The BroomRoom...

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro... you're convincing me more and more...

The thing that springs to mind is, if I do as we are discussing, I will be running a slightly scaled down version of how you do things... Iv only got 400's and 20amp breakers... so it would have to be two 400's stacked.... with maybe a 250 added down low... [??] What I have noticed with the 400's is they dont have great penetration... Iv noticed if buds arnt in direct bulb light, they just grow shit... same if they not +-14 inches away... this is why I feel strongly about my netting, with a bit of planning, it allows me to pin and stretch shit to the gaps and so forth... just better training and I can stop things from falling over or into the light...

I hear you about the string... and the xmas tree style it throws... in other words are you tryna tell me she doesnt like being splayed out? []like you would with other strains? you know, flatten her out against a wall or screen...

Also shirly I can only grow plants so big with 400's[due to penetration] I mean they grow where theres light hey, but even my very first run, the canopy was about 3feet in height[dont ask how I managed that, but I got the pics to show it] and during that run I realised any more height or depth than that with one 400 is pushing it, so with stacked 400's I dont think the plants should be bigger than 6 feet.... and this is when they've stopped their stretch... [?????] I mean these haze hybrids stretch like crazy hey.... also you making so ampt to run the sssdh with it aswell.... [??]

Also something I forgot to ask earlier... from what I can gather, you do more than one donut a room[22plants/10lbs] so are you almost running large rooms, with large plants, but donuts, layed out in the x formation... like dhf always preached.... so that you get over lapping light from one nut to the next as you just tie up the floppiness as you go.... [??] You get me... a few donuts in a room, but with lights inside the plants, and no between them...

Iv learnt my lesson with the bulbs... only a slight burn on the arm or two... defo no shirt in there... If Im getting close I wanna feel heat lol...

So besides the super lemon.... any other strains you love smoking on, and running in setups like we're discussing.... those east coast cookies sound real tempting....

Thanks again for taking time out of your day to give me some insight and guidance.... I appreciate it so damb much.....!!!

 

[RetroGrow]

You see the picture of the room. It's only 5X9 feet, with 10 foot ceilings. Might look bigger because of the picture, but it's small. That's why I chose strains that like to grow tall. SLH also is my favorite strain, by far. It doesn't grow as lanky as other hazes. It grows tall, but like a Xmas tree, ie. , wide at the bottom. Doesn't want to be splayed out. You don't need a net at all. Just string to tie up the lower buds when they get floppy in flower. 2X 400 watts is fine. Don't need a third light. That's what the second 400 is for, the middle to bottom of plant. One bulb @ 6 inches below the top of plants on top, and one bulb at the midpoint of the plants directly below it. In that room, I had other strains, namely Critical Jack and SSCH (Super Silver Chemdog Haze) against the wall netting, tied back to the orange netting. The SLH were on the floor in the middle. These are 70 day strains, in flower. If I were you, I would grow a run with only SLH. I had my Hempy buckets on casters with wheels, so they could be easily moved around, for watering, and for pulling out of the room to trim off dead fans and for general maintenance, and when the room needed to be cleaned of debris from the floors. Highly recommended. Also, the Hempy buckets had round plastic pans beneath them to catch runoff, which you want with Hempys. A shop vac is nice to suck up the run off if you can swing it. Since I had differnet strains, I used the wall technique for some, and floor standing in the middle for the SLH. In your case, I would just use SLH on the floor on casters around the stack of bulbs. You can turn the plants to get even exposure on different sides. The casters come in handy for this.
I wouldn't run Cookies with SLH. Totally different type plant, and yield is shit. Also, as I mentioned, veg for at least 6 weeks. In coco, you only need 2 gallon buckets, but 3 is fine too.
The SLH is very high in beneficial terpenes, and the smell is pure lemon.
Here is a chart of the terpenes of SLH:

The size of your room dictates what strains to grow in it to maximize potential. What are your dimensions?

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro... thanks for the chart and the info drop...

My rooms 1.1m meters wide.... by 1.6meters deep... by +-2.9meters tall...

Very good tip bout the casters with wheels... was thinking bout a big lazy Susan aswell....

