The Haze discussion thread

[harvestreaper]

. But you also are pretty much thinking that haze only started when Neville touched it. And I’m telling you man, there’s a very good god damn chance that there were haze (let’s call em ish, or first gen’s) seeds around. Before Neville ever touched them.
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there we other haze crosses equal and better to my taste than what neville put out at the begining in holland and london ,,nevilles was number 1 commercially but that peterd out to other more indica lines across the board we would always warn people about n l5 haze cuts not to let em get to big an most wouldnt listen an complain they stretch too much etc ,,,after around 10 years the whole quality had deteriorated in everything nl was washed out sk same everything seemed like a half cross at best ,,its the effect or commercalsim on breeding seen it happen in animals,,,im gonna do a lil ps here for the nev fans ,,,nevs was a tad stronger than the others ime i had the most fun watching perople smell a bag of so called sk <nl5x haze> snorting at its lack of stank taking big hits thinking its weak an 5 mins later in the fetal position looking for there mummy lol the [power was epic but the quality of high was not equal to what i consider a good sativa high that was for me in other haze crosses like sk

 

[@hempy]

Ur Humbl Nr8tor you brought it up i said why fuel it if you dont like soap operas common sense right ? Just let it go and stick to the topic of cannabis.

I know the history of the OT line it has nothing to do with what i think but all to do with the facts behind it mate from Wolfman getting it to Wolfman handing it out for free i was there when it was handed out..

Nevil bought the Haze seed from Sam Nevil played a key roll in spreading seed and breeding Haze and with out Sam Nevil would of not got Haze or would any of us Fact.

I believe Haze was being grown in the US and in other peoples back yards and out door bush spots even before Sam was given the seed.

I also think it was being grown here and if not Haze it was as good defiantly better than whats been grown today.

I keep reading people claiming all the weed in the 70s was full of seed well it wasn't here.

At the time when we had African Black /Thais / Hawaiian / Colombians / Panama you name it there was one strain called Tripping weed being sold. All the rest would cost $30 an oz bag but the tripping weed cost $30 for a dime bag of it. It was oily dark leaf looking but would blow your mind. Sounds like the early Haze dont it.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

there we other haze crosses equal and better to my taste than what neville put out at the begining in holland and london ,,nevilles was number 1 commercially but that peterd out to other more indica lines across the board we would always warn people about n l5 haze cuts not to let em get to big an most wouldnt listen an complain they stretch too much etc ,,,after around 10 years the whole quality had deteriorated in everything nl was washed out sk same everything seemed like a half cross at best ,,its the effect or commercalsim on breeding seen it happen in animals

Preacher. Haze did not start with Neville. It was before even Sam and let’s be honest, before the Santa Cruz team. The genetics have been there. They’ve been side stepped for the fruit of the month club. Big indoor harvests in less that 12 weeks. Trading flavonoids and terpenes for supposed effects. Add some more supposed haze flavor to my joint. I’m not here to start a fight or take sides. No side. Hey Hempy or Mallard. Shoot me the breeze in PM anytime. I welcome it and I guarantee I will learn from it. Which is always what I am all about trying to do.

 

[pilis]

hello,

M.

Please dont give up!

 

[Donald Mallard]

As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Ur Humbl Nr8tor you brought it up i said why fuel it if you dont like soap operas common sense right ? Just let it go and stick to the topic of cannabis.

I know the history of the OT line it has nothing to do with what i think but all to do with the facts behind it mate from Wolfman getting it to Wolfman handing it out for free i was there when it was handed out..

Nevil bought the Haze seed from Sam Nevil played a key roll in spreading seed and breeding Haze and with out Sam Nevil would of not got Haze or would any of us Fact.

I believe Haze was being grown in the US and in other peoples back yards and out door bush spots even before Sam was given the seed.

I also think it was being grown here and if not Haze it was as good defiantly better than whats been grown today.

I keep reading people claiming all the weed in the 70s was full of seed well it wasn't here.

At the time when we had African Black /Thais / Hawaiian / Colombians / Panama you name it there was one strain called Tripping weed being sold. All the rest would cost $30 an oz bag but the tripping weed cost $30 for a dime bag of it. It was oily dark leaf looking but would blow your mind. Sounds like the early Haze dont it.

