The Haze discussion thread

[unnamedmike]

I germ testing some now from '03 some my oldest stock only 1 gen removed from acquiring.

please let us know when/if they gonna be available. Lot of respect for your work.

Glad to see you around again HEMPY

 

[Tom Hill]

That churchie crap is kinda blurry but it dont cut down to your soul.

 

[@hempy]

No man. That shit when its on will make you hide in your closet lol. Just seen a guy get a good one end of thread over in chimera town. Thats same i been talking about for years

The 2 types of highs i have found that do that in Nevil's work i describe as a Thia high that's the tripy high that comes at you in waves best way to describe it is a roller coaster ride.

Then you have what i call the Colombian High feels like you ran into a brick wall and it just keeps intensifying has a little body to it and one could call it a little noid to then settles to a strong find fk.

My favored is the Electric tripy roller coaster high

 

[Tom Hill]

Stop calling it nevils work he selected nothing just took what he was given then spoon fed.

 

[Tom Hill]

Reality is they were boring - ass Sam selections lol

 

[Tom Hill]

And nevil never had a clue

 

[unnamedmike]

Reality is they were boring - ass Sam selections lol

Opinion is like the asshole. I have mine, but I still respect yours
can i ask whats a good work for you ? It's real curiosity, thanks

 

[@hempy]

Reality is they were boring - ass Sam selections lol

I try not to get into the Nevil vs Sam thing any more but at the end of the day nether of them created Haze.

Nevil told me the story of how he bought the Haze seed along with other lines from Sam and the dates of each of the haze lots.

I always thought it was odd Nevil never put out pure Haze and i thought it was more about protecting the breeding stock he had not going to competitors i was wrong thinking that as Nevil explained to me and has posted this also that when he inbreed haze it turned to hay.

That is why he felt haze needed out-crossing to a unrelated sativa like a pure Thai.

Going by the owner of Super Sativa Seed Club one of Nevil's new offering the OUT BACK HAZE is the best haze currently in Holland.

 

[Tom Hill]

You doing well to not get into that you lost your asses when you guys tried that before lol.

 

[Tom Hill]

You can't possibly believe what you are saying brother lol

 

[Tom Hill]

I told you a million times now that insency crap was ok might have you take a second look walking through the jungle or the streets of adam but it damn sure dont come close to the rip your hear off shit.

 

[@hempy]

Nevil knew his craft Tom sure he was a business man but he opened the first seed store was the guy that mailed millions of seed all over the world and for that was facing life in a US federal prison. They even tried to kidnap his from Holland.

Nevil has a huge following to this day and many that criticized him are cashing in after his passing using his work.

 

[@hempy]

I told you a million times now that insency crap was ok might have you take a second look walking through the jungle or the streets of adam but it damn sure dont come close to the rip your hear off shit.

I told people no Haze hybrid from NH or any other line i grew ever had a incense smell you get a set smell from the smoke not from the fresh or cured flower.

I always found slight fruity or floral spicy type smells in the flower some not many had a Thai like smell also.

What i always saw in Haze was the look of Thai and Colombian coming out.

 

[Tom Hill]

Them nevil cuts turned brown. It happens with greasy cuts from chem4 to og. Is gasses out on the line and ferments. I like them that do that.

 

[@hempy]

Tom you find what you were looking for in the 2003 seed.

I found a loss of vigor from the one gen on from the 97 F1s and loss in yield but the seed were old have to be 18/19 year old now.

A friend put me onto a product that is said to replace the lost hormones gives the seedling vigor root growth and more this is analysis of the product.

TYPICAL ANALYSIS W/V
Total Potassium (K) (as organic)2667 mg/L
Calcium (Ca)4.13%
Sulfur (S)1.24%
Magnesium (Mg)734 mg/L
Iron (Fe)160 mg/L
Zinc (Zn)71 mg/L
Manganese (Mn)64 mg/L
Molybdenum (Mo)8 mg/L
SG1.1
pH8 – 9
Conductivity5 – 15 mS/cm

Told it replaces the hormones lost in old seed.

