The DEFINITIVE OG Kush History

[dank.frank]

Great minds think alike.

I just checked and saw I still have 3 packs of Chem '91 x Bubba from Nspecta. I've given several of those away already. Never have heard back from anyone on what they found.



dank.Frank

 

[Wendull C.]

Keep trying to rep u Frank, but it won't let me .

 

[shawkmon]

cough df , damn ill send ya some pic and write ups

 

[dank.frank]

We'll talk in chat Shawk.



dank.Frank

 

[IncenseRosemary]

LOL. You all are too funny. It isn't a mystery. No need to speculate with all these crazy theories.

Chem '91 x Rob Clarke Ghani = OG Kush - if in fact, I ever figured out how to read that galaxy thing, that is...LOL. Or that line in red could just be showing that Chem '91 is in fact a parent and that Bubba Kush is OG x Ghani - which I think is the more probably conclusion to make, because that falls in line with the story we know from Matt Berger - The plant they were growing, which they called "Bubba" which was lost. They assumed it was a NL pheno or something. Must have been this "Ghani" - and it must still be around, in the hands of RCC.

That Ghani is described as: Collected on Pakistan side of Khyber Pass – Low myrcene and high bisabolol.

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When you look at the rings in the genotype report on Phylos, it describes the plants on the inner circle as "immediate relatives", which includes both OG Kush and Bubba Kush family clusters. It very well could be that OG is in fact, Chem '91 x Ghani.

Make of it what you will - but it certainly isn't something to be just randomly guessed at anymore.



dank.Frank

1st i must say that phylos dont work 100% look for example ACE same mother or father plants are not related. We dont surly know what are mesures for that phylos test.
2nd Im not trying to say where does OG come from cuz all history is just story who is written by some people and it is not 100% true. But what i have learnd by growing lots of sensi seeds. By terpens,smell,taste,look. I can say that OG,CHEM,SOUR come from seeds that i mention before. Buy 100 seeds of strains i mention before and u will se lots of CHEM,RKS,OG,SOUR tipe of plants...To me when some plant look,smell and taste like some plants they are related for shure. Its not hate or something like this. It is opinon based on my own work over the years. Buy Shiva shanti like 10 packs minimum and u will have phenos that range from sweet like cookies smell with paper to chem,meaty,garlic,pepper phenos which look like chems. Maybe Garlic bud pheno x super skunk is CHEM 91 crossed to that ghani is OG. But sure they are related and same terpens,growth,and taste can be replicated with genetics i mention above im 100% sure. But why do real breeding cuz today you can buy cuts and seeds like Karmas G when phenotipes are more stable than in F1s. Also you need to know that before cutings every year plants had to be crossed and reporducet next spring so is that 100 afghani or its skunk afghan or hindu kushxskunk, but just pheno heavy on afghan from the we wont never know. So all in all i have to say we will never know what are real parents we can just see them,smell them and smoke em. And can compare them that is all we can.Someone say that some one in Afghan seeds from Afghanistan found OG pheno who knows that someone from abroad buy pack of afghan and grow it in Afghanistan. I know that lots of people buy seeds in Holland and Eu and send them to Lebanon,Marocco,Albania,Paki,Afghan....

 

[dank.frank]

dank.Frank

 

[RoyalFlush]

dank.Frank

I think we found the make up of OG , Rob Clarke had the parents all along , OG = RC Gahni x RC Thailand. It was under our noses all along

 

[Wendull C.]

Maybe??? When og came around it was unique. There was nothing I had ever seen like it. That is why it was 560 an oz. Bubba was 400. A really good rks from Humboldt was 500. The strain of rks they called supe skunk was some fire dead skunk smell with a mellow but introspective high. I loved that weed.

It would be very interesting to know exactly what the parents are for future work but it is just a novelty now unless you want to work the parents to try to stabilize some traits, especially that lemon gas smell that I love. Og x sour is my favorite pot ever

 

[dank.frank]

I'll agree the science with Phylos is not 100%. I'll also not go so far as to say, it's wrong. They have more information, than they compiled in that galaxy. They know exactly how those clusters break down and which one resulted in which. I'm assuming, especially, after their claim of holding data for 50,000 markers and the Galaxy being built on 2,000.

That doesn't mean you toss it out the window. There is value in that data still. Enough value that mindless speculation is no longer necessary and is pointless.

All we can do, is refocusing our efforts and how we are pairing the genetics to reflect what we've learned and see if maybe, we find some better cannabis to enjoy. That's the way it's always been done, no?



dank.Frank

 

[IncenseRosemary]

Maybe??? When og came around it was unique. There was nothing I had ever seen like it. That is why it was 560 an oz. Bubba was 400. A really good rks from Humboldt was 500. The strain of rks they called supe skunk was some fire dead skunk smell with a mellow but introspective high. I loved that weed.

