The Haze discussion thread

[romanoweed]

but its not necessary to cure Weed for getting Tripweed. Thats a wrong hope thinking your average bud or average Haze will ever be tripweed after curing.

If it was, where are the Tripreports, atleast someone would come forward and tell about.

My Tripweed was fresh, nearly wet.

 

[@hempy]

You harvest a plant and you dry it the curing is the process from drying until it stops sweating and that can take a few days to a week depending on the time of year and temps / humidity.

Then the flowers are ready to be smoked and in my opinion they do not get any better than that but over time it degrades changes.

The only cannabis plants that i know of that are left to dry over a long period is the plants being used to produce hash.

 

[Hammerhead]

This is very true. I have a bit of culled Todd's that I wish I kept as it turned out better after 9 months or so. The 2 I kept also increased in potency and longevity over time. I am waiting to see what happens with THH. They are about 2 month in now and I have 3 I kept for now. The extremely thin braided one seems to be improving as does the one that looks like madmac's, still braided but more budding overall. The long flowering one needs more testing.

My question for the old timers that were smoking in the 70's is how well was the bud cured if at all and how long do you think it was cured?

I wouldn't call it cured as they just dried it and bagged it so the time it took to get to its destination wasn't quick. The older weed gets it takes on a more sedative high. Depending on how wet it was when bagged up will affect fermentation. Without the moisture needed it wont if to dry.

No one ever cured their weed in the 70's. I never heard of this until the late 80s. The reason people started doing this was to make their shitty weed taste better. It will def make the smoke smoother less harsh. It will also change any uplifting high to a more sedative one due to the degradation of THC to CBD and other cannabinoids. I do not cure more than 30 days for this reason..

 

[...CR500AF...]

I had family members that smoked through the 70's never heard a word about trip weed, i started in the 80's i get hearing,touch,vision,taste, enhanced more sensitive that is all. wide leaf more of a body stone, narrow leaf more in the head more clear, happy, or anxiety, that is about it for me...

 

[romanoweed]

Cambodain x Haze. uses an older Cambodian (A different Line than the one i grew last Year) . Kalimyst in the Background.

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Cambodain x Haze, a Problem arising.
I wanted to Outcross it to Kalimyst, but found no Males ..
Then i had tiny Hoabac Plants beaten up by Deers, Snails and a sunnless Year like i never seen it before, not shure if i get any pollen.... so these i probably have to let go. I cant rebuy the seeds, im to poor, if someone has heart for Cambodian, i give you link, someone could preserve them. They have a very happy upbeat energy around them. Not extreemly strong, but very very specially good.

Im not happy, look at these Merlins..

 

[willydread]

My experience is totally different, zamaldelica, Tom Hill Haze and Rainbow Breeze have become extremely potent after 4/6 months of curing ....Especially with RB, I thought I would drop everything as it seemed "light", after 5 months the power is incredible (I mean psychedelic power)...

 

[Stocktont]

i didnt start toking until the 80s,
in fact it was 1981 ,
but i thought a lot about the concept of cured cannabis after we all tried to reproduce some from seed within the bud ,
we couldnt get it the same , firstly our climate didnt allow it ,
and secondly i assumed the time taken for the pot too arrive to our shores ,
and then be slowly distributed among us all , had an affect on the pot , ie cured it ,

i suspected it took up to a year for it to be dried , packed , finally leave the shores of origin ,
and arrive to us and be distributed ,
it could have been longer , but my estimation was near enough to 12 months , give or take ..

those who have cured their crop for 12 months know there are quite a few changes that take place ,
as long as it is treated properly prior to the cure and of course stored right during it ...

I have long suspected that there used to be a wide spread knowledge of how to post harvest process cannabis flowers from South East Asia to the western hemisphere so that the product would retain as much of the positive aspects like smell, flavor and effect, for as long as possible. Before freezers and electricity they had some other type of process that would preserve the quality of the weed for a longer time (and no I am not talking about ”dipping it in opium”). There’s still some weed that can be had in SE Asia that comes very different from most other pressed weed (good or bad) and it has certain qualities to it but most notably it stays fresher for a longer time and both smell and taste is way better that even semi-fresh pressed weed with no post harvest care taken.

