The Haze discussion thread

[@hempy]

I hate to brake it to you Donald but the best cannabis in Australia dose not just come from your part of the continent this pissing contest needs to stop i find it rather sad to be honest that you some how think your in the only sweet spot lol.

Its all about genetics and you should of worked that out by now sativas are grown all the way down to South Australia on the east coast 20Thia was way south of me and his Thais and sativas looked fine to me.

Nevil and Kangas plants looked fine also but i guess there plants were sub standard to going by you logic right lol.

Genetics alone determines SMELLS- TASTE-TYPE of AFFECT-YIELD- FLOWER STRUCTURE and so on not the latitude.

Out door growing plants is not knew to me i started on out door growing you act like i have no understanding and it kinda gets old to be honest.

Have you even grown a sativa indoors to know the differences my moneys on no because i have yet to read any of you tell me the differences shown by the same sativa grown indoors vs out doors and i will give you a hint its not potency or affect.

 

[Donald Mallard]

if you cant understand about climate ,
after a supposed 40 years of experience,
then its a waste of time explaining it to you man ,,

yes of course i have grown sativas indoors ,
i have grown tens of thousands of plants in my time ,
not like your little 3 at a time jobs ,
now stop talking to me and trying to prove something ,
because you have nothing ...

read other peoples posts too ,, you seem to be the only one that has no clue hempy ...

now run off and trim some more leaf off your skinny little plants ... sheez ....

 

[@hempy]

if you cant understand about climate ,
after a supposed 40 years of experience,
then its a waste of time explaining it to you man ,,

yes of course i have grown sativas indoors ,
i have grown tens of thousands of plants in my time ,
not like your little 3 at a time jobs ,
now stop talking to me and trying to prove something ,
because you have nothing ...

read other peoples posts too ,, you seem to be the only one that has no clue hempy ...

now run off and trim some more leaf off your skinny little plants ... sheez ....

I fully understand what roll the environment plays Donald but this has nothing to do with that or growing or science or reality its more about ego and your need to put me down.

Your 3 at a time jobs comment proves your ignorance mate.

 

[Koondense]

A lot of nonsense here,
the same plant can give different results when grown indoors with just different temperatures for example. Had my indoor cuts grown outdoors and could not recognise them, very different compared to what i had indoors. Same cuts in winter temps or different soil mix will give different results to spring growm weed or summer grown. Similar goes for light spectrums, type of nutrients and so on...
The debate here is way too simplistic, made to measure cocks instead of providing factual infos. A waste of time for most readers, a delight for people who want drama and soap opera.

Cheers

 

[@hempy]

A lot of nonsense here,
the same plant can give different results when grown indoors with just different temperatures for example. Had my indoor cuts grown outdoors and could not recognise them, very different compared to what i had indoors. Same cuts in winter temps or different soil mix will give different results to spring growm weed or summer grown. Similar goes for light spectrums, type of nutrients and so on...
The debate here is way too simplistic, made to measure cocks instead of providing factual infos. A waste of time for most readers, a delight for people who want drama and soap opera.

Cheers

There are differences in sativas grown indoors to out doors but non of you have been specific in pointing them differences out and its not potency or affect as i have already pointed that out.

I find it very disrespectful that i continue to be singled out in my own thread because i grow sativas indoors this only shows ignorance.

You came here to contribute what exactly Koondense ? Throw some insults and like Donalds shity post i take it.

Hard to discuss any thing when your constantly being disrespected i guess that's the plan has been from the start.

 

[CannaT]

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[CosmicGiggle]

settle down, alla yas, keep calm and carry on, thanks!

 

[Koondense]

No disrespect hempy, my post is written in general, not just to you.
I disagree as my experience contradicts what you and some others say, this is not disrespect but regular conversation.
The differences i noticed in my plants were morphologic, structiral and to some degree related to terpenes and maybe potency, from how i observe things(parameters) it was a subjective description but some things could be easily measured, sadly never did measure the cannabinoids content but the effects were differing a bit.
This is my contribution for now, hopefully noone gets irritated over this or i will join the many who left this thread for calmer threads and attitudes.
I'll flower my hazes as soon as i come back from holidays so maybe will contribute more in the future.

