The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Backyard Farmer]

definately true but an investment and equity standpoint. my only hesitation comes from this damn measure A 150 sq ft limit, if for some reason i got served compliance checks on my property, it would be easier for me to cut and run with cold frames and hoopties than a 80k greenhouse.

all things that need to be weighed and calculated. really sucks whats going on, i have a few homies up in shasta who got screwed by the ban as well..

I think you'd be less likely to get a compliance check on a structure permitted to be there than a scab set up with PVC and tarps.

 

[Red Berry]

Weird how the 2 plants per hole fantasy game ends in the drying room ....

 

[mendo-local]

What a great season! Little bit of funky weather but overall amazing. Props to all you guys putting in the hard work to grow A grade outdoor. Give yourselves a pat on the back and treat yourselves to something nice, you deserve it. Peace

 

[hup234]

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[HorseMouth]

Yes4Prop215,

I have to agree with your reasoning on amending holes and seeing what shakes out in the next two years. 80K for a technically temporary structure (no real foundation) isn't the best for your hillside situation. As well as a simple mistake or calculation would bump that number to $100.
As flippant as those numbers are and how they are presented, I am from the school that there has to be a target number for cost per pound produced (bagged and weighed). You would have to run your personal numbers to see how many years it would take to amortize that cost to the point where it is acceptable.

With the extract/larf profit mostly being assigned to offset the trimming cost.


God Bless Oregon. I'm pretty sure we can expect most of our new regs. to be enacted in July 2015.

Peace

 

[milkyjoe]

Weird how the 2 plants per hole fantasy game ends in the drying room ....

I get less than 1/2 from either one imo. I will never try it again. What is your experience RB?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Yes4Prop215,

I have to agree with your reasoning on amending holes and seeing what shakes out in the next two years. 80K for a technically temporary structure (no real foundation) isn't the best for your hillside situation. As well as a simple mistake or calculation would bump that number to $100.
As flippant as those numbers are and how they are presented, I am from the school that there has to be a target number for cost per pound produced (bagged and weighed). You would have to run your personal numbers to see how many years it would take to amortize that cost to the point where it is acceptable.

With the extract/larf profit mostly being assigned to offset the trimming cost.


God Bless Oregon. I'm pretty sure we can expect most of our new regs. to be enacted in July 2015.

Peace

yea its definately something I'm considering. these new regulations are going to increase enforcement needs of the local cops way beyond their capability. they were not even able to strictly enforce the previous ordinance which was already very generous…let alone measure A which will make almost every garden in the county illegal. they aren't getting extra funds or extra cops to do all of this either. it comes down to a numbers game and a gamble. if i do get compliance checked, better to have as little investment as possible.

shasta countys rules sound rough as well, I'm hoping there are some legal challengers to both these counties ordinances sometime down the line.

also i read that even though Oregon is legal, they are dismantling their medical program?

 

[z-ro]

Humboldt has the 100 or 150sq ft limit, hasn't seemd to be slowing anyone down. If you throw up huge mackin greenies without a permit they will eventually come check you out, if you have everything on your property permitted you stand a lot better chance when they are going through the list of exactly which parcels they are gonna bust.

 

[theJointedOne]

I wonder if Butte is going to be requesting additional funds/support from federal agencies. CAMP is alive again (as well as many other task forces/ect) and I am sure they are salivating in their vampire blood sucking mouths.

Stay safe out there

 

[milkyjoe]

Here is the latest update on the Coot Mix Project with Rare Earth. Michael Astera just sent me the final Rx amendment recommendations to the soil test I previously posted. It was almost dead on the numbers, but small amendments were recommended and now Rare Earth can get a final price on it. Jamie from Rare Earth stated it will be next week before she can throw the numbers together. All the good stuff will be in the mix with no cutting corners. Malibu Compost, Big Worm Earth Worm Castings. Minerals from several parts of the US. Neem Cake from Neem Resource. Crustacean mix of crab and shrimp, and the list of quality goes on. The original mix was dried and weighed without the lava rock so when the soil test was completed, it would be correct for the light weight peat mix.

I do not know how much Rare Earth will charge, but do not expect it to be cheap. Quality always costs more. Jamie will have Yards and Totes and they have several trucks for delivery to wherever you want it delivered. A copy of the soil test will be available with each purchase. Shoot me a PM or question here and I will answer to the best of my ability. Later folks.

Can I ask what the weight was? Somewhere around 500 lbs?

 

[bamboogardner]

Can I ask what the weight was? Somewhere around 500 lbs?

1 Cubic Yard = 775.71 Pounds Dry WITHOUT THE LAVA or 28.730 for a Cubic Foot, again without lava.

 

[Red Berry]

I get less than 1/2 from either one imo. I will never try it again. What is your experience RB?

More yield .just makes a bigger "plant" quicker .adjusting the timing and spacing is where you Have to pay attention . easy to mis match and end up with a mess.

