the Hand Watering coco thread

[gigi86]

Atm the little branches is having a bad color ( light green) but the old leaves is still have a great color (deep green) , maybe is for the ph....
I m just thinking is strange that from the seed to now they never had problem with hand water with the same water ,same ec , same ph ,maybe the drip system doesnt work good ( but I dont think so).
tomorrow I will do a complete flush in case I will use 20gal of ph 5 ^^ just need to w8 24 hours because I m using tap water+RO water , maybe tomorrow I will post some pics of the plant ^^

 

[azad]

What a killer thread,I've been reading for the last few weeks.
I just sneaked up here to say a BIG thank you to Bonecarver and all the good guys who share helpfull info!!
Stay well and Grow strong!!

 

[gaiusmarius]

the thing is in coco the return ph and ec is not as important as what goes in.
what goes in nutrient solution wise, should never be too far off 5.9 ph wise imo. if you feed with ph 5.9, that is what matters, the return at 6.5 will not stay like that long. i'm very interested to hear how it goes with your coco system out doors with automatic watering. should be amazing. coco is the only hydroponic medium that even works with such high temps. i would just keep watering with ph 5.9 with time you will see the return ph go down, it can get to 5.0 by the half way point, in which case just water with ph 6.1 and when you do do a flush you do like NiteTiger said and go to 5.0 if you need to lower it and 6.5 if you want to lift it. for the rest just keep it basic and listen to your plants, they will tell you when they want higher nutrient levels.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

just a thought;
handwatering flush to waste using a lot of water, many times during the day if its needed usually makes sure there is little fluctuacion in ph or ec. when its hot i water the plants every 3-4 hours. not much will happen during that time.

yeah i wanna see pics also i loved coco outdoors, even if we did it handwatering. the yields can get pretty big

 

[gigi86]

Tnx guys for the answer ^^
Gaiusmarius you mean that is ok a ph from 5.8 to 6.4 in the inner coco medium?
toady I flushed them with ph 5 water and finally the runoff was 5.9 ;D ope them will be happy for this work.
Atm the leaf have a light green color maybe is cal-mag deficient but I read that a tap water with an EC of 0,4 have enoght cal-mag inside my tap water is around 0.6 but I cut it wit 20% of RO water so I dont know why those plant in the first week of flowering have this problem ( I m reading alot of thread for it but I still dont know why ?_?)

the first two pics is BB ch33s3 the third is a wh1t3 wid0w

 

[bonecarver_OG]

ah ok.. you are using clay balls on top of the coco. it can be part of the PH problem. as far as i know they clay balls have high ph.

id just get rid of them. dont need to have it on top of coco.

peace

 

[gigi86]

eheh I wash it before but you also right , I will take out tomorrow and put them in the garbage ^^
do you think with my today' s work those plant will be fine?
I m so disapointed about my first cycle of coco that had a bad finish had the same problem of the second but now I have a bit more knowledge maybe this time I will harvest it finally.
P.s.
bonecaver I love your work with coco and how you and marius are helpfull for the coco' s grower ( and for all the newbee like me) ;D

 

[marrdogg]

Great info as my runoff ph was actually low 5.5 after watering with a nute solution ph'ed to 6.0. Will my runoff so to speak level itself out. I'm using canna coco,maxi-bloom,cal-mag+ also using tap water with a ph of 7.9 & 225 ppm. Peace

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

Great info as my runoff ph was actually low 5.5 after watering with a nute solution ph'ed to 6.0. Will my runoff so to speak level itself out. I'm using canna coco,maxi-bloom,cal-mag+ also using tap water with a ph of 7.9 & 225 ppm. Peace

Runoff composition is an interesting thing to look at, but nothing to fret over. It will vary all over the place with different strains and the level of their nutrient uptake. It's most important to have the pH of your nutrient solution in the correct range at the time of it being administered.

mgk

 

[Granger2]

Yes definitely get rid of the hydroton, and lay off the water/nutes for a bit. Let the plants get fairly dry, almost to the point of wilting, then start back. The hydroton stifles air exchange to/from coco. I know others will probably disagree, but seems to me you're watering way too often.
-granger

 

[gigi86]

tnx granger2 I removed clay balls.... do you think I need to stop to feed those just 1 day or more?