Best vibes

 

[mr.brunch]

I love both indoor and outdoor weed, but personally find there’s nothing quite as satisfying as smoking some that has spent it’s life under the sun, plugged into the ground

 

[Donald Mallard]

A lot of nonsense here,
the same plant can give different results when grown indoors with just different temperatures for example. Had my indoor cuts grown outdoors and could not recognise them, very different compared to what i had indoors. Same cuts in winter temps or different soil mix will give different results to spring growm weed or summer grown. Similar goes for light spectrums, type of nutrients and so on...
The debate here is way too simplistic, made to measure cocks instead of providing factual infos. A waste of time for most readers, a delight for people who want drama and soap opera.

Cheers

i thought this was the one of the fun things about growing cannabis,
that you got a different result to me based on your conditions ,
smell , taste , potency , the look of the flowers ,
all those things can vary depending on grow conditions , types of ferts ,
temperatures , light spectrums ,
its well known that is the case , we are not discovering anything new really ,

thanks for chiming in with your thoughts/experiences koondense,
i think any further discussion has to be had in rahos thread though ,
its obvious this sort of explorative discussion is not received well in this thread,
the op thinks we are singling them out due to his persecution complex ,

I'm just interested in narrowing things down a little and trying to discuss how to improve results for indoor growing of sativas ,
based on what I've seen others say , this is quite possible these days with new lighting,
and the odd other bit of tweaking ...
I've been super impressed with the results I've seen using led lights to grow otherwise difficult sativas ,
some almost as good as if they were grown in their natural setting , i see that as a massive compliment btw ,
not an insult to indoor growers ,, these are the things we have been striving to achieve for the last 2 or 3 decades imho ...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

There are differences in sativas grown indoors to out doors but non of you have been specific in pointing them differences out and its not potency or affect as i have already pointed that out.

I find it very disrespectful that i continue to be singled out in my own thread because i grow sativas indoors this only shows ignorance.

You came here to contribute what exactly Koondense ? Throw some insults and like Donalds shity post i take it.

Hard to discuss any thing when your constantly being disrespected i guess that's the plan has been from the start.

I actually think you've grown the nevils haze really well indoors....you've actually got quite alot of bud on it....I seen some one growing the old nevils haze from cuttings in a greenhouse ages ago....the plants were all really stretched out and over 6ft tall...but at most there was about 50 grams on each plant....so you've done well....even nevils #21 from clone outdoors wouldn't put out huge thick buds...so well done so far.

 

[@hempy]

As this is meant to be about sharing i will enlighten those that are genuinely interested in the differences of indoor grown sativa compared to that of out door grown sativas.

I saw the differences as soon as i started growing indoors but i ran an experiment using i think it was 9 different phinos of Mango Haze the out door location was my cousins farm so it was a more controlled grow so that the plants had a better grow condition in short.

I did this because on the Cannabis World forum the same debate existed back then and i knew it was bull shit but i put it to a test as that is the only way to scientifically prove it.

I asked for a bag from each plant and for them to be numbered after harvest so i could compare each of the clones honestly to that of the indoor clone.

The Results were interesting the out door flowers were all more leafy they all had a very earthy taste were the Indoor flowers had a much better bag appeal more visible resin and all were much nicer tasting.

The most important part of the experiment was no surprise they as in each clone pairs had the same potency and affect no difference in the out doors vs indoors no surprises considering as that is controlled by genetics.

A key point no one brings up about sativas grown indoors to sativas grow out doors that is out door plants mature from the top down yet indoors they mature from the bottom up i know why but i am surprised people don't bring this point up as its so obvious.

 

[@hempy]

I actually think you've grown the nevils haze really well indoors....you've actually got quite alot of bud on it....I seen some one growing the old nevils haze from cuttings in a greenhouse ages ago....the plants were all really stretched out and over 6ft tall...but at most there was about 50 grams on each plant....so you've done well....even nevils #21 from clone outdoors wouldn't put out huge thick buds...so well done so far.

Hi Dark no these NH were poor yielding compared to there parents i put that down to the seed being very old i expected a lot more vigor to be honest but the seed were 18/19 year old so i expect much better from the clones.

Dont get me wrong i am very happy with the 3 plants i selected and to be honest they exceed my expectations and i got lucky in the selection of F1s i used to make the F2s i would like to think it was my method of selection in the parents but we all know with hybrids its more luck than any thing else lol.

