equity consideration and a micro license to get a legal , and then sell to recreational dispensaries ( which don’t exist yet…)

 

[Piff_cat]

That's the Golli/90s OH x Seedsman that got tested with high myrcene content.
And as I have not smoked or smelled what got tested myself, I cannot interprete the data.

Made some resaerch in 2020, as I worked in analytics for long time and have therefore my own techs.
And came to the conclusion high linalool could be the terpene that is responsible for the kind of effect my OH lines are known for. The terpene profile of a tested columbian gold the nearest I did find to my results. But I have a passion also for phytotherapy. Use knowledge and terpenes profiles from there, to compare to those of cannabis or Haze, to draw my conslusions. Different approach than yours. The goal I believe too.

Need to do it again soon, as there is much more data available than 2 years ago.
But that's a lot of work to collect and interprete the data.
I hope one day to have time and motivation to do it.

Will see if I can provide you the OH document. Myself am more interested in understanding what we have today and in preserving that, than in understanding what it once has been. But I do respect. It's just a matter of priority.

That's really cool man thanks. Aroma therapy type stuff is so relevant when it comes to effect. Mycerene is almost in every strain but dosage seems to be important and so is the presence/absence of limonene in combination. What I've found with the linalool Iis there are 2 types and one is the lavender we all know. But the second acts as a precursor on demand for reactionary defense metabolites. All we know about are the happy safe plants. Many terpene synthases are activated when the plant senses attack. Signal hormones such as methyl jasmonate activate these defense system teroenes and so does mechanical herbivore activity. These relationships go all the way back to the progenitors natural enemies. In Japan and korea the hemp weevil and pine nematode are the 2 biggest threats. Theoretically you could inoculate ladies at end of cycle with nematode and create an explosion of delta carene. A similar method to how frankincense is made. The boswellia tree bark is wounded and the olearesin response is allowed to dry on the outside. And we all love frankincense

 

[Donald Mallard]

You do realize NL is a 3/4 sat Af/Mex/Colombian and SK being a half Sat.

I have 50% Haze lines that look act smoke like a pure Sat nothing user friendly about them.

not really quite accurate ,
northern lights was from a pure indica , the hybrids made from it were numbered 1 through 12 ,
the highest number being the furthest away from the original "purest' indica ,
and 0 would be the purest indica that greg originally received and made more seeds of
..
number 5 they thought was crossed to hawaiin initially, but greg seemed to think it was crossed to a northern mexican variety,

the purest indica was outcrossed to other indicas and then tropical types in the higher numbers used ,

this was according to todd on his potcast based on what greg told him ...,,
so definitely not 3/4 sativa by any means , and each numbered nl hybrid was different ....

skunk is considered an indica dominant sativa/indica hybrid in most cases given its suitability to indoor growing etc
so pretty sure thats not half sativa either ,

what you are seeing from the 50% hazes you grow is typical of what one would see from a 50/50 sativa/indica hybrid imo ..

 

[Piff_cat]

I don't really care about the Nevil/Sam controversy.

I am currently vaping a cross of Nevils work and love it. However, I don't think any sativa is improved by adding NL or Skunk. The only reason you do so is to make it more indoor grower friendly or commercial. So although Nevil was responsible for getting it out into the world, I don't think he likely improved the effect. On the other hand, I have never had what people describe as a proper Nevils Haze such as Hempy grows.

It is interesting that now most seem to be chasing the haze high, minus any indica influence.

I think nevil would agree with you too especially the skunk part. The f1s were good since haze was inbred so it dominated alot of pairings. But unless you made very nld selections f2 on the bld invades like a virus. He went the opposite direction with grail. Such a different time in seedbank days indoor gardening had alot to learn. I do think narrow leaf afghans can work. AfgT x haze c stays quite sativa. Some mazar phenos with single blade leafs nice too. But introducing functional b/d allele into nld is a slippery slope

 

[@hempy]

When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.
They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.

N.

The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5.
N.

That's right OS. I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analysing the NL lines, in particular NL5.

I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and US NL5 female. I guessed that US5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).

Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
N.

Not 1 to 12 but 1 to 8.

All the NL were hybrids.

 

[@hempy]

I ~am~ a friend of yours … The thing about head hair is that it keeps your scalp warm in the winter >>> but makes you hot in the summer..

We are and i wish i could grow a mullet the wife would be far from happy but it would make me happy lol.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Not 1 to 12 but 1 to 8.

All the NL were hybrids.

have another listen to that podcast ,
maybe nevil didnt get the whole range ,
but given the descriptions of nl 1 and 2 what todd said seems to be accurate there ...

he says nl greg gave him some of the pure indica that began the nl lines ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

I ~am~ a friend of yours … The thing about head hair is that it keeps your scalp warm in the winter >>> but makes you hot in the summer..

its a real buffer where bumping ones head goes too ,
once it thins out , those bumps really hurt....