I also think that the podcast with the people behind the book ”Thai Sticks” posted in this or another thread a few hundred pages back also alludes to the fact that they (the people processing the weed after harvest) preserved it and packed it so it would also hold for a long shipping to the west. I think Peter Maguire talked about tin-cans and a story about people in Brazil got some of those cans washing up on the beach perfectly preserved inside those cans. I know a guy that gets weed that no matter what month of the year it’s always the exact same flavor, taste and high. I was so amazed as most of the normal pressed SE Asian weed isn’t at all that cared for and it looses its ”magic” for lack of a better word within week if not sooner just kept in a room or similar. I asked the guy and he told me he got the weed from the north (of Thailand) and that it was old style meaning that they did something to it after the harvest to keep it fresher. He also kept it in the refrigerator until someone came along to buy a slice so it was always like it was fresh. Very savory and kind of a special flavor that I think came from whatever exact process they did. I would imagine it would be something similar to ”cob cure” though I do not know this to be fact. One person told me that the different colors of the string that one would see on a lot of the compressed weed from the 90s and onwards (was prevalent until about 2010-2012) were some sort of color code the farmers used when they ”dug the weed down in the dirt and kept it in the ground”. The different colors would indicate when they had put it in the ground so if they dug up a load of it they would know how long it had been in the ground for. I saw red, yellow, white, blue and green colored strings. Always the same colors on the same batch (never two or more colored strings mixed together).

From the weed my friend sold (that had that special kind of fresh flavor and smell) I grew out many seeds and not one of them ever had that exact smell and flavor though some came close it seemed to me to be a result of the post harvest care rather than the plants themselves.

I agree that weed that I grow myself doesn’t really need to be cured but dried properly and stored properly but weed that has been grown in bulk to ship needs some sort of control measure so that it keeps most of its qualities until it reach the end users or it won’t be considered high grade by most. Weed that is just putt in a drawer in room temps will go hay pretty quick and people couldn’t have been shipping it from Asia to America and the rest of the western world in glass mason jars and go around the ship for months ”burping” the jars keeping it just right. I am sure they had a pretty sophisticated process nailed down or we wouldn’t have all these stories about how good it tasted, the great smell and the awesome potency of all that weed from the 70s, 80s, 90s and onwards. Sure you can have amazing weed wet, just cut and hardly dried and it smokes just amazing but you can’t take that, put it in newspaper wrappings and send it across the world in the 60/70 and hope it will still be good when it arrives to whatever destination it was destined for.

The plants that are used for hash aren’t dried for super long times but the hash itself, or the resin heads are stored and sort of aged before they are made into hash in some regions (Morocco, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India to name a few). The plants are dried for some time then the resin heads are separated from the plants then it can be stored for a longer time. Dealing with hash and dealing with flowers are two different processes entirely once the resin heads have been extracted from the rest of the plant.

 

[Donald Mallard]

but its not necessary to cure Weed for getting Tripweed. Thats a wrong hope thinking your average bud or average Haze will ever be tripweed after curing.

If it was, where are the Tripreports, atleast someone would come forward and tell about.

My Tripweed was fresh, nearly wet.

its true you cant turn a pigs ear into a silk purse ,
cannabis is the same as anything else in that respect,

but a proper cure will definitely improve it ,
particularly with sativa flowers ,
ive processed enough in the last 20 years to have seen this a number of times ,
in fact im doing it right now with some local cannabis ,
i always preferred my stuff to be cured 6 months ,
it had often gone a nice golden colour by then ,
the taste was better , it was smoother and the high was certainly different and seemed stronger than the initial freshly dried stuff ,
i always regretted running out of cured stuff and having to go back to fresher stuff ..

im sure this depends on a few factors , but with the right stuff and done correctly the pot can certainly seem better ...

 

[@hempy]

Curing cannabis as far as i am aware is the process of removing any remaining moisture left in the flowers after they have been dried. Now you can hang a plant in the heat of summer and dry it to the point the flowers brake up or crumble in your hands and even they once sealed will still expel some moisture once sealed in a bag or bucket so on.

 

[@hempy]

I had family members that smoked through the 70's never heard a word about trip weed, i started in the 80's i get hearing,touch,vision,taste, enhanced more sensitive that is all. wide leaf more of a body stone, narrow leaf more in the head more clear, happy, or anxiety, that is about it for me...

There was cannabis called tripping weed here and it dates back to at lest 1976 and i last saw it early 80s a dime bag of it cost $30 and at the same time you could buy an oz bag of African / Colombian / panama so on for $30.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Curing cannabis as far as i am aware is the process of removing any remaining moisture left in the flowers after they have been dried. Now you can hang a plant in the heat of summer and dry it to the point the flowers brake up or crumble in your hands and even they once sealed will still expel some moisture once sealed in a bag or bucket so on.

Na thats drying
curing is the process after drying which could probably be called aging also...

