The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[try comb]

they only look that way when they are wet. once dry, they look great. granted, hand trimmed herb looks a little better, but I have no beef with machine trimmed nug. and if you give them a quick hand trim to handle the "negative topography" that the machine doesn't get, they are damn close to indescernable from hand trimmed nug.

there will always be my special reserve, personally selected and hand trimmed.

id be curious to see some dry pics then.....they certainly look mangled wet.

i think bud trimmed by hand would look significantly better....

im sure in a blind smoke test as far as potency goes it would be nearly impossible to determine ...... as the majority of the mass isn't on the surface that gets damaged........

i totally understand why these machines are used and am not hating at all.....its just not a method that id use........i suppose if i was trying to process hundreds of pounds i might change my tune.....

 

[nomaad]

its a commercial tool for sure, but a viable one. IMO.

 

[Ganja D]

id be curious to see some dry pics then.....they certainly look mangled wet.

i think bud trimmed by hand would look significantly better....

im sure in a blind smoke test as far as potency goes it would be nearly impossible to determine ...... as the majority of the mass isn't on the surface that gets damaged........

i totally understand why these machines are used and am not hating at all.....its just not a method that id use........i suppose if i was trying to process hundreds of pounds i might change my tune.....

When I first saw the twister in action I admit I was scared at first. I care about the quality of herb more than I care about most things in life. However truth is the bud comes out beautiful. The factor is all about using the machine properly and a lot of it has to do with preparation of the bud before going through the machine. If used properly trichomes are for the most part as nicely preserved as a hand trimmed bud. A lot of hand trimmers man handle the buds and trim them way too close losing a lot of trichs and hairs anyway in an attempt to make the bud look as if there was never any leaf.

I've been smoking some of HL's bud from last year and have compared some of the same strains grown by people in the neighborhood who have hand trimmers. In most cases the twister trimmed buds still had more crystals and flavor. No joke.

 

[localhero]

they dont to me......humboldtlocal sure is a great grower.......but that trimming process seems to ruin the outside of the buds......i understand that a lot needs to be processed at once.....but that is the last route i would take.

ive seen machine trimmed bud that doesnt look anywhere near that quality man. the twister is in my opinion the ultimate mass producer trimmer. i would seriously consider cutting off my little toe if thats what it took to get one.

i dont know many pro trimmers, and im not happy about having to search for them on los angeles craigs list...

that being said, i would probably hand trim my tops anyways, no matter how fantastic the trimmer is that i had. as much as i hate trimming, i would still like to hand craft my personal stash.

 

[danimal7]

im standing behind her with my arms stretched out , my wing span is 77"

 

[straintester]

It seems that it’s not the trimmer itself that some people have reservations about but the concept of growing such large, beautiful plants, that are cared for so diligently and for so long, that the idea of shoving these big buds through a machine seems cold and heartless.
I, myself thought about this also but I also considered the consequences and challenges met when having to trim a large amount of buds all at once. Problems arise from late harvests that are either poorly trimmed or not dried properly and the waste can be devastating Although on the onset it sounds like a great problem to have, I’m sure it really isn’t. In having a grow op of this magnitude, I can’t even wrap my hand around the responsibility it would take to deal with it. Hand trimming for most of us is a luxury and one that we would surely honour if we were to grow plants of this size. My plants are large but not even close to this type of growing and for myself and many others it becomes like an honoured ritual to harvest, trim and dry our buds and we do it with great pride.
Perhaps its this honoured ritual that makes this ‘ high tech’ part of trimming, somehow seem meaningless.
I hope this is the case because it just shows how close a bond we humans have with the plants we grow.
Ok maybe that’s a bit too much on the sentimental side but for most people I have met that grow, we feel this way.

Also with buds this size, perhaps trimming them close like this helps in storage and shipping. If they aren’t closely trimmed then there would be lots of excess ‘shake’ left over to deal with.

I still think it is awesome that the guy has ability to have such a choice, as most of us don’t.

 

[nomaad]

that being said, i would probably hand trim my tops anyways, no matter how fantastic the trimmer is that i had. as much as i hate trimming, i would still like to hand craft my personal stash.

my feelings exactly.

im standing behind her with my arms stretched out , my wing span is 77"

where'd you go?!

 

[BirdManFlyHigh]

Well, I can tell this thread ought to get some legs pretty quick, so I'll jump right in with some pictures and write something up later today.

Here's to wetting your appetites!

... and one from a friend's place that always sets new standards...

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More later - Butte

good work I can say I never seen anything like it.

 

[humboldtlocal]

id be curious to see some dry pics then.....they certainly look mangled wet.

i think bud trimmed by hand would look significantly better....

im sure in a blind smoke test as far as potency goes it would be nearly impossible to determine ...... as the majority of the mass isn't on the surface that gets damaged........

i totally understand why these machines are used and am not hating at all.....its just not a method that id use........i suppose if i was trying to process hundreds of pounds i might change my tune.....

Hey Try Comb,
Here are some dry bud shots from last year. Like I have said before, 99% of all patients/end consumers would never even know these were machine trimmed other than the fact that all the bud looks like it was trimmed by the same person. I mean to say it all looks consistent.
I'll let you be the judge.

OG

 

[g0vnaa]

Those nugs look rock hard

I have an idea which should be good for growing monsters ..if it works that is...
What do you guys think of this ?

I have an idea but I`m not sure it will work.
What do you guys think of this:

I think it is quite simple.
Grow the plant at some size, bend down and get peel of the top.
Remove leaves and skin but leave the branches ( they will even look kinda roots). Then use some rooting stimulator ( the one you use for cloning ) and plant the top in deep in the ground.
This should leave you with 1 plant but with the root for 2.
So it should have more energy to make it bigger, stronger, better
What do you think ? Will this work ?

