The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Yes4Prop215]

yea its sad i know a fuckload of guys who didn't even vote. mostly because none are registered in butte county. my entire crew are from the bay area and chicago transplants, so none of them could vote. i registered years ago to vote for the referendum, etc. but i saw the NO on B sides almost everywhere out here, the bible thumping morons have a bad view of growers, mostly because of all the fucking idiot tweaker grows who are in your face, but they are fooling themselves if they think this will make things better.

butte county sheriff has already claimed measure A is unenforceable 100%. there are an estimated 5000 growers here, and they only raid 100 a year tops. so if they do compliance checks on 1000 then its a numbers game.

i won't be doing any more open sun big plants myself, dont want to even give those fucks a reason to come check me out. its fine, me and my crew was already gravitating away from that method of growing, GH/Lightdep with smaller plants and higher counts will be the way to go. we followed the local laws when they allowed us 72, but now that the limit has been removed, we will just go balls to the wall like the old days.

i was already planning on scooping up all my soil and re-grading my terraces for 2015 anyways.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

You can grow more off 2 30x96 with a 30x48 to veg than you can off 72 full sun trees any way

 

[sticky367]

It may have been mentioned before, off the top of your head is there a site that lists the regulations county to county?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

You can grow more off 2 30x96 with a 30x48 to veg than you can off 72 full sun trees any way

yup! was just at the county today getting grading permits. do those GH companies come with their own licensed engineers? guess i gotta do environmental review as well, did you have to take care of any of that?

 

[milkyjoe]

Technically counties aren't allowed to recommend engineers. But tell them you want to get it right...use some charm...they will give you a name. Probably a little more expensive up front. But, because the county trusts them...no back end add ons. That is the shit that gets expensive

 

[Bo Hasset]

but now that the limit has been removed, we will just go balls to the wall like the old days.

Balls to the wall in 2015 if this happened has been our back-up plan all along.

I think the general voting public doesn't realize that there is something almost something akin to an "outlaw" gene that all growers share wether following county recs or not... Make those laws as restrictive as our county just did and watch a lot of people say to themselves, "Well, can't do a legal 99 anymore... might as well go all out and do 300 scattered all over the hillside like I was doing 10-15 years ago. Fuck it."

And that's fine by me.

I voted no on A fwiw.

 

[jackpot7]

I'll be joining you guys in butte ... was ready for some giant mounds but i guess its all gh now... Respect

 

[Backyard Farmer]

yup! was just at the county today getting grading permits. do those GH companies come with their own licensed engineers? guess i gotta do environmental review as well, did you have to take care of any of that?

They have engineers that can give structural calcs for snow and wind load , I didn't have to do environmental review or grading permit , just supply the engineering detail for the structure, they let me go with no foundation detail but I think that was just because I've put a lot in to the county coffers this year and they didn't want to jam up getting more money out of me over a silly detail drawing ...

If you need a civil engineer I can give you a number for a good one

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^interesting BYF, yea we def gotta link up about chat more about GHs.

just read that shasta banned alll outdoor cultivation, didnt even allow a measly 6 plants.

THIS GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST prop 215...how are they not expecting lawsuits?

lake county banned OD growing and then got hit with a bunch of fines, there is an injunction on the ban. we have a friend who just did 50 big ones out in clearlake and i was almost sure he was going to get compliance checked and nothing. he also says there is a new sheriff in lake county who isnt as anti pot.

i got property and people out there but i fucking hate clearlake! butte county is a way better place to grow and maintain a somewhat normal lifestyle.

like i said. LOCKED DOORS STILL REQUIRE WARRANT. warrantless searches are just for visual outdoor plants and unpermitted shit.


so 100% legal permits, locked door, GH built with corrugated siding so they cant see in, and white out curtains in the ceilings for any chopper flyovers. i dont see how they would even get a damn warrant in the first place to check that out.

honestly my hillside is very hard to spot from the air because of my slope and valley, i could probably just replant my mounds and play the numbers game again next year. recurring investment would be almost nothing since i already have the dirt, infastructure, irrigation, tanks.......so i am weighing my options. its either that or spend 50-60k on permits and greenhouses, which is probably a lowball estimate for the legal route. i could also go custom built hoophouses with locked doors that i can probably build for under 5k w/0 auto dep curtains.

options options options, i was hoping to relax for the winter break but its looking like work wont be slowing down over here.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Balls to the wall in 2015 if this happened has been our back-up plan all along.

