The Haze discussion thread

[Sub24ox7]

Given enough time all weed will turn brown. When I was a kid I remember the reds and Golds we don't see anymore. Nexus7 pics look gold to me. I'd like to see those reds/golds make a comeback. It's been decades since I've seen them anywhere just brown weed which is common.

Yes Nexus7 pic is what I remember, golden no brown with red hairs. Shiny
I had a mex haze/o. Haze x o. Haze/skunk that browned a lot quickly after drying but not golden.

 

[@hempy]

this one today is mild like un burnt frankinsense not super strong .but never noticed it before mainly metal an citrus ,,i defintly have smelt it before am im currently racking my brains where it was

I know the smell your talking about i find it very hard to describe the smell of frankincense its very diffident to that of Asian incense.

When you touch the flowers do you get a waxy white like resin on your fingers or a more oily resin from the fresh flowers ?

 

[harvestreaper]

I know the smell your talking about i find it very hard to describe the smell of frankincense its very diffident to that of Asian incense.

When you touch the flowers do you get a waxy white like resin on your fingers or a more oily resin from the fresh flowers ?

funny you ask that i would say pheno 7 is more oily but the pheno 3 i posted before that you liked was more what i would call waxy

pheno 3

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nevil posted about that as did others not me and at the time you were swinging off Nevils nut sack as were many others over at Mr Nice.

Plenty of posts of you swinging off Nevils nut sack Donald so why didn't you ask Nevil this your self ? Didn't fit into your agenda i take it lol.

Go trash some one else's thread and get a life.

show me one of these posts hemps ,
if there are plenty , i wanna see just 1 ...
i barely interacted with him on the forum,
we spoke a few times for a while on the phone , thats the most i spoke with the man,
i didnt want anything from him , it was more the other way around,
he wanted me to get png seed from a guy who studied it ,
and he wanted moons zoidfuel , we held out on both because other parties warned us about dealing with nevil ,
and we saw that play out with his partnership with kanga ,
exactly what we were warned about ....


you want to trash people like todd here , expect to get criticism about it ...

any how carry on ..

here a bit of that png sativa bud ,
bloody deliciously potent weed ...
this one went through hell in the last parts of the lingering wet season ,
but still came through it like a champ ... its a shame not more is around because i know many would appreciate it as we did ...

 

[CannaT]

NL5/HZ

 

[CannaT]

Anybody have opionon on lineage ? haze A or C progeny ?

Smell at moment is hard varnish,pine,orange-bitter,spicy,and some sick sweetnes like concentrated pineapple.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

If we don't know or understand how it got preserved and improved, when it was thought impossible and has been impossible for 25 years. Then it will get lost again. So simple it is.
If getting it gifted is not enough to listen. Then I can't help.

Good that I made the skinny leaf contest and that the Haze has met Star Crash, who truely loves the Haze and has shown the truth.
Also good there is people like you, who do not forget that OH was hay before my sharing, and THH always considered better than SamS OH.
But I wonder if the history has not already been rewritten?

I also am not happy when I see Nevils, Sammys and Toms work getting diminiushed as consequence of my Haze sharing.
Gollis and my work too, of course.

If we assume to agree that Neville’s started with the OH and that THH, now Todd’s, Johnny’s all did as well…and then we dare to consider OTH as an earlier (parallel) line to the Sam’s gear (I know sacrilege for some)…it seems that getting a bunch of those plants outdoors (or indoors to the skilled and brave) with some further selection and interbreeding could open up a few different lines of attack for future preservation. I will be exploring a few different haze lines outdoors in ‘22 but maybe I’ll open it up even further in ‘23. Hopefully have a few years ahead of me in the grow tank for deeper introspection and investigation.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

funny you ask that i would say pheno 7 is more oily but the pheno 3 i posted before that you liked was more what i would call waxy

pheno 3

Beautiful!

Both green and purple Meao Thai x OTH from 2019 plants.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Those shots from today. Well aged and goldenized

 

[harvestreaper]

If we assume to agree that Neville’s started with the OH and that THH, now Todd’s, Johnny’s all did as well…and then we dare to consider OTH as an earlier (parallel) line to the Sam’s gear (I know sacrilege for some)…it seems that getting a bunch of those plants outdoors (or indoors to the skilled and brave) with some further selection and interbreeding could open up a few different lines of attack for future preservation. I will be exploring a few different haze lines outdoors in ‘22 but maybe I’ll open it up even further in ‘23. Hopefully have a few years ahead of me in the grow tank for deeper introspection and investigation.

i have an out door line that combines seedman haze meo thai ot haze and they blend very nicely imo and these plants are compromised with auto genes i can only see thoroughbreds being even better,,,got some green oltimers to hopefully find a male if i find none in todds im sure outstanding haze individuals could be found in the first crosses of these separated lines

 

[Hammerhead]

Yes Nexus7 pic is what I remember, golden no brown with red hairs. Shiny
I had a mex haze/o. Haze x o. Haze/skunk that browned a lot quicker after drying but not golden.

