The Haze discussion thread

[Donald Mallard]

You honestly think i dont dry my cannabis properly before i start to trim and then cure lol .

What dose the ward curing mean Donald ?

I dont store my smoke in glass jars i store them in air and light proof containers but that dose not mean the flower stays the same over time and the last time i looked cannabis was plant matter Freezing it is no different to freezing berry's or other plant material like mint or basil but freeze them and then unfreeze them and tell me their the same as fresh version there not.


Curing cannabis eliminates the bacteria and enzymes which cause the plant matter to break down; and in doing so, arrests the breakdown of terpenes and cannabinoids, both of which are essentially volatile compounds and, without intervention, would either break down into less active compounds or simply evaporate ...

Curing is a process during which a chemical reaction (such as polymerization) or physical action (such as evaporation) takes place.

The Difference Between Cannabis Drying and Curing

Many growers believe that curing begins at the moment of harvest. If that’s the case, where does drying fit in? In traditional methods, drying and curing are two separate steps, distinguished by humidity, temperature, and time. The method for harvesting is also important, impacting the order of the process.

What is Curing?

After cannabis has been harvested and hung to dry, quality cannabis requires a slower, more controlled drying process to bring out a superior cannabinoid profile. Curing allows bacteria to break down the chlorophyll in the plant material. Chlorophyll contributes to a harsh smoking experience. In addition, when a plant is harvested, the process of producing cannabinoids doesn’t just cease immediately, it continues until all the water is dried from the plant.

Therefore, the grower’s climate and ability to control the environment can affect the overall quality of the end-product. If conditions are too moist, the product can grow mold and rot, while if the conditions are too dry, the material dries too quickly and prevents full cannabinoid expression.



Like i posted above you can hang a plant to dry come back and place a bud in your hand and crumble it its that dry then seal it up and watch what happens if you dont cure it.

yea im telling u that mate ,
if u are putting your cannabis in bags as u said and its sweating,
then you are not drying it properly first ,

there is no need to get all upset about it , i have been nice and not given you a hard time,
and yea i know what curing cannabis is , that is what we were talking about ,
i have dried quite a lot of cannabis and stored it so im pretty sure about what im talking about ,
before we had vac sealed bags one had to be quite careful to store it when it was properly dry or it could be lost ,
we didnt have time to muck around doing it how you have suggested , it was done properly with the knowledge it was safe to store and not go moldy ,
it was our lively hood at stake , so we made darn sure we knew what we were doing and we did it right ...

since u obviously dont have any experience with freezing it as i mentioned ,
then you best not comment ,
\what you are saying is incorrect , cannabis is not like a strawberry , it freezes just fine once its properly dry and ready to store ,
we used to freeze heaps of it in a large commercial freezer until we were able to do something with it , like make bubble hash ,
or what ever else , it was perfect when we removed it from the freezer ,
i just dont recommend handling it until its unfrozen because trichomes will easily be shaken loose,
otherwise it was as good as it went in when it came out, even cured somewhat ...

young people read these pages and take in what senior folks say,
i think its important that its accurate for that reason ,
hence me mentioning what i did ,
im sorry if correcting you upsets you ,
but i see it as my job being a senior on these pages ,
and knowing my experience with cannabis having been a commercial grower for decades ,
and processing what would probably run into at least a tonne or tonnes in that time,
can help folks who dont have that experience learn more ...

 

[GoatCheese]

one of those inspired by psychedelic tropical ganja. in one song he is singing: "sky taking over", I know what he means as I smoked it too

You’re a light weight smoker, Maha, atleast many times you act like one. What do you know about the Sky taking over?!
..Lee Perry burned down his studio cause “he was making too much music”. That’s the Sky taking over.

PS.
I’m loving the gif-clips you have started posting up again, kid. ..Loving those, cheers..

 

[@hempy]

You need to read what i post mate but i am starting to think you are hitting the piss (beer) a lot these days mate and then seek to start drama with me Donald as your mood seams to change a fair bit.

I am being nice trust me few would of taken your crap for as long as i have.

Cannabis once it has been hung to dry and then once the dried flowers are removed need to have any remaining moisture removed before they can be stored long term. That is the process of curing.

I use large bags to reduce the handling of the flowers if you put it in a tub or container how you going to air the flowers that are lower down or at the bottom with out pulling it all out ?.

When i say sweating i mean the remaining moisture in the flowers and that dont mean the flowers become wet like a fresh slower what is happening is any remaining moisture is evaporating out and if the flowers are sealed you get mold you in short fk the harvest.

So you need to air the flowers and you need to know when to seal them back up to reduce over drying curing is an important part and i am surprised you dont know this.