I think the general voting public doesn't realize that there is something almost something akin to an "outlaw" gene that all growers share wether following county recs or not... Make those laws as restrictive as our county just did and watch a lot of people say to themselves, "Well, can't do a legal 99 anymore... might as well go all out and do 300 scattered all over the hillside like I was doing 10-15 years ago. Fuck it."

And that's fine by me.

I voted no on A fwiw.

exactly man, those measure A supporters are so fucking braindead. they are hurting the small time backyard farmers while encouraging the cartels and other big time established networks to just say FUCK IT and go back to black market. we came from black market, were already breaking the law, so its easy to go back. i only did this legal shit the last 2 years because my county somehow voted to allow the most generous plant counts in most of norcal. if they allowed 72 il just go 72, shit even if they allowed 25 i would just grow 25.

but once they say you cant grow shit, well then il just grow 99! or 400! or 800! didnt prop47 just pass which pretty much says nonviolent crimes are very low priority for jail in CA now....HAHAH the irony.

 

[bamboogardner]

honestly my hillside is very hard to spot from the air because of my slope and valley, i could probably just replant my mounds and play the numbers game again next year.

Hey Guys, your looking at it from the wrong perspective. For your county, what does the amendment that passed have in it for a remedy? What I mean is that if you are found not compliant, is it considered a nuisance and the authorities just abate the nuisance by bringing you into compliance?

If that is the case, play the numbers game and grow it. Worst that could happen is that they come in and cut it down to bring you into compliance. A lot of counties just consider growing a nuisance, and if that is the case, go for it. Your downside loss of losing the plants definitely does not outweigh your upside gain by completing the harvest.

It will be an interesting year for sure.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

^interesting BYF, yea we def gotta link up about chat more about GHs.

just read that shasta banned alll outdoor cultivation, didnt even allow a measly 6 plants.

THIS GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST prop 215...how are they not expecting lawsuits?

lake county banned OD growing and then got hit with a bunch of fines, there is an injunction on the ban. we have a friend who just did 50 big ones out in clearlake and i was almost sure he was going to get compliance checked and nothing. he also says there is a new sheriff in lake county who isnt as anti pot.

i got property and people out there but i fucking hate clearlake! butte county is a way better place to grow and maintain a somewhat normal lifestyle.

like i said. LOCKED DOORS STILL REQUIRE WARRANT. warrantless searches are just for visual outdoor plants and unpermitted shit.


so 100% legal permits, locked door, GH built with corrugated siding so they cant see in, and white out curtains in the ceilings for any chopper flyovers. i dont see how they would even get a damn warrant in the first place to check that out.

honestly my hillside is very hard to spot from the air because of my slope and valley, i could probably just replant my mounds and play the numbers game again next year. recurring investment would be almost nothing since i already have the dirt, infastructure, irrigation, tanks.......so i am weighing my options. its either that or spend 50-60k on permits and greenhouses, which is probably a lowball estimate for the legal route. i could also go custom built hoophouses with locked doors that i can probably build for under 5k w/0 auto dep curtains.

options options options, i was hoping to relax for the winter break but its looking like work wont be slowing down over here.

your estimate is fucked up. A lot.

One 30x120 fully kitted out is 45k in just parts.

Permit will be around 2k

You need to grade a pad and do 60 holes with sonotubes and concrete. Takes approx 8 yards of concrete. 24" diameter tubes 3' deep..this is a few grand plus pump truck so u don't have to wheelbarrow it everywhere...

You need a 400 amp drop , lamps are 250 amps ventilation etc is another 30 here in trinity thats 5k plus permit for that plus electrician time for hooking up and wiring the house...

5 man labor 25 per hour x 10 hour work day x 14 days for labor

Engineering and plans 2500

It's closer to 80k per house

 

[whatthe215]

that's extremely helpful BYF, thank you.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Hey Guys, your looking at it from the wrong perspective. For your county, what does the amendment that passed have in it for a remedy? What I mean is that if you are found not compliant, is it considered a nuisance and the authorities just abate the nuisance by bringing you into compliance?

If that is the case, play the numbers game and grow it. Worst that could happen is that they come in and cut it down to bring you into compliance. A lot of counties just consider growing a nuisance, and if that is the case, go for it. Your downside loss of losing the plants definitely does not outweigh your upside gain by completing the harvest.

It will be an interesting year for sure.