It would be very interesting to know exactly what the parents are for future work but it is just a novelty now unless you want to work the parents to try to stabilize some traits, especially that lemon gas smell that I love. Og x sour is my favorite pot ever

Yes,OG is unique.And i like it very much. I have selected my OGkush cut from old Dkush line. It is very OG dominant but with nice musky,sour,chem kick.Line is sfv OG kush (m) x ChemD (f). But also i noticed with same nutrients regime and setup. Little bit temp fluctations over the year gives me different terpens profile on most Og also as in my cut. If flover room is 20-25 C (winter time) it gives me lemony,kushy,sugary,earthy,piney,gas. But higer temps like 25-30C Gives chem,pinesol,tennisball,glue funk dominant than lemon and earthy pine gas. I dont hate OG i think in that line is the best or most apriciate things(terpens) are sumed up from lines i mention before and that is beeing done by breeders and growers in USA and i thank them for that. Also like SSH i think that this is the best traits for growers are being found in candy-haze 10-11 weeks like famous Core Cut. They want from afghan flower time,Candiness from Skunk and Haze high and taste from C5 and the best breed from that line is Core Cut that why is being grown a lot in EU.

 

[Booyah!]

I personally dont trust anything coming from team Phylos. That goes for their data too. What prevents them from completely fabricating a plant in the form of data for their benefit down the line? Especially when they admit to other suits that they were positioning themselves all along. They've already been shown to hide certain strains. Do these strains contradict the story they were creating? They've already lied about their business structure and vision as a company. Who's ensuring everything is authentic besides themselves?

It seems to me that they are trying to paint a picture. I find it very convenient that they stumbled across a strain that just happens to be related to everything Kush yet nobody has seen it for close to 40 years.

What's the motivation? The same as every other fool that made up a story. To redirect the hype their direction. Skewing or even completely fabricating data to "prove" a point is nothing new. Its people's trust in data as hard evidence that makes them venerable to the old bait and switch. Mystery ain't solved.

 

[dank.frank]

I think going forward those are all valid questions and concerns. I know for a fact there are plants that have been entered that are NOT publicly viewable.

They didn't stumble upon anything - as much as these things have been in the community and we just didn't know exactly what they were. Plants that are very similar that get decided to be the same and showing variation from the environment, etc...

People not wanting to be associated with having something because of the drama that follows.

I think for the most part, if you KNOW the lore and the legends of the strains, you absolutely can use their map to follow those stories to verify those connections.

I wasn't certain about it at all, until I was able to start piecing together entries from trusted people and seeing how things came together, gave it more credibility.

Example - seeing DeathStar tie to ECSD. Seeing that Sour Bubble IS in fact related to Bubba Kush. Seeing The White IS NOT in the OG cluster, meaning it is a different plant than TK, as Krome always said.

There are examples of the Galaxy really being useful. There is a point, where you just choose to stick your head in the sand or you can try to understand how they presented the data they collected.

Is it God? No. Is it the best depiction and insight we've ever had into the cannabis genome. Absolutely. I think so. Without question.

Doesn't mean I like or support them. But I'm also not going to choose ignorance.



dank.Frank

 

[Dankwolf]

I think going forward those are all valid questions and concerns. I know for a fact there are plants that have been entered that are NOT publicly viewable.

They didn't stumble upon anything - as much as these things have been in the community and we just didn't know exactly what they were. Plants that are very similar that get decided to be the same and showing variation from the environment, etc...

People not wanting to be associated with having something because of the drama that follows.

I think for the most part, if you KNOW the lore and the legends of the strains, you absolutely can use their map to follow those stories to verify those connections.

I wasn't certain about it at all, until I was able to start piecing together entries from trusted people and seeing how things came together, gave it more credibility.

Example - seeing DeathStar tie to ECSD. Seeing that Sour Bubble IS in fact related to Bubba Kush. Seeing The White IS NOT in the OG cluster, meaning it is a different plant than TK, as Krome always said.

There are examples of the Galaxy really being useful. There is a point, where you just choose to stick your head in the sand or you can try to understand how they presented the data they collected.

Is it God? No. Is it the best depiction and insight we've ever had into the cannabis genome. Absolutely. I think so. Without question.

Doesn't mean I like or support them. But I'm also not going to choose ignorance.



dank.Frank

Well said could not have said it better my self .

 

[Booyah!]

Im not even arguing that most of the data may be true. How would they build trust any other way? I caught myself surfing through different strains for hours when I first discovered the Phylos Galaxy. Absolutely mesmerizing. But unlike the Maury Povich show who came first or how they are related is still a complete mystery.

Since the test only really consists of a very limited number of genetic markers the actual results aren't as conclusive (or as hard to fake for that matter) as a full genome by any means. Just produce 5000 data points and you got yourself a strain.

