The BroomRoom...

[SmellyFlorist]

@Red... I wanna try get in over with in a day... all depends when that order comes through, need to do a 'colllection' round that area before I visit the shop... so theres a bit at play... plus the old mans in hospital for the entire week... so smelly's gotta run the ranch....

I see that post count is climbing...

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Pics from this evening...

I noticed a bit of deformity on a few new shoots yesterday...
I scooped half the shoots that looked damaged... I couldnt see any mites... I couldnt see any eggs... eggs are oval hey..?? But I was thinking it looks like cyclamen mite damage... new shoots have abnormal growth...??

A more normal looking shoot..

And a wasp...

I got the imid out the cupboard.... two different brands... one being 20g/l.... the other being 350g/l... in strength. The latter is way stronger... reading the directions it does require far more water to the mix....
Should I be follow along the lines of "rose bush treatment..."...??

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I assume ur talking about imid for the RA and not the mites correct? It will kill the RA and not the mites. What % strength imid do u have. Like the one I use is about .72% (comes with bifenethrin too) and the strong one I don't buy is 1.47% because it comes with strong plant food. I use 2 tablespoons or 30 ml per gallon of the .72% concentration for a root drench for RA. If u don't have the % concentration listed on the bottle then id go with the recommended dosage on the bottle. U can use spectracide triazicide at 3 tbsp. per gal, or 45ml, as a contact killer to wipe a lot of them out directly concurrently with the imid, cause the imid takes some time to kill.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Mirac... howzit, yeah I was talking wiff regards to the RA's... Im not sure if the bottles have a percentage on them, Ill have to dbl check, on first read all I came across was the weight to volume ratio of the concentrate... I dont think Im familiar with the other chem you mentioned... how many drenches you been doing mirac?? and is your method similar to the one I picture that I mentioned earlier...?? You winning your battle..??

So I raised my "floor" after dinner... Liverpool drew against rovers... sucks.... and the villa fans didnt half storm the pitch last night.... fuck 2mrw nights game should be good...

Placed my palm where the closest top shoot is... no warmer than in the sun....

 

[Miraculous Meds]

2 applications 3 to 5 days apart. No more RA. Make sure u clean ur room and get rid of old soil and leaf material at the same time.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Mirac... okay, this seems quiet simple... can you define clean a lil more... plan on turning that room back into a bedroom soon once I make that mother cab... What, these eggs can lay dormant for up to 6 months... ??

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I mean wiping everything down with some bleach water and sweeping/mopping and vacuuming. Just get all the nooks and crannies so there is no chance of RA hiding in a corner. Ur typical good clean job so that u know there aren't any hiding in an area that can come repopulate ur plants. A little pest spray barrier around ur house is good to do every once in a while too, to help reduce the chance of pests entering ur house in the first place.

 

[RetroGrow]

Drench means just watering with Imid. Let pots dry out first, then hit them with the Imid drench, and repeat a couple of times. If I had the option of coco, that's what I would go with. Soil is where the RAs and nematodes live. It's much easier to treat RAs in coco if you were to get them again. If it were me, I would start over with coco after a thorough cleaning, but that has to be your call. Healthy plants from the start is what I would want. Stems will be thicker and growth much more vigorous from the start. Coco has thrichoderma in it naturally, at least bagged coco. Bricked coco is often steamed, which would kill the trichoderma, so bagged is always preferable to bricked, if you can get it. If you can't, go with the bricked. Add mycorrhizae if you can get it right from the start. It populates the roots and magnifies the root system significantly, as the fungi have their own microscopic roots that feed the plant's roots. Clean, clean, and clean again if you start over. The reason people here in the states have problems dealing with RAs is because we have resistant strains here, which you will not have to deal with. Imid will kill them. I would stay away from the soil there, as it is obviously teeming with bugs. You will get much better results with coco, and much easier to deal with problems if they arise. Coco in Hempy buckets is my choice for a simple, foolproof system.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Mirac... check.

@Retro... fuck, now Im in two minds all together...

One half tells me that I can save this round... and also not loose the three moms... yes it might be a hack of a round like last time... but Id also learn a heap from doing it... I might have a bit of bud, and a bit more tom with which to upgrade things wifff... I feel that they should defo turn out better than the last round... also that shops not goin anywhere anytime soon... but its bricked coco/peat...[it says coco/peat on the label]... and when other ppl here say they use coco[in sa] thats more than likely what they mean... as I think the shop gets it straight from Grovita[company], they used to send it to the local farmers co-op but now only send the coco chips[pure coco btw]. I could do my best tryna scape through another couple of months, gain more knowledge, and then hopefully get a killa round out and under my belt before the 1st of December...

The other half[its a very big half...] tells me that I should stop fucking around... and just do exactly what you tell me... you're the pro and you know...