Looks great. I wonder if the drying method has been lost over time. Or maybe only specific varieties are able to get that gold/red color. I wish those would come back they were some of the best.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Looks great. I wonder if the drying method has been lost over time. Or maybe only specific varieties are able to get that gold/red color. I wish those would come back they were some of the best.

some of my older flowers get that golden hue, some just go varying shades of brown, so my opinion is strain dependent.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

i have an out door line that combines seedman haze meo thai ot haze and they blend very nicely imo and these plants are compromised with auto genes i can only see thoroughbreds being even better,,,got some green oltimers to hopefully find a male if i find none in todds im sure outstanding haze individuals could be found in the first crosses of these separated lines

I have some mixed (green and purple) OTH from 2008, 2010 and most recently 2019. Also have some fairly old seeds direct from dubi labeled OTH Green Haze (compact & early) and OTH Green Haze (tall & long). Still have a few of the Meao Thai x OTH from the original release (both green and purple) and then another a number of F3’s of Purple OTH x Meao Thai straight from Ace using different Mom’s as selection. Throw in a few remaining THH and OH plus possibly some of these newer Johnny’s on the way (wink). I’m contemplating a pack of Todd’s and Mac’s. There should be enough to keep me busy for a while.

Good luck finding that green male. He’s allusive as I’ve only had one or two males in all the OTH pure and crosses I’ve popped over the years. None worth keeping in OH and THH. I did have a green (appearance) OTH male that I mad a few seeds with last year. Crossed with a few different NLD types. If I run across another one at some point, I’ll do my best to get some pollen or crosses out there.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

My opinions with OTH are the purple flowers lean a lot heavier lumbo. The head is a little more murky and introspective. Terpenes are superior to green, but I prefer the green leaners for effects. Up up and away. Very energetic, more trippy which leads me to believe they lean heavier towards Thai. My opinions only.

 

[willydread]

My opinions with OTH are the purple flowers lean a lot heavier lumbo. The head is a little more murky and introspective. Terpenes are superior to green, but I prefer the green leaners for effects. Up up and away. Very energetic, more trippy which leads me to believe they lean heavier towards Thai. My opinions only.

I have the same opinion, the purple ones are much slower to flower and have a fuzzy high, the greens are 10/15 days faster and have a lighter high ... The cross with thai meao remains (in my opinion) one of the best works done by Dubi ....

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

I have the same opinion, the purple ones are much slower to flower and have a fuzzy high, the greens are 10/15 days faster and have a lighter high ... The cross with thai meao remains (in my opinion) one of the best works done by Dubi ....

Yep on all accounts. Green = clear and up. Purple = fuzzy/murky. A later day smoke IMO. I’m usually harvesting pure green haze around Christmas and purple haze in the first week or two of New Years. I’ll need to dig back into the Meao Thai x OTH cross. That MT used beefed up the flowers considerably. In my experience, she then adds an edge (colder less sociable and more trippy). Also cut flowering by a few weeks. I wonder how that cross (green) would go against a very Thai leaning THH. Noid fuel.

 

[Piff_cat]

What I have noticed over the years is the leaf edging is IMO entirely a genetic trait. The not sharp, smoother more rounded leaf edging I have seen in plants that come from thai or haze lineage, and it is true breeding. For example years ago I had a magic chocolope that I am still trying to get something resembling it back, it had that soft smoother non sharp rounded leaf edge and that carried through to its progeny and its grandchildren in outcrosses, any plant that carried the traits of that parent line carried its leaf edge.

The old skunks and some old haze lines have that sharp jagged serration, and sometimes the double, and I've even seen triple and quadruple serrations on plants from Sam's old Skunk x Haze seed, I am guessing that is a lumbo trait as I see it in all lines that carry old lumbo genetics.