The more I looked into it the more I saw opportunity for fraud. Breeders fake having strains all the time for profit. Dispensaries fake THC tests all the time. This industry is literally a carnival of hype and half truths. Why would the first scientific testing company with other motives besides testing be any different?

They could literally fake one strain to create enough hype to get people frenzied once seed sales started...Set themselves up for success. They sure wouldn't be the first company to plan their future rather than leave it to chance.

Montazano faked complete research studies on the safety of Roundup which is a like minded company in my mind. Phylos leaves many unanswered questions and have too much money on the line for me to trust. Funny because if they just said they found the mother of modern Kush and plan to breed with it, half the people would call BS. Let people "discover" the "truth" and they will feel too attached to the idea to let it go.

Until the mystery Ghani gets grown out as well as progeny tested for simular Phenos, I'm not convinced. Seems fishy to me. I'd give it 50% chance of being true. Discovering another lie from this company would be of no surprise to me.

 

[kamyo]

The thing I like about the general discussion of the genetic origin of these lines (not just OG, but chem, etc.) is that is shows that it can all just come from a pack of seeds. Sure, the varieties out now are different than what was once offered, but I that doesn't preclude the discovery of something amazing in the current offerings.

Sure, OG/chem/whatever are deservedly fantastic plants, but I'm amazed that more people aren't looking outside of that genepool when looking for new things.

Perhaps it's just easier to start with something already awesome. And when the people with money want OG, I guess that's what you give them.

 

[RoyalFlush]

The thing I like about the general discussion of the genetic origin of these lines (not just OG, but chem, etc.) is that is shows that it can all just come from a pack of seeds. Sure, the varieties out now are different than what was once offered, but I that doesn't preclude the discovery of something amazing in the current offerings.

Sure, OG/chem/whatever are deservedly fantastic plants, but I'm amazed that more people aren't looking outside of that genepool when looking for new things.

Perhaps it's just easier to start with something already awesome. And when the people with money want OG, I guess that's what you give them.

80% of cannabis that's available on the market right now is just water down trash. You would think that the next big thing would have been making its round about now.

 

[JetLife175]

Maybe??? When og came around it was unique. There was nothing I had ever seen like it. That is why it was 560 an oz. Bubba was 400. A really good rks from Humboldt was 500. The strain of rks they called supe skunk was some fire dead skunk smell with a mellow but introspective high. I loved that weed.

It would be very interesting to know exactly what the parents are for future work but it is just a novelty now unless you want to work the parents to try to stabilize some traits, especially that lemon gas smell that I love. Og x sour is my favorite pot ever

You beat me to the punch. Having those parents. Even one of them, would be the next evolution of the genepool in my opinion.

The work I’ve done with the OG for private use is extensive to say to say the least. One thing that I’ve never been able To do is separate it into separate lines.

I’ve been trying to isolate that lemon pledge furniture polish pheno that pops up rarely amongst other terpene profiles such as the kerosine/Gas and the Pine/Lemon combo. I’ve even sourced cuts with these profiles in and out of the OG line and haven’t been able to do it.

I think being able to go back into the parental line with the OG would be the best bet at trying to get a better range of phenotypical expression in the progeny.

 

[JetLife175]

And Frank,

Thanks for all the eloquent words and awesome insights. Your contributions to this thread are priceless to say the least.

I appreciate the way you can wrangle everyone in and keep things on track with hard facts and scientific data.

The lore, the data, it’s all tied together as you said. If you know what you are looking for you can make informed conclusions.

Thanks again.

 

[Dankwolf]

You beat me to the punch. Having those parents. Even one of them, would be the next evolution of the genepool in my opinion.

The work I’ve done with the OG for private use is extensive to say to say the least. One thing that I’ve never been able To do is separate it into separate lines.

I’ve been trying to isolate that lemon pledge furniture polish pheno that pops up rarely amongst other terpene profiles such as the kerosine/Gas and the Pine/Lemon combo. I’ve even sourced cuts with these profiles in and out of the OG line and haven’t been able to do it.

I think being able to go back into the parental line with the OG would be the best bet at trying to get a better range of phenotypical expression in the progeny.

If you want to dial a trait you will need to utilize a none poly hybrid with the out crossing . allowing a larger pool,of selection . then maybe line breed

 

[JetLife175]

If you want to dial a trait you will need to utilize a none poly hybrid with the out crossing . allowing a larger pool,of selection . then maybe line breed

I’ve tried all of that trust me. It’s just not happening. I cross the JDOG to anything that comes my way.

I have JDOG x 91 seeds which you would think may help but maybe only in the sense of trying to lock down the fuel. I haven’t worked that cross much but it’s in the queue.

Can anyone suggest a plant to do a proper outcross with?