 

[@hempy]

Drying is the process from when the plant is harvest until the flowers are dry BUT the curing then starts which is the process were a fully dry flower starts to sweat and expel the remaining moisture.

The flowers start to sweat now that can happen after a few hours of being sealed in a bag/bucket to a day later.

All you do is air them out allow them to re dry and that can be depending on temps and humidity the size of the flowers from 5 minuets to a few hours.

You may need to repeat this processes for a week but once the sweating is done you can then store the flowers long term.

But the flowers then start to deteriorate it may not be viable but its happening just like all fruits /veg you have a rip point and then it starts to degrade cannabis is no different,

 

[Chi13]

I think curing, or even simply aging, has a major effect on mainly sativa strains. But I do think that some strains are effected way more than others. I had a Laos I grew ages ago that when I first smoked it was weak and fairly short high. I put it away and forgot about it. Found it a year later and it was a completely different prospect, electric, stimulating, and euphoric. Hard to believe it was the same.
Also grew some ACE Ethiopian where straight off the plant it was great, happy and euphoric. After a few months cure though, the euphoria was kind of lost. Then months later it went full circle and the euphoria returned, and was great again.
Certainly interesting changes due to curing. I find much greater changes the more sativa the bud. As a general rule I reckon most cannabis, but especially sativa's, improves with a cure

Overseas imports when I was young all seemed cured to me in hindsight. I can remember some of the Colombian seemed like it had been fermented in a boat for 6 months, which it probably had. Also I reckon Thai sticks had a cure, but as someone else said, this was likely the result of being packed and transported, rather than a deliberate cure. Traditional Malawi was cured, not that I got any when I was young, but anyone interested should check out Tangwena's thread on cobb curing. I have tried this on several sativa's and it is interesting. It speeds up the cure and changes the high somewhat.

Now the plant is legal in many places I hope we learn more about curing, from a science perspective rather than stoner myths.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Drying is the process from when the plant is harvest until the flowers are dry BUT the curing then starts which is the process were a fully dry flower starts to sweat and expel the remaining moisture.

The flowers start to sweat now that can happen after a few hours of being sealed in a bag/bucket to a day later.

All you do is air them out allow them to re dry and that can be depending on temps and humidity the size of the flowers from 5 minuets to a few hours.

You may need to repeat this processes for a week but once the sweating is done you can then store the flowers long term.

But the flowers then start to deteriorate it may not be viable but its happening just like all fruits /veg you have a rip point and then it starts to degrade cannabis is no different,

hempy,
mate thats not actually how to do it , i dont want to start an argument with you ,
but if you are putting your weed into a bag and its sweating , its because its not dry yet ,

you need to be able to snap the stem cleanly and easily rather than bend it ,
moisture is retained in the stems ,
sometimes the herb might feel dry on the outer , but there can be moisture in the stems still ,
be sure they snap cleanly before u bag your weed and it should be fine to store ....

as far as herb being like fruit and veg ,
its not at all , perhaps it has similarities to dried fruit where if stored correctly it lasts a long time ,

if you vac seal cannabis and store it in a dry cool place , it will last a long time and be perfect years later ,
you can also freeze it and it will last many many years , indefinitely in fact ...
heat and light are what degrades cannabis , if there is none of that , then it will remain as it was stored for a very long time ....

 

[@hempy]

You honestly think i dont dry my cannabis properly before i start to trim and then cure lol .

What dose the ward curing mean Donald ?

I dont store my smoke in glass jars i store them in air and light proof containers but that dose not mean the flower stays the same over time and the last time i looked cannabis was plant matter Freezing it is no different to freezing berry's or other plant material like mint or basil but freeze them and then unfreeze them and tell me their the same as fresh version there not.


Curing cannabis eliminates the bacteria and enzymes which cause the plant matter to break down; and in doing so, arrests the breakdown of terpenes and cannabinoids, both of which are essentially volatile compounds and, without intervention, would either break down into less active compounds or simply evaporate ...

Curing is a process during which a chemical reaction (such as polymerization) or physical action (such as evaporation) takes place.

The Difference Between Cannabis Drying and Curing

Many growers believe that curing begins at the moment of harvest. If that’s the case, where does drying fit in? In traditional methods, drying and curing are two separate steps, distinguished by humidity, temperature, and time. The method for harvesting is also important, impacting the order of the process.

What is Curing?