 

[ojd]

ojd …wtf? do you have one single thing to say that’s positive about anything? Every single one of your posts just absolutely reeks of anger & resentment & bitterness …it’s depressing to constantly read it…You seem like such an unhappy character…Im sure from your posts that you were close personal friends in real life with Nevil, so that must be why you feel the way you do…Sucks when you lose a friend and you feel that other people are talking shit about him, but still…

This was a thread to talk about Haze and Neville's work after The Sam question thread and the other O Haze thread others were getting upset when we mention Neville?

Now you guys are bored of your thread and want to have Neville left out of this thread .

Its clear to see who is on who's side but come on man constantly dissing Neville and growing his Genetics , such 2 faced people in this thread and think i worship Neville , Sam gets a lapdance every day from his groupies .

Il stop posting anymore in here as the Sam fanclub is to much

 

[CannaT]

Not 1 to 12 but 1 to 8.

All the NL were hybrids.

Hempy Neville used to breed with NL9 so it was 100% more than no8.

Look in first catalogue it was NL9

 

[CannaT]

Also does anybody have expirence with NL x afghan 1....looks like OG genetics possible come from or Chems to....when i read description of high....its must be something with OGkush.

 

[@hempy]

Hempy Neville used to breed with NL9 so it was 100% more than no8.

The Quotes i posted were directly from Nevil him self CANNATORIUM is it possible its a cross he him self made by combining say NL1 and NL8 .

I have smoked NL but never grown it as i never liked the affect personally.

I dont watch to many pod casts now as there is to much misinformation in them.

 

[CannaT]

The Quotes i posted were directly from Nevil him self CANNATORIUM is it possible its a cross he him self made by combining say NL1 and NL8 .

I have smoked NL but never grown it as i never liked the affect personally.

I dont watch to many pod casts now as there is to much misinformation in them.

it is probable that he forgot the number 9 or something like that,
this is a copy of a 1987 or 86 catalog page .... he probably forgot number 9 in the future when he talked to you.


This is irrefutable proof that there was 9 NL.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

I'm just curious where the misinformation is? If it's a haze thread I'm trying to cut thru the bs and actually learn about haze. To me nevil was just as obsessed with haze as all of us. If we could just take his observations with these plants and move forward might actually figure something out. Seems like the standard of proof in this thread is ... cuz I said so. What progress is being made? Just this week I've made an actual scientific discovery on hazes progenitors following nevs and dj9 ideas. I wish we could actually discuss it, but apparently this is more about popularity then science. Anyone could look at the evidence and see that something was very different and primordial in haze a and c. Here are some profiles of the plants which form the small se asian clade which includes nevs progeny. Take a look at the linalool and cbg.....

Can the elevated CBG levels be related to the long flowering plant still putting out fresh growth? With an early harvest that fresh CBG may not be converted to > THC yet.

PiffCat Have you found any other tests that have similar cbg:thc profiles?

 

[RingtailCanyon]

My personal theory is that some western Mexican states and pacific side colombians like cauca came from Phillipines. Very strong resemblance between mango biche and Kalinga. And the new lakitan from Phillipines has scorpion phenos just like punto rojo. Then you've got south africa which has 5 or 6 landraces which have unique alleles not found in any other landrace with exception of Nigeria and choco chiba colombian. A really cool paper I read was on mitochondrial haplotypes. Since there is no recombination it shows some interesting relations.

There was talk on here years ago about the Parke Davis varieties that were grown in Colombia were of Indonesian ancestry. They listed somewhere specific like Borneo, but I can't think of the exact location now. My minds drifting, I'm smoking on some good Punto Rojo F2 thanks to Limeygreen and Oldschoolsativa

 

[CannaRed]

The University of Virginia agriculture department also has a Cannabis Program.

The G13/Sk plant pictured is the strongest indica i have ever smoked i absolutely hated it.

Will only use it for breeding.

Not when g13 first came on the scene. They stared a hemp program back in 2016
I'm about 90 minutes from there

 

[RingtailCanyon]

here's the info about weed coming from Borneo to Colombia

Cannabis was already growing at Java in the period 1920-1940 by the Dutch.Borneo / Kalimantan had a good variety in that time and it was so good that American pharmaceutical companies in 1930 brought the variety to Colombia for developing new pharmaceutical strains, so i would not be surprised if some of those varieties end up at PNG.



Namaste

 

[RingtailCanyon]

one more piffcat...

Nice story for a sale but Colombian strains were brought by American pharmaceutical companies in the early 1930s for developing strong pharmaceutical strains.Originally those strains were from Kalimantan.After the prohibition in 1937 those strains never left Colombia and found their way to other countries like Brazil or Panama.

Keep on growing

 

[Thule]

There are dna samples older than that listed in Phylos. I'm sure the Kalimantan plants were grown there, but were they much more than a drop in the ocean?

We can historically place African strains on the South American continent very early on. The same with Indian ganja in the nearby Caribbean.