You posted a pick up of your curing process and i told you i saw mold on a few of your flowers that had been vacuumed sealed i think you need to air your flowers more and cure longer.

This is a dry flower before it is cured.

 

[Nexus7]

Nice looking Sativa bud you got there @hempy.

Which strain would it be?

 

[@hempy]

Hiya Nexus thanks that pic is of a Mango Haze flower taken just before i started the cure.

 

[MAHA KALA]

You’re a light weight smoker, Maha, atleast many times you act like one.

when somebody makes selections like me, smokes a lot of weed and hash too, it is not possible to be light smoker LOL. everybody can see what weed I grow and smoke. dont know where you got your impression. I think you only provoke...

this is not for light weights. holyweed finger hash caked with Ohz resin. I smoke hash practically everyday these days.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Hitting the piss ,??? lol.
nope i barely ever drink ,
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im sure im not alone there ...

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and you are often incorrect ,
like the comment about mold on my weed ,
when you were not here to inspect it and notice it wasnt mold at all but something to do with the picture instead, i think it was blurred or something stuck to the bud , either way it wasnt mold ... ,
but here you are still insisting on it ,
i assure you there was no mold on that cannabis ,
it was only one picture too that you are now trying to multiply into more ... how unlike you to do something like that mate ...

as i said we werent just growing in a cupboard or tiny grow room
we were processing hundreds of pounds ,
sure we have time to sit there burping jars and bags ,
not likely , we did it right the first time without all that piss farting around amateurs do or have time for,
once you do something enough , for long enough , you get the feel for it and dont have to do silly stuff like bag , rebag , air etc ,
thats unnecessary if you do the job right the first time and not practical for commercial size grows ...


btw , the pic i posted was not of my curing process ,
it was an experiment , a trial, of the malawi cob curing process a friend has posted about on the forum ,
i played around a bit with it , its a cool process , i didnt follow the instructions exactly ,
but found it worked well and sped up the curing and produced a nice outcome ,
a fun thing to try and yes i would do it again , with some minor adjustments to suit my own likes,
maybe you should give it a go too and see what you can come up with,
you might have some fun even ... and learn a little more about curing while you were at it ,
stranger things have happened im sure ....

 

[@hempy]

I must say i am seeing a new MAHA posting i dont miss the old MAHA but welcome the re birth i think what most dont get is we posting here have more incomen than not.

 

[MAHA KALA]

yeah, and the initial Post was about an Article wich says Weed might be a Psychedelic, and that there is possibly a similarity to other Fulllon Psychedelics like LSD. It was about truely Psychedelic Experiences i think. Hallucinogenicity?


Nicely written, yes i heard from Snowhigh, one shall not smoke CBD-Strains before smoking Sativa. Not even a Week or month before actually.

It may be partly a Reason why some people cant fly on Satties, as my Colleges that smoked with me the trippy stuff and didnt.

like willydread said, it has many factors. when you close eyes you can get great hallucinogenicity on trip weed, you can see archetypal patterns etc.. or in night when mind tries to imagine what is seen in shades. during day it is different, it is more about psychedelic mist around your head. no weed smokes like full dose of LSD - but like Hempy said, you can eat it and that's whole different story. some weed can smoke like mild dose of it imo.

I remember first time smoking haze - so zero tolerance, it was silver haze bought in dutch coffeeshop, around 1998, and we smoked it in woods, looking to fire and then I lifted head up and saw stars on the sky. they were dancing and shining like on LSD, with that difference that on LSD I saw cosmic visions with dancing stars background, on silver haze I saw only dancing stars

 

[@hempy]

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[romanoweed]

its like fullon lsd from what i read.
Now people go again: but you cant know how a Tripreport of LSD or Ayahuasca was without experiencing. Well, once you experienced such ganja, and you find Ayahuasca Peoples telling you basically the same Stories as what you experienced, then i assume its equally as strong.

When i say i Hallucinated , then i dont mean subtle things like things slightly moving, or seeing Trails or things looking just like Manga.. then i mean substencially big things appearing , and solid looking. You emideatly react with strong , surprise kind of, but you know its an illusion.... what i mean is that its not imagination..

A clear defined state, called hallucinatng.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

LOL the grumpy old men thread...Keep those hazes coming! Hempy and donald, you are correct just referring to the same thing from different angles..I laugh when all the modern growers talk about curing their weed once hung when they are actually referring to drying the stuff, curing yes is what comes after when your weed (that is dry or at least in the 10-15% moisture range) is enclosed to sweat out its last moisture..and yes it does sweat it out. I've also grown tons, literally, more than a ton of flower this year alone, and know what I am talking about LOL... It is the moisture still contained in the stick or who knows where, once the bud is dry, stems snap, you put it in totes to cure and day later it seems damper than when it went in, in a sealed tub, moisture had to come from somewhere and was still in the weed, even though it seemed dry..And yes once cured you can freeze it indefinitely and its stores perfectly fine, same on the day you take it out as the day you put it in, and yes do not handle it until the section has homogeneously come back to room temps or else crystals will be flying everywhere..