 

[milkyjoe]

1 Cubic Yard = 775.71 Pounds Dry WITHOUT THE LAVA or 28.730 for a Cubic Foot, again without lava.

How is N going to be addressed if I can ask.

 

[bamboogardner]

How is N going to be addressed if I can ask.

Personally I will be planting a leguminous cover crop, such as alfalfa, clover, hairy vetch, or peas. These plants collaborate with soil bacteria to absorb nitrogen from the air and deposit it in tiny root nodules, a process called nitrogen fixation. A cover crop planted in the fall or early spring and turned into the ground can provide most if not all the nitrogen needed by the crop planted afterward. But that is only one great way to boost nitrogen.

Since the the mix contains Malibu Compost, a mixture of manure, straw, vineyard wood chips, and biodynamic concentrations of yarrow, chamomile, valerian, stinging nettle, dandelion, and oak bark, along with the Earthworm Castings, there should be no shortage of N. Some people use the Coot Mix with out adding anything through out the whole grow cycle.

But it should be up to the purchaser to decide if there is enough N in the mix. They will be given a soil test report from Logan Labs indicating the N in the mix and they can amend from there, whether they use Stutzmans or other sources of N. Hope that helps. Nobody is claiming that this Coot's Mix is the "magic bullet", but it is as close to Albrecht's Formula as you can get. That coupled with Michael Astera's recommendations to bring it up to par, the mix should be a good one. But if you are a poor farmer, no mix in the world is going to help you be successful.

 

[milkyjoe]

Nice. One more and the I quit. I assume that Michael mostly addressed micro shortages...the one area I feel that mix is lacking...?

Anyways fantastic work bamboo.

 

[bamboogardner]

Nice. One more and the I quit. I assume that Michael mostly addressed micro shortages...the one area I feel that mix is lacking...?

Anyways fantastic work bamboo.

Thank you for the kind words Milky. Okay, by micro shortages I assume you are referring to the micronutrients. There are 7 essential plant nutrient elements defined as micronutrients [boron (B), zinc (Zn), manganese (Mn), iron (Fe), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), chlorine (Cl)]. They constitute in total less than 1% of the dry weight of most plants. Even though they are small in quantity, they are large in the overall picture of good soil.

Logan Labs does test for most of the Micro Nutrients listed above. And Michael recommended this for the mix. Add 86g of Manganese Sulfate, Add 10 grams of Borax, Add 45 grams of Copper Sulfate, and add 32 grams of Zinc Sulfate. These additions were to one cubic yard of soil. These amendments were in addition to the amendments I listed earlier in my post.

I have been privileged to work with Jamie at Rare Earth to provide this mix. She will have it available shortly, and I am going to have 40 yards mixed up in the next couple of weeks. I understand she is still awaiting some of the product in large quantities to be delivered. I will do a final test of the product including the N and then the purchasers can take it from there and add whatever else they think is necessary. A Logan Labs test will accompany every purchase from Rare Earth, and in that manner the purchaser will know exactly where they stand.

I highly recommend people purchase early and put in a cover crop to keep the microbiology multiplying and to add additional N to the mix. Hope this answers your questions and please send more if you wish. The thread has become pretty dead as of late.

Thanks

 

[StrongBeef]

Great work BambooGardener! I have been following closely, and have talked with Jamie as well. I can't wait for this mix to be complete. What happened to the mix with 2 year old fish compost? Can we review the soil tests before buying? Once again, great work BambooGardener. Can't wait to try the mix.

 

[bamboogardner]

Great work BambooGardener! I have been following closely, and have talked with Jamie as well. I can't wait for this mix to be complete. What happened to the mix with 2 year old fish compost? Can we review the soil tests before buying? Once again, great work BambooGardener. Can't wait to try the mix.

Thank you for the kind words. Michael Astera has said that the Fish Compost comes with a lot of risks. He has used it before and was not impressed. Oils in the fish and Sodium were a main problem with past samples he has tested. So, although the fish compost was less expensive, it was not chosen since the Malibu Compost was even recommended by Coot himself and all the previous tests were with the Malibu Compost.

So if it is not broke, don't fix it. Malibu Compost it is. One other note, the mix is generally right on the money according to Albrecht's standards. Sodium was just a tad high but Michael said not to fool with it and it was not significant in regards to the overall quality of the product. I will post the final Logan Report once it is all mixed up and ready to go. Hope that helps.

 

[milkyjoe]

What is the issue with oils in fish? I am a major fan of oils as they feed the fungal network, which builds humus over time. In fact the oil in Neem Meal is the primary reason I like it. Combine it with aloe and you can build a fungal network in a hurry. On the other hand living on the edge of a desert I am no fan of Na at all.

Sea Shield also has lots of oil and has become something I feed little bits of to the soil weekly.

 

[StrongBeef]

Last year I used Malibu as well and the sodium levels were high also. The nitrates were high as well. With that said I am coming off my best year to date.

Thanks for the response and thank you for bringing this quality soil to the masses. I attended a sap analysis conference this past weekend and loads of people were interested in your work with Rare Earth. The word is spreading, thanks for everything.