 

[nomaad]

Looks great, HL. I find that machine trimmed herb has a characteristic "round" look to it. I can spot it a mile away. Not that it bothers me. But when I see a final product that obviously cost $180/lb less to process, I am looking for a price break in keeping with that. Seems fair, right?

Were those Butte shots at the beginning of this thread?! Crazy, I have never seen em. Sick.

 

[Madhemp]

Damn, HL Those look awesome! I'm sold. Now I just need to come up with the $14,500. I'm sort of in the middle ground with an aproximately 30-40 lb. grow this year. Alot to do by hand, but not really enough to justify that kind of investment. I hear they are available for rent in Humboldt, and the Bay Area. I am going to look into that, a bit of a drive, but could be worth it, I will report back what I find out. Any of you guys who want to rent one you own let me know.

MH

MH

 

[nomaad]

Those nugs look rock hard

I have an idea which should be good for growing monsters ..if it works that is...
What do you guys think of this ?

there have been a few discussions about that technique over the last year or so. nobody has actually triued it and started a thread. I'd be interested to see a practical trial. You might want to air-layer the secondary rooting point rather than just shove it into the dirt. So it has viable roots already before being buried.

Go for it. I would love to follow the thread!

 

[EnjoiKush]

Those nugs look rock hard

I have an idea which should be good for growing monsters ..if it works that is...
What do you guys think of this ?

I've read about a method where they grow out the plant till its about a foot, trim all the growth off one side, apply cloning formula, bend it down and plant it into the soil. It works from what I saw.

 

[nomaad]

Damn, HL Those look awesome! I'm sold. Now I just need to come up with the $14,500. I'm sort of in the middle ground with an aproximately 30-40 lb. grow this year. Alot to do by hand, but not really enough to justify that kind of investment. I hear they are available for rent in Humboldt, and the Bay Area. I am going to look into that, a bit of a drive, but could be worth it, I will report back what I find out. Any of you guys who want to rent one you own let me know.

MH

MH

I have thought about buying a couple of twisters to rent out in my area, but it didn't seem like it would be a very workable business. First of all, you need the machine at harvest. A lot of potential renters will need the machine at the same time. And for the same duration. Unless the rental fees were extremely high, it would be hard to make your investment back in a short period of time...

Even a couple of people buying in on one machine doesn;t seem to compute. Any insight into collective operation of a single machine would be appreciated from anybody who has such experience. My brain can't come up with a paradigm where mutiple users get proper use out of the machine in multiple locations. The only idea I had was a collective of grows could stagger their harvests by growing specific strains, meant to finish in a certain sequence... but then you've got the variances caused by nature...so who knows.

 

[humboldtlocal]

Looks great, HL. I find that machine trimmed herb has a characteristic "round" look to it. I can spot it a mile away. Not that it bothers me. But when I see a final product that obviously cost $180/lb less to process, I am looking for a price break in keeping with that. Seems fair, right?

I would say that my buds have a characteristic round look to them. I would like to think it is because I am doing something right. Like how I grow them.

 

[Trinity Gold]

I am still going to be kicking it old school. I don't like that I have to spend on a twister then still pay people to buck it down. I also don't like drying on racks at all.

 

[FillthePotmore]

Inspirtation

Inspirtation

A little inspiration for all you Kahuna Laáu Lapaáu (Herbal Healers)...

"We’re plant people. We wouldn’t be here if we weren’t plant people. We’re called to this conference by a plant...

We do what we do because of plants and for plants...we work for the plants. We need to do what the plants want us to do and I think what the plants want us to do is to form symbiosis and they want us to share information. They want us to teach other plant people. Plants want to spread around. That’s what they do. They want symbiosis because that’s a way to further their agenda. We need to follow that. We need to do what plant people have always done which is to share plants. Share knowledge. The most revolutionary thing you can do is grow a garden..."

I was reading over a previous post from "Butte" and really loved this quote from a Shamanism conference in Peru.

 

[Sideways]

I have thought about buying a couple of twisters to rent out in my area, but it didn't seem like it would be a very workable business. First of all, you need the machine at harvest. A lot of potential renters will need the machine at the same time. And for the same duration. Unless the rental fees were extremely high, it would be hard to make your investment back in a short period of time...

Even a couple of people buying in on one machine doesn;t seem to compute. Any insight into collective operation of a single machine would be appreciated from anybody who has such experience. My brain can't come up with a paradigm where mutiple users get proper use out of the machine in multiple locations. The only idea I had was a collective of grows could stagger their harvests by growing specific strains, meant to finish in a certain sequence... but then you've got the variances caused by nature...so who knows.

I thought about the same thing.... difficult to manage with harvest times being approximately the same. However-
Say you have a 28 day window for harvest- Last year I harvested from early/mid october to the latest in mid November.
Charge $1500.00 per day for rental, you could potentially double your cash in a season, and purchase another for next year.
Even if you only rented it out for 10 days, it has already payed for itself, and has presumably helped you with you harvest as well.
To me 1500.00/ day would be well worth it to turn a weeks worth of work into a day's . (and if you are getting one, sign me up for around Oct 23- LOL)

 

[deltronZER0]

hey guys,
I'm not doing it nearly as big as you guys, but if I was trying to spend the least amount of money on pest control (everything really, but) what pest control product could you really not live with out?
I get the feeling that neem oil deals with most pests pretty well, as long as you spray the plants before you have a problem. is this right?
thanks,