 

[Donald Mallard]

i guess that test would hold a lot more weight if you tested the plants in more than 1 outdoor climate ,
as far as I'm reading ,
in your climate , and according to the 1 judge that sampled the end products ,
you grow better mango haze indoor to what you grow on your farm ,

i don't think that is a "end of story" kind of test really hempy ,
scientific tests need to be a little more thorough than that ,
it would involve quite a few climates ,
quite a few growers , different ferts , conditions and a jury of judges to assess the end products ...

its cool that you were interested enough to give the test a go ,
but the results are by no means conclusive at all ...

 

[@hempy]

They are conclusive results from were i stand and genetics determines potency and affect and all the rest but Environment yes dose plays a role in things like growing conditions.

You need to allow the plant to fully mature and allow the plant to fully express there best at harvest.You cant expect shit soil and pests and plants being harvested early because of adverse conditions like frost/snow or extreme weather events to be at there full potential at harvest.

You cant pull out the science card one minuet and then put it away the next to win a debate like it or not Potency and the type of affect a cannabis plant has is genetic full stop.

 

[Donald Mallard]

im sorry hempy ,
but the test you did doesn't rate as a scientific test ,
for the reasons i outlined in my previous post ,
as i said its nice you have the interest in doing such tests ,
but in order for it to be conclusive ,
you need to be more rigorous , include other climates ,
other growers , different ferts , soils , hours etc etc etc
otherwise you are only proving something to yourself ,
and its not anything scientific really ....

i don't dispute your last sentence ,
that potency and type of effect is genetic ,
your 100 % correct ,
but those things are affected by climate , growing conditions etc
a bit like what you said right above that sentence ,
but its a little broader than that ....

 

[LostTribe]

Some more shitty indoor grown plants by hempy

The NH F2 i call plant A



MM i call Medusa

They are nicely grown, no clawing and just the slight tips.

I started keeping my cuts in aero again and everything looks much healthier. All the scary stories of N issues and their extreme stretching pushed me to soil but next will be seeing how/if they will fair in pure hydro. I am also worried about the roots being in hydro for so long a run knowing now that they will need at least a few weeks veg. Worried that hydro will cause them to go crazy wild due to the root zone environment, bigger root system, more air etc. Well, even that is an unknown w hydro as I normally veg twice as fast in my hydro setups. Either way it will be quite an experiment it seems. Should be able to answer a lot of my questions fairly quickly into bloom though.

 

[@hempy]

Thanks lost hydro is in my humble opinion the better option for indoors you use sterile medium so no risk of introducing pests to your grow and your plants are able to take up the food as they need it as its all ready broken down to a micro level for the roots to take. You don't need to play around fixing and amending soil and to be honest most potting mix's here are complete shit and use slow release chemical fertilizes any way.If i grow in soil it has to be directly into the ground.

There are many different methods of hydro one can use roots can be a problem in say a NFT system i used one for a bit and found my self needing to cut back roots that were growing down to the rez.

Hydroponics dose not need to be complicated to get great results a simple pot filled with a good quality pre washed coco core medium and good quality nutrient is all you need.You can keep your mom plants in them for a long time only needing to cut back the plants to keep them manageable.

Were things get a little complicated when growing sativas in hydroponics is feeding some sativas like full feeding until your ready to flush and harvest.
Some sativas like full feeding up until they start to sex and from that point need half strength feeding until half way into flowering and then need say 1/4 feeding or just water with a neutral 7Ph till harvest.
Other sativas may only need water with a neutral 7Ph from the start of flower.

It sounds complicated but its not it comes down to the grower knowing the strain /line part of dialing the plant line in i call it.

To grow big plants the max size of bucket i use is 20 Lt i think that's about 5gal i experimented larger smaller sizes but you get no benefit going larger than 20Lt.

 

[Hammerhead]

I can def change how my plants express themselves based on the environment. The further you get from ideal conditions the worse the quality will be. How plants are grown has a huge effect. People with a lot of growing experience typically grow healthier plants.

 

[@hempy]

How the plants are handles from the point of harvest to when there ready to be smoked i think is as important because more good cannabis is trashed that way than most know.