After cannabis has been harvested and hung to dry, quality cannabis requires a slower, more controlled drying process to bring out a superior cannabinoid profile. Curing allows bacteria to break down the chlorophyll in the plant material. Chlorophyll contributes to a harsh smoking experience. In addition, when a plant is harvested, the process of producing cannabinoids doesn’t just cease immediately, it continues until all the water is dried from the plant.

Therefore, the grower’s climate and ability to control the environment can affect the overall quality of the end-product. If conditions are too moist, the product can grow mold and rot, while if the conditions are too dry, the material dries too quickly and prevents full cannabinoid expression.



Like i posted above you can hang a plant to dry come back and place a bud in your hand and crumble it its that dry then seal it up and watch what happens if you dont cure it.

 

[MAHA KALA]

In my humble opinion I believe that psychedelic weed is the result of many factors, even I take breaks of 2/3 months a year, and not always when I start smoking again I get psychedelic effects ... I would say it depends on genetics, the seasoning of the weed and the predisposition of the smoker (what is psychedelic for me, maybe it is not for you)...
I usually grow tropical sativas, so plants that are not very productive and fragrant, with a very long flowering, and they are not always psychedelic ....

some sativas are not much psychedelic, thats true, but some are very psychedelic.

yes, great post, brain chemistry plays big role. so if you used to take prozac, xanax or rivotril in long term + plus alcohol let say in the past, I can guarantee you that your cognitive abilities will not allow you to experience something like that. on the other hand if you ate mushroom or took lsd in the past, we can state, with certain probability, that you will experience psychedelic weed. its about neuroconnections.

now if we exclude cases of damaged cognitive ability and decline of it due to age, then we can say that individual brain chemistry differences are not so big that one human would eat mushrooms and get trip. and other human would not. most of individuals will get it. there can be some anomality, but it is rare. and it is the same case with good psychedelic weed.

psychedelic weed inspired many great musicians, so its proof it exists. and for example og kush was used as inspiration for different kind of music. and they can exist next to each other. but if you cross psychedelic thai with northern lights and then with og kush, and then with biodiesel, you will not find it. which is simply logic...

one of those inspired by psychedelic tropical ganja. in one song he is singing: "sky taking over", I know what he means as I smoked it too

 

[romanoweed]

yeah, and the initial Post was about an Article wich says Weed might be a Psychedelic, and that there is possibly a similarity to other Fulllon Psychedelics like LSD. It was about truely Psychedelic Experiences i think. Hallucinogenicity?


Nicely written, yes i heard from Snowhigh, one shall not smoke CBD-Strains before smoking Sativa. Not even a Week or month before actually.

It may be partly a Reason why some people cant fly on Satties, as my Colleges that smoked with me the trippy stuff and didnt.

 

[@hempy]

What no ones touched on so far when talking about Psychedelic experiences with cannabis is how the experience of smoking a set strain can change a great deal when smoked from flower to concentrates to it being ingested in the way of canna butter and made into cookies / cakes so on.

Years ago we made a cake out of durbon poison and early pearl this cake destroyed every one that ate it some people even thought it had been laced with opium.

Point is even cannabis flowers you smoke that dose not have a Psychedelic high when smoked may give you a Psychedelic affect if you ingest it.

 

[harvestreaper]

so hard to express sensations clear as to each of our experiances an pallattes some have had 1 lsd trip others a 1000 same with mushrooms some went thru a phase some lived that life 24 7 since childhood etc this is why i find smoke reports difficult,, as for trippy weed many sats have trippy aspects its not rare imo enhanced colors sensations thought process change feeling of exliration euphoria albeit milder than lsd definatley psycadelic ,,, my favourite experiance is outdoor sungreown sat domn plants were i feel like part of the wind as it blows thru the trees it really puts you in tune with nature a certain symbiosis occurs that i cant seem to find in indoor weed even if stronger variety,,not noticed improved potency after curing certainly noticed smoother an more balanced effects ,edibles was always stronger we found that out as kids here in uk easting our hash when the police came along and having to physcally hold your eyelids up if you ate anything over a quater lol ,something that never happened when smoking it ,,, mediocre weed can sometimes become considerally beter via hash or edibles ime but at the same time its a lot of hassle unless in a fix
maha the high priest of the island lsp , he also say truth taking over but that more about courage ,, cmon people we can do it lol

 

[Hammerhead]

I dry/cure until I get a stable 58% RH. I can seal and store without worrying about molds. Stems will snap at 58%. If it's 50% or less it can affect the taste and it's harsher IMO. At this point, it's too dry. A good dry/cure the flowers will still be soft to crumble. If its to dry it will be crisp and crumple to fine small particles.