Hempy, I don’t and really I can’t disrespect your statements The Haze of the Roaring 20’s needs to look beyond Neville and Sam. The genetics are in all of our fingers and freezer boxes. C’mon. Walk through the door mate.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Just like everything in these discussions, we weren’t there officially bro. I’m of course I wasn’t. What the original haze brothers did or didn’t do is beyond us. OTH is close man. Close enough to touch it and it sure as shit seems straight forward to start mixing those gene pools. Cuz with well trained attention, it’s not going to set haze back…but move to forward. Or else we all agree to lose it over opinion and bickering.

 

[@hempy]

Hempy, I don’t and really I can’t disrespect your statements The Haze of the Roaring 20’s needs to look beyond Neville and Sam. The genetics are in all of our fingers and freezer boxes. C’mon. Walk through the door mate.

Haze is a hybrid created by growers making seed for the following year and they struck gold.

That is the story of its creation there was no planning there was no technical breeding or thought put into its creation just make seed using the best plants we have for the following years out door gorilla grow.

The plants used were land races / heirloom lines and yes if the Cali boys had them you cant bet others in other country's did to.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS

Totally possible to keep seeds for a decade or more in the fridge. Been doing it for now on 15 years. So much hearsay. Also explaining why original Neville’s seed from Sam weren’t great into sprout. Likely not ideally kept. Probably didn’t get the same TLC my seeds have been getting. Babied MF’s.

 

[harvestreaper]

we could gather together selected cuts from each haze line ,,accepted hybrids to,,,do the same with males just open pollinate the lot ,,then go your seperate ways to colonise new planets no drama no arguments ,,simple

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Haze is a hybrid created by growers making seed for the following year and they struck gold.

That is the story of its creation there was no planning there was no technical breeding or thought put into its creation just make seed using the best plants we have for the following years out door gorilla grow.

The plants used were land races / heirloom lines and yes if the Cali boys had them you cant bet others in other country's did to.

Exactly, which is why you can’t say OTH wasn’t an early version of those crosses ending up in others hands. Why do they grow with so similar morphologies? Same times to harvest amongst the oldest haze progeny. Purple slightly longer than green. Purple more lumbo And introverted. Green Thai and up. Similar growth patterns to THH and OH. (Actually more NLD than THH).

Listen, I am admitting that my experience with Neville is almost 0. I’m only now growing some Ace x old Neville’s and I won’t speak to any of those. But I will to OH vs OTH vs THH. That shit is all archetype. It’s not too far evolved IMO.

Let’s just agree to disagree or hold that a lot of these genetics weren’t so far removed. Look at the current sad dispensary scene. That shit is mainly kissing cousin.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

we could gather together selected cuts from each haze line ,,accepted hybrids to,,,do the same with males just open pollinate the lot ,,then go your seperate ways to colonise new planets no drama no arguments ,,simple

Hell, I’d want to be around to raise the babies…but if we can send clone, pollen and seed as an alternate…then let’s do it.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

If we assume to agree that Neville’s started with the OH and that THH, now Todd’s, Johnny’s all did as well…and then we dare to consider OTH as an earlier (parallel) line to the Sam’s gear (I know sacrilege for some)…it seems that getting a bunch of those plants outdoors (or indoors to the skilled and brave) with some further selection and interbreeding could open up a few different lines of attack for future preservation. I will be exploring a few different haze lines outdoors in ‘22 but maybe I’ll open it up even further in ‘23. Hopefully have a few years ahead of me in the grow tank for deeper introspection and investigation.

Sacrilege is to consider things that are hazy, not Haze.
Or to call things Haze that are not hazy.

Your approach is positive. That is what matters.

Seedsman too (SamS OH), was not recommended to work with as called hay by almost everybody. Seeds sold for 20$ a pack.
But if you don't do the things differenlty fom the others, you will never have different results from the others.
Therefore go for it, that's exactly what is needed!
I am using OT1 too.

The only reason that does speak against your plan , is that ACE will probably do the same. But if you do it for passion and you love and know well your own lines, who cares?
As we need also to preserve diversity in 2022 in addition to the separated lines, if we want the Haze sustainably preserved.
And you will be contributing exactly to that.