I was thinking bout these three moms I got... they defo have RA's aswell... and Iv got cuts of them in the cloner, which I bleach ran before I placed them in... what I wanted to ask was...

Should I just bomb those moms coz they have root damage... and just choose maybe two of the best cuts as new moms...??

So that I can have clean healthy fresh moms, even if I just keep triming and scraping the trim....

I got a few 5L square ice cream tubes... was thinking of just putting them in straight perlite[easy to obtain here] and run maybe four cuts under two of those flouros I got above my cloner[as new moms, till I pop the slh, I would dig to try keep this cheese if poss].... I wana small things out a bit so I can move everything out that bedroom and clean the sweet jeebus outa it.... I mean fuck, If I do as we are talking, all I need is a lil cab for mini moms, and like ten clones[choosing top half to put in hempys]...
[??]

 

[RetroGrow]

So about 4X5 feetX9.5 feet tall, or slightly less than half the square footage of room I posted, and height about the same. I would probably try 4-6 plants around the vertical stack, with a 6 week veg.
Imid should kill the RAs, but you might want to look into Bonzai moms. This thread is a classic:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=90460

 

[Rooibard]

Hey bru shove those pms my way
I must say on keeping mini moms that remeber they produce mini clones. U need to have big enough moms for bigger clones... So try putting moms under bigger light, otherwise w/ floros u'll be waiting forever for big enuff clones... Or if u take mini cuts u set back for 2weeks to catch up... Im still struggling with too small clones but it is what it is at the mom, future will hold big moms and 6-8 inch clones for me
Peace

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro... yeah defo an epic thread... skimmed it a few times already...

@Red... yeah 6 inch clones are what Iv been going with...
I only need a few though... maybe two or three off a mom... and only taken every second month maybe...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

If ur going to stack them bulbs id only plan on using 4 or 5 plants since u growing them taller they will need the space laterally or u will be hacking and pruning the hell out of them. Then if u want to max out a little more have 4 more small plants that u keep topped with several tops to make a bottom canopy just underneath ur vert canopy.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Mirac... yeah I was thinking 5 was a good number... looks like it will only be the next run though...

 

[Rooibard]

Brothat Miracle speaks the truth hey; u can add on as many smaller clones as u can possibly fit... They dont have to veg so long; just to fill in gaps learned from dr.BudGreenGenes, every possiböe gapu can fill in with bud is wothur while

Peace

 

[RetroGrow]

If ur going to stack them bulbs id only plan on using 4 or 5 plants since u growing them taller they will need the space laterally or u will be hacking and pruning the hell out of them. Then if u want to max out a little more have 4 more small plants that u keep topped with several tops to make a bottom canopy just underneath ur vert canopy.

You don't want to prune SLH. That will just make it bush out, and go wider, which is not what you want in that setup. Let them grow naturally. They grow tall, like Xmas tree. Wide at bottom, narrow @ the top, with a single top cola. That is why string is used to tie up the bottoms in a narrow space in flower, just like you see Xmas trees tied up before they sell them. Keeps buds/branches from flopping down, and keeps the plant narrower to fit a confined space. Mine were in a 5 foot wide room, and were huge @ 8 feet tall. Tied the bottoms up real tight with no issues. Tremendous buds, yield, and quality. Just keep air flow in the room, and cut @ 70 days.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

You don't want to prune SLH. That will just make it bush out, and go wider, which is not what you want in that setup. Let them grow naturally. They grow tall, like Xmas tree. Wide at bottom, narrow @ the top, with a single top cola. That is why string is used to tie up the bottoms in a narrow space in flower, just like you see Xmas trees tied up before they sell them. Keeps buds/branches from flopping down, and keeps the plant narrower to fit a confined space. Mine were in a 5 foot wide room, and were huge @ 8 feet tall. Tied the bottoms up real tight with no issues. Tremendous buds, yield, and quality. Just keep air flow in the room, and cut @ 70 days.

I didn't mean to top it. I meant don't be afraid to take lateral branches off if they are going to shadow the plant next to it. U don't want some completely shadowed branch growing larf or worse yet making a wet pocket from leaf on top of leaf starting pm.

 

[RetroGrow]

Don't take 'em off. Tie them up after a few weeks of flower.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro.. do you keep your moms in hempy's as well...??