 

[Bubba_krch]

Its sweet to see a lot of people using this stuff. Here in the mitten we have a local nute guy that had a complete formula 2 part solution made and he sells it at the local grow shops, its sweet. You do not need anything else but these two bottles. Cogo's cannabis formula. It works GREAT! I have some babies in straight coco and some in sunshine #4 and they are both loving it up. I have never had problems with ph, cal/mag or anything before when i was using Advanced Nutrients or now with my local shit. I recommend coco to everyone. I love AN but i am tired of paying for the name and to be honest if your not organic its all just numbers, most suppliers use medical grade materials in their products anyways.

 

[Green lung]

Looks like overwatering to me.

Coco needs to be treated like soil when transplanting into new pot.


Let the coco dry out, and let those roots explore the coco. Lift up the pot and if its light weight its time to water, heavy feeling don't water.


As your roots explore the coco and build up you can water more more often.



Right now you are just pouring more water into soaked coco with a very small root system, and that is what is causing your stunted growth, striping, spots and what not

 

[marrdogg]

Good looking my man. Peace!

 

[gigi86]

Yea today I switch off my drip system and this week I will only hand water ^^ maybe every 2 days I just need to check the weight of the pot ( tnx green lung)
tomorrow I will go to buy I coco specific nutes because now I m use atami a+b for hydroponic maybe I will buy hesi coco nutes or I can use hydro nutes also? ( just for dont waste them )

 

[farmdalefurr]

Enjoi

 

[gigi86]

Hello guys today I cheked my vege clone run off and all have a ph range of 6.5-7 but its semm have no problem ( the only problem is when I switch them into 12hours period =/ )
as gaiusmarius wrote btw I m continue to feed them with a water +nutes ph 5.8 put ph still so high can someone explain me what I should to do plz.
P.S.
My baby in flower box its look like happy for the handwater ( only 1 feed a day with 10% of runoff the was ph5.8 after flush today I will re-check it )
this is the photo of my vege box

 

[Green lung]

Don't worry about the runoff ph, make sure you watering with 5.6-6.0.

I have never checked my runoff.


Also take something and put it under your pots (I use upside saucers) so the pot is up off the ground and the runoff flows onto the ground and is not reabsorbed by the coco.

When in veg it its not as important to get the runoff away, in veg I don't water to waste, but in flower IMO its important for that runoff not be reabsorbed by the coco, leaving them in standing runoff causing a soggy meduim, salt build up, ph issues ect.


Your in veg, so its not salt build up that is your problem, its the soggy coco that is causing your issues


In my flower room the runoff just flows on to the ground and is evaporated, you can see how much salt builds up on the ground after a while.

 

[dramamine]

hi guys today I put my some cheese clone into wilma system I set timer for water 5 time every 4 hours for 25 minutes of water I have 3gal pot and I know that only 1 dripper for plant is not enought so I decided to hand water 1 time per day with 10% of run off.
Atm my ec is 0,7 but I m using atami coco 's substrate that have already a bit of nutes inside.... the temperature is around 28-34 C° and RH 50-60%
Am I doing right I just fail my first cycle this is my second cycle with coco....
P.s.
I have other 2 plant in coco outdoor just testing if coco work good in outdoor I wish that I can harvest it ( august27-october 27) .
If anyone have some tips for it I will be so grateful ;D

Hey bro....I'm kinda surprised that no one said anything about this already, but you really aren't feeding enough if I'm reading correctly. If your EC is .7 and you start with tap water of EC .3 or .4, you are really not giving them enough nutrients to stay healthy. I'm not sure what your Atami coco has in it, but EC 1.2 or so should make them green right up.

You could check what your runoff EC is, but I'll bet it's quite low at those feed levels...really not much chance of salt buildup.

Just thought I'd throw that out to you...hope it helps.

 

[gigi86]

yo bro tnx for the fast feedback ^^

Green lung : you say right about to put some thing under the pot I will check something to put under.... about flower period I m using atami drip system so my run off will fall donw in the tank and re-used ( I check every day ph but atm I have stop it and start hand water for let root set the final pot)

dramamine: I use low EC because I m really afraid about overfert (first time with coco and generally other substrate that's not soil)
atm I m using ata hydro a+b 2ml\5LT, hydro boost 1ml\5LT , bloei 1ml\5LT and pk13 2ml\5LT all this mixed in one tank with 50\50 tap water ro water
Am I wrong?


Now after the flush the plant in the flower box have the big leaf so weak like rizla paper but the little turned the green light to a normal green what is going on?
Another question is the epsom salt essential for grow in coco? I make this question because alot of people write about it (my tap water EC is 0.5 ) and maybe part of all my problem is linked about this thing ( in my country they call it english salt is this? )

However tnx you all for the support ;D