 

[harvestreaper]

As we need also to preserve diversity in 2022 in addition to the separated lines, if we want the Haze sustainably preserved.

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[harvestreaper]

As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS

69 was a peak year ,,,,as a haze fan i couldnt care less on the year the seeds came from only the effect and nevilles crosses were as strong as anything out there im getting more an more keen to try a good nh knowing haze 5 so well i can really see it being super potent bred back to the haze and probly more to my liking high wise,,you have any haze preferances donald as to what you like to smoke/grow ?i know you like mango nh

 

[robotwithdreams]

when I'll did the R4 ... no interest...
when I'll crossed the best THH with the best OHz ... and via versa ... same


...
M.

Dont let the fuckers get you down, i bet there are many more out here who are super interested in what you are doing. I suspect we just stay quite and the shit posters fill the vacuum with their b.s. I for one am super interested, and will be keeping an eye out for your r4 release if it comes to fruition and any others you may feel worthy to make it into the wild. Really looking forward to trying your thai x haze crosses via proseeds as well. Thanks!

 

[ojd]

ahh a nevile grown nh cool ,,,apologies ,, i dont even know what out back haze is ive seen it mentioned once or twice is it a mullumbini madness cross ?

Outback Haze Genetics: Aussie Deadhead (Connoisseur) / Amnesia Hashplant
Aussie Deadhead ( Mullumbimby Madness/Neville’s Haze #21 X Casey Jones) ,,,,,,,,,,,,this ??

That is nothing to do with Neville's Outback Haze
The guy bought my strain/seeds i vend of Australian Dead Head ( Mullumbimby Madness x Nevil Haze 21 ( Neville's)
X Casey Jones clone Reversed.
Then X it with some Amnesia/Hashplant and named it Outback Haze.
I messaged him and asked him if he could change name as Outback Haze is a famous strain that Neville made ( Hempy's ThaixNH21xNH36) buy he didn't reply ( he sounds like another scammer)

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Golli and than Johnny who I'll invited to the other place shared some OHz seeds with me ... all well documented ;-)
Golli shared 20 (14 made it) seeds from his own repro he did... later he gave me his last 20 seeds to take care off... he did not trust the other who asked after they saw my grows... and he was right.
Johnny gave me the last 7 Seedsman OHz seeds (4 made it) he had + his own selection that I'll returned to him because I'll did not want...
I'll wanted to start from scratch not with others work... where I'll do not know what he did because lack of documentation...

There is no reason to be so negative Mac.
And the things are cleared up between us. If there is people who speak shit. Let them speak shit.
They should make some efforts to be positive, if they got gifted the OH for free. We have done a lot of efforts too.

Returning me the seeds incomplete, after having used them for 2,5 years is your choice.
You got gifted my whole work: the separated lines + the last 7 original Seedsman seeds, to share with the people.
If you want them or not, you have to decide before you accept the seeds and before you grow them.

I use my own seeds that I have bought, preserved, improved and shared myself. And for myself.
Originating from what you did all call hay for 20 years.

But it's all cleared up brother......
We have our differences. For you it's about improving. And it's great like that.
For me it's about preserving.

And the history is still the same SamS has always told. Got even confirmed by the events. Seedsman and TFD is where SamS tried to preserve all the genes. Where he alsways said and did recommend to search. And Seedsman is where it got found. Confirmed at least twice by SamS himself. First when he asked me leaves for DNA testing from my mother in 2015 that looked like "his favourite mother he liked and used a lot" . And a second time, when you got invited at his home, thanks to the Predator OH from my seeds. And a 3rd time in the skinny leaf contest.

Your work not good or improved? I do see it only getting praised. With some very rare exceptions.
From scratch? No Mac, you are using separated lines. Which means worked lines, originated from the hay it once has been. The whole cake SamS has tried to preserve all the genes.
That is what THH and Gollis are, separeted lines by the 2 guys. From me you got even more. You got two separated male lines, plus the 7 Orignal Seedsman seeds.

May be I should offer or share the seeds you have sent me back here in this thread. Ask somebody to reproduce them and sent them to gypsy.
To make something positive out of them.