And I haven't bothered to cure my weed for years, it is not practical on the scale I grow..And my genetics are so stinky and dank and the weed grown so well, light nutes and controlled starve/flush at end to lower sap sugar, that no one cares that it is uncured and they don't even notice it, and its better weed than the alternative cured bud, though it cures in the packaging in transit to market so I'm not fussed. But yes cured weed is more flavoursome and smoother smoke.

Donald you and hempy need to meet up at a cup or something and get super blazed, get drunk go to a strip club LOL...you'll probably find more in common than most other randoms you'd meet on the street and actually probably find you get on like a house on fire in person..LOL thats what I reckon..you guys are very similar, and similarly cranky LOL..its all entertaining for us on the sidelines so long that it doesnt get offensive or personal..

Most trippy weed for me so far has been old 90's white widow hahaha that shit positively felt like I'd had a mild shroom dose and oldschool swazi when i had no tolerance, doubt the swazi would touch sides these days with me tolerance hahahaha..OEV's though I've never experienced on weed, closed eye geometics yes but nothing like true psychedelics, sure long time ago after a spliff I popped up on a strange dancefloor with Mr Potatohead playing behind the DJ box but that was all in my head, no multicoloured fractals and definitely no self transforming machine elves..DMT though on the otherhand..well..I've met Shiva, Ganesh and his rat, and Lakshmi..and all manner of strange folks and alien creatures, and after figuring wow my imagination is capable of some wild shit, I was shown that its not my imagination when I met them with my mates around who were looking at these entities asking me like oh, dont these fellas need passports or anything, which all made me reassess and rewrite my entire understanding of the multiverse I live in, and also been transported to other dimensions, popped up in wasp nests where they were communicating with me with telepathy, wierd shit..LOL theres trippy and theres trippy..weed can be trippy, but it stops short of being trippy, unless you ate a big piece of decarbed hash with no tolerance, though when I did that when young, I just slept for a day in a stupor..Kinda like being opiated, though opium too can be trippy not that I partake unless for medical reasons so its all so relative.

I think those tripping out on weed, did not have too much experience with tripping, when they did, and low tolerance...but that said weed can be quite trippy, the right weed, right terps, right cannabinoid ratios and right set and setting and low tolerance. But as said theres trippy, and then theres what the F is that being made of lightning moving intra-dimensionally that is communicating with me with strange clicks and sounds and why do I understand it after it gets in my head and does some shit there that I dont understand...that shit is trippy LOL..

 

[Hammerhead]

You NEVER! want your flowers to be completely dried, void of all moisture is a big no no. Keeping that in is what makes your weed smoke, smell, and taste well. If you leave your plants out too long it will make them unable to cure properly. The flowers hold that moisture in the interior. When sealed up that moisture gets redistributed into the outer parts of the flowers that are dryer, it acts like a sponge. If dried too long there's no moisture left to redistribute. This is what curing is to me. Once the flowers are stable at 58% rh it's good to store long term. It doesn't take much time to get to 58%. I dry until the outer parts are crispy then start trimming. I can tell if the flowers are still too wet. Once they are dried enough Bag it up and check what the rh is in the sealed bag. If too high open and let that moisture evap off. Seal up and repeat until stable 58%./

 

[romanoweed]

MAHA KALA didnt want to play your post down,

Sounds magic your twinkling Stars description.

Just wanted to wave the Trippy-Flag once again, hahah.

 

[...CR500AF...]

Dealers needed a nice way to sell there over stock from last years crops so it turns into " curing " LOL LOL.

 

[Hammerhead]

ALL LOOKING GREAT ....

 

[romanoweed]

higher and higher

 

[Chi13]

I just realised how many current haze threads there are in the strains and breeding section. Probably deserves to have a Haze sub forum. Haze has clearly stood the test of time.

 

[@hempy]

The search of what we older smokers call the super highs of the past in modern day genetics is what drives us older smokers and the younger growers in search of different experiences to the hyped main stream offerings i think drives them.

Lets face it searching threw genetics that can flower up to or over 20 weeks needs dedication.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Dealers needed a nice way to sell there over stock from last years crops so it turns into " curing " LOL LOL.

LOL!