 

[@hempy]

I have been interested in methods of germinating old seed and doing a bit of research of late on the subject.

I used the coco water method and had good success.

I plan on getting this new product that replaces the lost enzymes and hormones in very old seed to use on old seed i have and increase germination %.

There are some very interesting methods from home made formulas using dry peas to kits that you can guy online.

How many of you are holding or trying to germinate old seed and have used any of these formulas or kits offered now with success ?, I would love to hear your experiences and results.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I try not to get into the Nevil vs Sam thing any more but at the end of the day nether of them created Haze.

Nevil told me the story of how he bought the Haze seed along with other lines from Sam and the dates of each of the haze lots.

I always thought it was odd Nevil never put out pure Haze and i thought it was more about protecting the breeding stock he had not going to competitors i was wrong thinking that as Nevil explained to me and has posted this also that when he inbreed haze it turned to hay.

That is why he felt haze needed out-crossing to a unrelated sativa like a pure Thai.

Going by the owner of Super Sativa Seed Club one of Nevil's new offering the OUT BACK HAZE is the best haze currently in Holland.

he made an agreement with sam that he wouldnt sell any of the stock he gave him in pure form ,
though according to sam , he broke that promise ,
so there is more to it than what he told you re the outcrossing , though that holds some value too ,more than likely ,
not sure if the agreement with sam extended to the skunk or what , but yea you have seen the back and forward related to that ,
its one of the reasons sam says nevil was not trustworty ...

and heres a little side serving of nevils haze to go with that order ....
seed from pre 2011 according to my source ,
why that is important , who the heck knows ...

 

[regseeds]

I have been interested in methods of germinating old seed and doing a bit of research of late on the subject.

I used the coco water method and had good success.

I plan on getting this new product that replaces the lost enzymes and hormones in very old seed to use on old seed i have and increase germination %.

There are some very interesting methods from home made formulas using dry peas to kits that you can guy online.

How many of you are holding or trying to germinate old seed and have used any of these formulas or kits offered now with success ?, I would love to hear your experiences and results.

Will give your coco water method a go Hemp.

I have lost 50 old beans this summer, Gravity, Old Red Panama, F13 and a few others.

Nothing causes me more pain than seeds that do not germinate. I tried Snowhigh’s method of manually cracking the seed, which worked to my surprise. It felt very invasive/unnatural but gave 100% germination on the 11 golden oldies I tested.

 

[@hempy]

he made an agreement with sam that he wouldnt sell any of the stock he gave him in pure form ,
though according to sam , he broke that promise ,
so there is more to it than what he told you re the outcrossing , though that holds some value too ,more than likely ,
not sure if the agreement with sam extended to the skunk or what , but yea you have seen the back and forward related to that ,
its one of the reasons sam says nevil was not trustworty ...

and heres a little side serving of nevils haze to go with that order ....
seed from pre 2011 according to my source ,
why that is important , who the heck knows ...

People act like Sam gave Nevil seed for free no Nevil paid big money for the seed he got and Nevil told me there was no agreement just a exchange of seed for large amounts of of money.

You dont sell seed to a seed seller and expect them to not make seed.

Why was the Flying Dutchman and others allowed to sell pure Haze seed ? Sorry a thinking man would lough at this claim.

As for the work Nevil did with the Haze i have posted it there is a reason why Nevil kept plants for years if the Haze pure he made was as good as the parental plants why would you need to keep clones.

Nice looking flower Donald.

 

[@hempy]

Will give your coco water method a go Hemp.

I have lost 50 old beans this summer, Gravity, Old Red Panama, F13 and a few others.

Nothing causes me more pain than seeds that do not germinate. I tried Snowhigh’s method of manually cracking the seed, which worked to my surprise. It felt very invasive/unnatural but gave 100% germination on the 11 golden oldies I tested.

I will post it up in a few and give you a link to a kit for germing old seed the kit looks real interesting
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