 

[ojd]

hello,
just wanted to share a few pictures of my R4 (4 best reversed OHz)
some try always to change history and claim there is no good haze out there ... LOL

this is my last OHz work... first I'll did S1 ... than after seeing the amazing results... R4
wondering to read so much... let's say strange things about the OHz...
don't know why those telling this bullshit but would love to make it clear that my OHz as improved... well that tell me those who grow it...
think that nobody can tell something about genetics if he hasn't grow it...
Golli shared his haze only with me... like SamS did and Tom too ... they had a reason to do so and the trust too...
I've never disappoint them and did also not write such bullshit I've read lately here and in other threads...
just a few who think they are something fight and lying or just ignore facts...
strange people are those and I'll know now why Sam and others did not share with them...

here for example OHz S1 & R4 ...
grown' by 3 different grower... in and outdoors...


have much more ... is just to show that those tales are not true...
I've worked the haze now a few years...
and everyone can clearly see that it has a lot improved... ask SamS. he got a test drive of the S1
well did my best and shared also everything from beginning...
but some try still to ignore that all and tell bullshit...
me think pictures speak for themselves ;-)

just to make things clear for all who really want to know....
my haze addiction started with Tom Hill Haze...
I'll did the big repro for free just to safe this line... and shared it all with the community...
than I'll asked @ a other place if someone had OHz for repro ...
Golli and than Johnny who I'll invited to the other place shared some OHz seeds with me ... all well documented ;-)
Golli shared 20 (14 made it) seeds from his own repro he did... later he gave me his last 20 seeds to take care off... he did not trust the other who asked after they saw my grows... and he was right.
Johnny gave me the last 7 Seedsman OHz seeds (4 made it) he had + his own selection that I'll returned to him because I'll did not want...
I'll wanted to start from scratch not with others work... where I'll do not know what he did because lack of documentation...
first was to make seeds with all plants I'll got....
that was the share seedsman x golli or golli x seedsman ... labeled seedsman when I'll took the seeds from the seedsman girl and Golli 90' when I'll took the seeds from those.
after first success suddenly after I'll got the invite to Sam and got also his last OHz seeds a few startet to make trouble and blamed me for sharing those seeds...
those made my grower life a hell and I'll was thinking to stop posting and sharing...
still think about ... when I'll read those bullshit and those ego stuff...
when I'll did the repro ... there was no interest...
when I'll did the S1 ... no interest ...
when I'll did the R4 ... no interest...
when I'll crossed the best THH with the best OHz ... and via versa ... same

but when great grower showed there outcome here and @ other places ... suddenly I'll got blamed for it and some startet a war against me...
after I'll did my selection and proofed that it was something other startet to yelling about me... don't know why... jealous?
well I'll can surely tell that my haze work is better as the originals I'll got and it took lot of time, work and money to got to that point.
fact is that some still ignore fact's and that show's me how stupid those are.
I'll shared it so good I'll could to bring it under the grower... and got full blamed for it...
I'll shared all my knowledge and how I'll did it... but it got ignored... and still...

those who don't know... have look in my albums.... all there ... OHz, Thai ... landraces ... and the outcome...
I'll love good documentary ... than you can also trust and proof if it's all true ;-)

you can only talk about if you have grown it...

so hope you understand my situation and why I'm not so much online here anymore...
peep's can make online life to hell ... and that happened to me... here and there...
got many PM's about what others are writing about me and the haze.... a shit storm too ...

SamS told me that it will happen once I'll share the haze and it becomes something...
when I'll started and documented here in the haze thread... not many cared ...
but later they start to change history... and I'll got asked why other claim that those crosses and haze where made by them... ?!

hope this help's now to understand my situation...
I'll was a happy grower and sharer before ...
M.

Just to be clear ive never said a bad word about you or your projects, or anyone else's apart from tods and more about how O Haze is so inbred and most the shit pheno( again more talking flying Dutch Original Haze from 2 decades back and any O Haze i sampled in Holland not new reproductions ive not sampled but as i mentioned would be very interested to sample all your O Haze reproductions and phenos in an icmag.com Haze cup or smokeout and interested for your opinions on all the new Neville mother X's im using in my seed projects

 

[flower~power]

OldCoolSativa … Sweet Baby Jesus …look what he grew!! This is definitely a case “ a picture is worth 1000 words”