A mate I know, he's been growing outdoors here for years, at least 15years here, swears by the coco... years ago when I was a kid Id go over and he had the weirdest "soil" Id ever seen... I ask him what soil he uses' and he got pretty defensive lol, tuning me "its not soil brah!" and thats all he ever uses now... but then again Iv ask him q's bout pests and only knows spider mites and caterpillars... lol. But also this guy would never ever tell me what he feeds his plants... besides the seagro.... he would just change the subject lol... he's overseas now, and from what I can gather he's running a hydro system, he says I should do the same and that its actually "quite easy" lol... I just dont know if Ill be able to pull that shit off... If Im battling with the most basic of basic stuff...

I took 17 cuts last week thursday, they look healthy?? I posted a pic... I emptied the cloner from last run, filled with bleach water, ran that mix for 24hours, emptied, filled with clean tap water, ran that for 24hours, then emptied, then refilled with clean tap water and places the cuts inside... no nubs yet.... but I got options...

Im a fucking shit decision maker.... unless its that split second on a 6foot double up...

Why does it always have to be "my call..." ?

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Am i the only one that thinks if his soil/medium isnt on point then you cant go onto diagnosing other things.

I have a checklist i follow when things arent going well for diagnostic purposes and thats like the first thing i would make sures good.

its hard to get perfect plants without resources but like I said im not a soil grower so idk if what you have is good enough for em.

I think there looking pretty damn good for working on the minimal.

heat treat ta be safe wont hurt.




AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

@Mirac... check.

@Retro... fuck, now Im in two minds all together...

One half tells me that I can save this round... and also not loose the three moms... yes it might be a hack of a round like last time... but Id also learn a heap from doing it... I might have a bit of bud, and a bit more tom with which to upgrade things wifff... I feel that they should defo turn out better than the last round... also that shops not goin anywhere anytime soon... but its bricked coco/peat...[it says coco/peat on the label]... and when other ppl here say they use coco[in sa] thats more than likely what they mean... as I think the shop gets it straight from Grovita[company], they used to send it to the local farmers co-op but now only send the coco chips[pure coco btw]. I could do my best tryna scape through another couple of months, gain more knowledge, and then hopefully get a killa round out and under my belt before the 1st of December...

The other half[its a very big half...] tells me that I should stop fucking around... and just do exactly what you tell me... you're the pro and you know...

A mate I know, he's been growing outdoors here for years, at least 15years here, swears by the coco... years ago when I was a kid Id go over and he had the weirdest "soil" Id ever seen... I ask him what soil he uses' and he got pretty defensive lol, tuning me "its not soil brah!" and thats all he ever uses now... but then again Iv ask him q's bout pests and only knows spider mites and caterpillars... lol. But also this guy would never ever tell me what he feeds his plants... besides the seagro.... he would just change the subject lol... he's overseas now, and from what I can gather he's running a hydro system, he says I should do the same and that its actually "quite easy" lol... I just dont know if Ill be able to pull that shit off... If Im battling with the most basic of basic stuff...

I took 17 cuts last week thursday, they look healthy?? I posted a pic... I emptied the cloner from last run, filled with bleach water, ran that mix for 24hours, emptied, filled with clean tap water, ran that for 24hours, then emptied, then refilled with clean tap water and places the cuts inside... no nubs yet.... but I got options...

Im a fucking shit decision maker.... unless its that split second on a 6foot double up...

Why does it always have to be "my call..." ?

EZ cloner double your aeration more air stones and pumps = SUCCESS

also dont sse nubs sometimes for 10-14 days then Real fat roots around day 21-24 for my KKSC cut.

1 drop per gal of bleach for me and i cahnge rez every 4-5 days



AJAE

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@AJAE.... dude, howzit...

Im pretty happy with my soil mix... created a thread in organic soil and got some help... Im happy with it for some small plants for one cycle...

Still um'n and are'n bout what I should do.... also plants dont look terrible... so I probably wouldnt have noticed shit if Retrobro hadnt said anything... lol, but its the truth...

Maybe I should treat and persist... there will always be a next round and the chance for a fresh start.... also maybe I should think along the lines of "Rome wasnt built in a day..."

Lets be honest I dont have a silver spoon shoved so far up my arse I can taste it...

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@AJAE... since I built this thing, every cut Iv put in it has gotten roots.... no gel or anything... plain tap water too... and I dont change per cycle... just top up coz it can leak a lil... hence it being in the shower... this cheese cut I got nubs up in like 5-6 days max...

 

[RetroGrow]

Coco is hydro.
Coco in Hempy buckets is a passive hydro system.
It's like traditional hydro, but without pumps and stuff. Simple, and FOOLPROOF. Virtually impossible to screw up coco in Hempys!
Coco holds a huge mount of oxygen, which is one of it's main benefits.
Once you try coco, you will never go back to soil, except in an outdoor grow of massive proportions.
Best coco threads:

Coco Hempy Style:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=147954

K.I.S.S.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=191645

The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98419

Best brands of coco:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=175245

Here's some SLH grown in 2 gallon Hempys, transplanted right before the picture into 5 gallon buckets because they were tipping over. You can see the outline of the 2 gallon bucket on the surface of the coco in the bucket on the left. This plant yielded one pound, after a two month veg period, but with vertical, bare bulbs, stacked, one over the other. Wish I had pix while it was in flower. They looked just like Xmas trees, with massive buds top to bottom, eight feet tall. SLH is my favorite strain. Cures what ails me. It deserves coco....