Ps: Should I put the few packs of seeds that I do have in the fridge..?they been at room temps since mid december...

 

[RetroGrow]

@Retro.. do you keep your moms in hempy's as well...??

Ps: Should I put the few packs of seeds that I do have in the fridge..?they been at room temps since mid december...

You could, but would require more maintenance,ie., feeding.Eliminates the bug issues though.

RE: seeds. DEFINITELY keep in the fridge!!!!!!!!

 

[SmellyFlorist]

You could, but would require more maintenance,ie., feeding.Eliminates the bug issues though.

RE: seeds. DEFINITELY keep in the fridge!!!!!!!!

Oh fuck... that's like three months of pretty warm room temps... Wasted...???
Just put them in the shelf..?? Just in the packaging they came in...??

I think these were just bought in a shop... ie probs weren't kept in a fridge before they were bought....

Ill put them in this evening.... after Im told how to go about it...
Got like 5 packs I think...

Also stopped by the co-op... They had new coco in... much finer chips than the last time... Ill post pics... was like $4 for 5kgs...

 

[RetroGrow]

Yup. Keep in original packs.
Ask the co-op if they can get bagged coco, not chips. It has the consistency of coffee grounds.
If chips, the finer the better.

 

[LSWM]

Yo Smelly!? How the ladies doing? I'm praying to God you got that Imid and hit your ladies with it!?

Trust me, and everyone else that has warned you, RA is no joke. I know from experience. Few things can even slow their obliteration of your crop. Imid will kill them and it will last weeks, if not months, in your plants, so it should keep them at bay for a while. You will most likely want to take clones and start over again to ensure both RA and the Imid have been cleared completely.

I was able to combat them with Pyrethrum, Azamax and OG BioWar in combination, but I also moved to a new spot and threw away everything but fresh cuts before the move. I mean soil, trays, pots, moms, teens, and full blown ladies. I threw away the tent as well. I also treated all the new cuts after they had rooted with the above combination as a preventative. Those little pricks don't fuck around!

Hope everything else is well!

 

[ganjourno]

Seconded. RA's are VERY persistent. As a supplement to the imid and igbiowar arsenal, I would also recommend an insect growth regulator: http://www.amazon.com/Insect-Growth-Regulator-IGR-Nylar/dp/B003VW3UO2. It basically keeps the newborns from developing and reproducing so helps control the outbreak, and makes them easier to kill.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro.... beans are in the fridge bro...

@LSWM... howzit.... yeah, I feel they lookiing alright.... had to raise the lamp a bit... they are growing "quik"...
Yeah I got the Imid, had a lil stock pile built up lol....
Okay fuck, I gave the first drench on wednesday night... I haven't seen a fucking bug near those plants.... as in nothing nada....
Im planning on giving them another drench 2mrw....
I also wana top all the shoots again... these ladies could possibly even be flipped with the next two weeks... but now you say I should throw ALL my stuff away.... [kinda like retro]

I have a feeling the RA's werent in the diy soil... but they were in the coco/peat that Iv been recycling for the last 6 months... d'oh! coz of the picture with the clear cups... I kept reusing that medium from old root balls..... like I was asking for the problem hey...

@Ganjourno... howzit.... amazon no shippy to da jungle brah...

Fuck I wanna save this crop if I can....[itll be a bit of smoke, mayb even some nelson] then the next start fresh, clean the sweet fuck outa everything... pop the slh and try run hempy with a dbl stack...

I spent $10 the other day on bleach... and two bug bombs.... so if I do need to fumigate my flat..... bleach everything I will.... As I have been bleach washing containers and totes and everything that stores stuff in..... gonna try clean shit, spray floors with chlorpyrifos, all before the second drench of Imid which should be 2mrw night...

Let me know what you all think I should do... and how I should go about it...

Ill post pics later of the girls so you can see what state they in..

Oh ja, cuts showing roots, gonna bomb old moms, check for knots and other pests.... maybe even pop a bean or two for new moms with these new moms... one "cheese" one HSO blue dream S1...

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Fan and scrubber have arrived at the shop, last donations are in...
Just need to plan this drive now....