I had a thread on mr nice discussing exactly what you found I agree 100%. Especially lines with distinct morphology inbred leading to less intermediate traits. I identified haze c progeny where the smooth ancient leaf appeared to be linked with a very long flowering genotype. I found it in haze c male, somas cg13 male, a great killer c5 by syd barret and a us nev haze cut great 88Of course shanti didn't agree and reduced the topic to basic leaf width means nothing . Guess the true reason was tgese genotypes don't appear in his "haze c" current "f1s"

 

[@hempy]

show me one of these posts hemps ,
if there are plenty , i wanna see just 1 ...
i barely interacted with him on the forum,
we spoke a few times for a while on the phone , thats the most i spoke with the man,
i didnt want anything from him , it was more the other way around,
he wanted me to get png seed from a guy who studied it ,
and he wanted moons zoidfuel , we held out on both because other parties warned us about dealing with nevil ,
and we saw that play out with his partnership with kanga ,
exactly what we were warned about ....


you want to trash people like todd here , expect to get criticism about it ...

any how carry on ..

here a bit of that png sativa bud ,
bloody deliciously potent weed ...
this one went through hell in the last parts of the lingering wet season ,
but still came through it like a champ ... its a shame not more is around because i know many would appreciate it as we did ...

First off Todd makes claims that are not true about Nevil you wanted proof i gave you it.

Todd and others claim Ben Dronkers bailed Nevil out of jail well Nevil sister bailed Nevil out and if one part of Todd's claims / story's are wrong that you claim as truth then how much of the rest of Todd's Nevil bashing are lies also ? Most of it .

Now you keep asking me to answer why did Nevil claim Sam was DEA yet you spoke to Nevil on the Phone a few times you also interacted with him at Mrnice but you never asked Nevil this or other things you keep demanding answers for from me why is that.

You had the opportunity to ask him your self so stop asking me to answer for things i had no involvement with.




You dont like being wrong do you.

A post from Kanga when he supported my stand on Land races / heirloom lines when Donald pulled his classical your wrong hempy tactic.


Lots of posts Donald.

Time to move on.

 

[@hempy]

Nevils NH36

 

[Donald Mallard]

First off Todd makes claims that are not true about Nevil you wanted proof i gave you it.

Todd and others claim Ben Dronkers bailed Nevil out of jail well Nevil sister bailed Nevil out and if one part of Todd's claims / story's are wrong that you claim as truth then how much of the rest of Todd's Nevil bashing are lies also ? Most of it .

Now you keep asking me to answer why did Nevil claim Sam was DEA yet you spoke to Nevil on the Phone a few times you also interacted with him at Mrnice but you never asked Nevil this or other things you keep demanding answers for from me why is that.

You had the opportunity to ask him your self so stop asking me to answer for things i had no involvement with.

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You dont like being wrong do you.

A post from Kanga when he supported my stand on Land races / heirloom lines when Donald pulled his classical your wrong hempy tactic.

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Lots of posts Donald.

Time to move on.

wow so thats nut sack swinging ,
looks like just asking a question to me mate ,
by the look of the answer , i was asking the wrong person anyhow ...

you were wrong with what you said about landraces ,, shanti backed me up with what i had said,
which was you find many variations in them , they are diverse ,
which is one of the reasons they have such value too ,

what you claimed may be true of a heavily inbred line using 1 to 1 matings, but not a landrace ....
maybe you made assumptions based on what you thought was a landrace and it wasnt one , i dunno ,
but i know they are what i said back then ....
i will use a few quotes in order to show what i was talking about
and the validity of it ...

The term “landrace” has generally been defined as a cultivated, genetically heterogeneous variety that has evolved in a certain ecogeographical area and is therefore adapted to the edaphic and climatic conditions and to its traditional management and uses.

(
heterogeneous
adjective
adjective: heterogeneous

• diverse in character or content.

Landrace plant varieties are characterized by origin, genetic diversity, adaptation, and lack of human manipulation. One classic instance is when a farmer saves seed from a favorable crop which had certain attributes. This seed mutated itself to achieve traits that were favorable for its growing environment.

Genetic Diversity is the diversity of genetic characteristics (expressed or recessive) within a species (i.e. between individuals and populations of the same species). ... Species Diversity is simply the number and relative abundance of species found in a given biological organisation (population, ecosystem, Earth).

What is an example of genetic diversity?

For example, the population of humans consists of individuals with different physical traits reflecting their genetic diversity. Apart from between species, genetic diversity may also be observed among species. For instance, the population of dogs may consist of different breeds of dogs.