100% correct, butte is a nuisance. they give you 36 hours to come into compliance. several people i know were served notices this year and had to chop but no arrests. the only arrest i know came from a guy who did 150 big ones he was way over the limit. the compliance checks this summer were for 99 on a 5 acre w/ no structure, and another friend but dont know his specifics think he was on a smaller residential lot and not allowed more than 12.


thanks for the numbers refresh BYF, yeah i remember seeing your initial 48k price tag but seems obvious there would be more to spend, it never stops!

seeing a 80k pricetag makes me want to just replug the holes and play the numbers game again. or go hoophouses and pull tarp....i dont know. have to sit down with the crew over the next few weeks and decide what to do.

when those GH companies send out their crews to build things is the hourly rate 25, or are you finding local contractors for that price?

 

[sticky367]

In mendo do you need a permited structure?

 

[bamboogardner]

Coots Mix Update

Coots Mix Update

Here is the latest update on the Coot Mix Project with Rare Earth. Michael Astera just sent me the final Rx amendment recommendations to the soil test I previously posted. It was almost dead on the numbers, but small amendments were recommended and now Rare Earth can get a final price on it. Jamie from Rare Earth stated it will be next week before she can throw the numbers together. All the good stuff will be in the mix with no cutting corners. Malibu Compost, Big Worm Earth Worm Castings. Minerals from several parts of the US. Neem Cake from Neem Resource. Crustacean mix of crab and shrimp, and the list of quality goes on. The original mix was dried and weighed without the lava rock so when the soil test was completed, it would be correct for the light weight peat mix.

I do not know how much Rare Earth will charge, but do not expect it to be cheap. Quality always costs more. Jamie will have Yards and Totes and they have several trucks for delivery to wherever you want it delivered. A copy of the soil test will be available with each purchase. Shoot me a PM or question here and I will answer to the best of my ability. Later folks.

 

[milkyjoe]

If you are using that mix allow me to make a suggestion. The trichoderma strain T. Harizianuum will exude chitonase ( an enzyme) in the prececense of chitin...crustacean meal. That enzyme will break down the meal into its elements including silica...and the chitin into chitosan. This is a good thing.

That strain is easily available commercially. A cheap way to make your crustacean meal far more effective.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

100% correct, butte is a nuisance. they give you 36 hours to come into compliance. several people i know were served notices this year and had to chop but no arrests. the only arrest i know came from a guy who did 150 big ones he was way over the limit. the compliance checks this summer were for 99 on a 5 acre w/ no structure, and another friend but dont know his specifics think he was on a smaller residential lot and not allowed more than 12.


thanks for the numbers refresh BYF, yeah i remember seeing your initial 48k price tag but seems obvious there would be more to spend, it never stops!

seeing a 80k pricetag makes me want to just replug the holes and play the numbers game again. or go hoophouses and pull tarp....i dont know. have to sit down with the crew over the next few weeks and decide what to do.

when those GH companies send out their crews to build things is the hourly rate 25, or are you finding local contractors for that price?

building something you will have to throw away isn't really good cultural practice. if you want marijuana growers to be seen as professionals, build a professional set up. an 80k investment is peanuts compared to what you'll get on the first flip out of a 3600 sq ft house.

that rate is using my own guys.

most of these gh companies that cater to ganja just see you as a dollar amount.

the best thing to do is go manufacturer direct and cut out the middle man ...all they want to do is take more of your money than you needed to spend to complete the project.

Sticky you don't need a conventional permit in Mendo you can do a class k but if you care about your property value and investing in yourself then a real per,it is the only way to go. Non permitted structures aren't assessed in to the lands value...spending money on a permitted structure is like putting money from one pocket to another.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

building something you will have to throw away isn't really good cultural practice. if you want marijuana growers to be seen as professionals, build a professional set up. an 80k investment is peanuts compared to what you'll get on the first flip out of a 3600 sq ft house.
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definately true but an investment and equity standpoint. my only hesitation comes from this damn measure A 150 sq ft limit, if for some reason i got served compliance checks on my property, it would be easier for me to cut and run with cold frames and hoopties than a 80k greenhouse.

all things that need to be weighed and calculated. really sucks whats going on, i have a few homies up in shasta who got screwed by the ban as well..

 

[epicorchard]

definately true but an investment and equity standpoint. my only hesitation comes from this damn measure A 150 sq ft limit, if for some reason i got served compliance checks on my property, it would be easier for me to cut and run with cold frames and hoopties than a 80k greenhouse.

all things that need to be weighed and calculated. really sucks whats going on, i have a few homies up in shasta who got screwed by the ban as well..

Yea I'm one of those in Shitty county. I can't wait to see what happens to the economy here next year.... oh wait, I won't be here, I won't be spending a dollar in Shasta cause I'm moving the fuck out of stupidville. I do feel bad for my friends that own and don't rent, cause land value is about to go to shit.