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The cluster I found hatched into cats, but I don't know for sure if they were any species that we consider to be bud worms. They looked like small, transparent inch worm types.
 

ponolove

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I found another batch today, all my googling is saying moth eggs. Not disagreeing with anyone, just gonna spray again, cross my fingers and see what hatches in my Tupperware science project. I definitely have the white moths in my garden, though not as bad this year.
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Bud Green

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The cluster I found hatched into cats, but I don't know for sure if they were any species that we consider to be bud worms. They looked like small, transparent inch worm types.

The small, transparent inch worm types,(actually only about 1/2 inch long) are the kind I get. Yes, I consider them bud worms.. They munch in your buds, then they shit where they eat...
(It looks like very tiny black beads)... I believe it's the inch worm poop that gets wet from morning dew that causes your buds to rot.

If you don't find the worms and kill 'em, they turn into small moths which fly to your next plant and lay more eggs...
 

Adze

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You suppose mom laid her eggs where breakfast was easily available when they hatch? Whatever they are, good you found them.
 

Yes4Prop215

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wow never seen moth eggs like that usually the clusters i see are much smaller maybe a dozen tops.

anyways the BT is working, did a big garden scan today and found several nugs that had dead cats, they were just lying on undisturbed nugs bodies burnt and shriveled from the sun. the few cats i found that were still alive were barely wiggling and looked sick. gonna put one more BT on them, i was told that moths like to live around Oak trees and my foothills spot is pretty much all oak trees so the cats are hitting very hard this year.


sucks my camera is broken but i really want to post some new shots, i have a few SFV x Fire Alien kush fem seeds that are almost done and have great yield and OG funk.
 

Bud Green

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Thankfully, all the eggs showing in Ponolove's photo don't seem to ALL hatch and turn into the little inchworm caterpillars..

I've found a leaf or 2 per season that looks like Pono's pic, (must be hundreds of eggs) but Ive only found 5 or so caterpillars and suffered a dozen or so (at the most) small, rotted buds per year....
 

ponolove

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So inspected tops pretty good today and we found about ten of those egg clusters. All were on the upper part of the plant, and on the eastern or northern part of the plant. I sprayed a mix of kelp extract, bt and spinosad, about half of each because that's what I had handy. I normally don't spray in the evening this late in the game but there was no way I could rest knowing those things could be hatching.
 

GanjaRebelSeeds

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Finally took some pics. I forgot to take the lens cap off the camera for most of them. I did get some good ones of a plant with a 40 ft circumference. Will upload them soon.
 

TheOutlawTree

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Holy shit Pono, you must have a high population of moths in your area. Just like Yes4Prop I have also only found smaller clusters of like 10 or so.

You should consider releasing Trichogramma Pretiosum and T. Minutum (parasitic wasps) in high numbers around your farm / plants.

I've been releasing them weekly, and haven't seen any cat's. Last year they loved the OG.... This year half the garden is OG and there's 0% damage so far. Its hard to say whether the wasps are doing work or not, because I still haven't noticed them flying around at all or anything. I liked the idea of the wasps because they are supposed to go after the eggs before they hatch. Theres a place in Redding CA that sells them its called 'the beneficial insectary'.
 

Yes4Prop215

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yea cats showed up early this year….electric traps posted 10-20 yards away from garden site are killing tons of moths and insects. cat damage seems to be subsiding after 3 BT treatments, i see some calyxes rotted but it stops after a while and the rest of the plant keeps going, means they are eating and dying quick before they can damage a whole cola. i seem to be having more issues with basic house flies this year…mother fuckers are everywhere, not a big issue for plants except they like to land on colas and die. I've had to put up many sticky traps and apply spinosad and azamax.

gonna do one more BT treatment and then i think things are good for the year. i like to double up my BT sprays fast, do one and then follow up within 3 days, wait a week and then another back to back BT spray so that it reapplies as the nug swells. so it doesn't matter if a cat is deep in the cola or on the outside its still eating BT and having its guts melt away.

sap ph and high brix are the truth though, i couldn't find a spider mite or any other kind of mite if i tried. its almost weird how theres no mites this year, dont want to jinx myself but damn they are just not interested in my plants this year. everything is still lush green compared to last year when i had early yellowing from the norcal blend. we are using less amendment than last year too….not even doing many foliar feeds, foliars strictly reserved for pest and mold prevention this year. all food has been through topdressing and a couple teas.
 

EastBayGrower

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im going through the same shit with the cats as well, LOVING my ogs more than anything else, and half my garden is OG too lol

been squishing eggs like crazy but have only found 2 live cats inside a rotted bud, tell tale sign of cat damage... hopefully the BT is working, i really want to be done spraying anything on my flowers but if i go back and see any more additional cat damage there getting sprayed with double stregth BT/Serenade one more time, it does smell but should dissipate quickly being organic
 
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