Notice the stems. Thick as broomsticks. Didn't plan it that way. Plants had BMs, so had to extend veg period to get rid of them. These plants were the first plants ever to have the heat treatment done on them. It worked. They came out super.
Your SLH seeds deserve coco in Hempys for maximum results. You will thank me later....

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro... thanks for all the links... defo got some reading to do...
I think I grasp the basic concept of coco... you say its foolproof, but is it smelly proof..??

I can see the outline of the transplant... thats pretty crazy... these cuts of mine are in 2g buckets lol... and do you veg vert for a lil while? or hori for veg and vert for flower...

I take it your room is dialled to the T...?? hey

And I say they wayyyy fatter than broomsticks fucksakes!!

After a few days of thought[and pots drying out] I thinking Im gonna treat with Imid... and a few days later do a heatment too... If nothing else it'll be a learning curve... See how things are looking and scope, if all is ok Ill throw them into flower... if not well you know...

I DONT HAVE THE BIOWAR YET along with a few other very important things, I got the seeds, just none of the other shit lol... So I feel that when Iv actually got everything, ac, dehuey, coco, Ill pop the seeds and try do it right from the beginning... fuck maybe only looking at bout june... but better late than never...

Iv gotten hold of matey again, saying I need the root pack too, says he's a bit tight at the mo, but he says he'll sort it out... just asked for a few cases of beer later in the year... I told him Ill prob need to be sent this stuff[2packs of each] maybe every six months.... Got no clue how long it lasts[beside the shelf life] and how far one can stretch it....

I just dont see a point of popping seeds I paid heaps of cash for if I aint got the biowar.... I need that biowar to keep these two pests away.... simple

And I think like you say... give them what the fuck they deserve lmfao....

I feel I can grow plants[kinda, lol] its just these pest, my shit environment Iv 'created' and my crappy feeding that is holding me back.... I feel....

And yes, I can see me thanking you...

Hell... Im thanking you already....

 

[RetroGrow]

No horizontal...only vert bare bulbs...but start with one, and add onto the stack as plants get taller. Bare bulbs give you 40% more light than hoods, and they are cooler. Hoods create and radiate heat. Your 400 watt bulb in a hood would be more like a 600 watt as a bare bulb. That was the first run with that room. It was only 9X5 feet! Pulled over 10 pounds from 22 plants! High ceilings are the key. SLH likes to grow tall, so bare bulbs are the way to go with her. No hoods to take away from height. When you do start over, go bare bulbs. You will never look back. You can grow right to the ceiling, and keep light closer to plants. Picture of the room in my gallery. Pots/plants against the wall, Marlo style, and bulbs (2) in the center. As plants get taller, additional light were added directly below the top lights, to get light to the bottoms of the pants. No popcorn buds! A circular fan lies on the floor below each light, blowing upwards to keep it cool, and to disperse heat away from the plants.
Foolproof=Smellyproof....
Nothing easier than Hempys. Any shape plastic container will do. Can be plastic waste baskets or paint pails, or ice cream buckets that ice cream stores throw away. Actually, square ones use space more efficiently. A single hole is drilled two inches from the bottom. That is your drain hole. The bottom two inches is the rez. I water/feed to runoff daily, to increase dissolved oxygen. Plants love it and grow like crazy.
Don't think you need heat treatment, as you have no eggs, so I don't believe you have BMs. Your problems are in the root zone. Imid will take care of them. When you start over, after cleaning, heat treat the empty room before popping those seeds. Bare bulbs, coco, and Hempys are the three biggest improvements you can make in your space.

 

[Rooibard]

Retro whats ur take on stacked bulbs vs yoyo mover? And how tall u start vegging with barebulbs? Straight away?

Peace

 

[RetroGrow]

Depends on the height of your plants. Tall plants benefit from stacked verticals. I only use a 1000 watt with hood for seedlings. Then straight to bare bulbs.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro....

I got 9foot ceilings... oh my sweet fuck you are making ampt!

Fuck, thanks heaps for telling us how you go about vegging things...

I read your post and my world went from this to that lol....

So you starting with small clones/seedlings and plant directly into the hempy... you veg in the same room that you flower in...? Am I getting this right... ?? and once the plants grow you add lights to encourage growth in height... ?? If Iv got the picture right in my head Im blown away... one would need a small mom, small cloning centre, and then your main flower room... your flower cycles would just be after a sort veg time... no need for an added veg/mom/ cloner area room... even a small cupboard would do....

Fuck....

Was thinking about dbl stacking my 400's the next[slh] run... start with one 400, then when the plants grow add the second... and when they good flip.... maybe 5 plants... make some bigger icky screens... the rooms 1.1 by 1.6... even space in there to built a cupboard inside for two moms and some cuts... then I wouldnt need to get another filter and fan and just have the two units as one.... its just these 9foot ceilings.... marlos space is a lil over 5 hey... Iv got almost dbl.... one dbl stacked 400w donut.... Thoughts..?? Ill just take straight rooted cuts into the hempys, veg 2plus weeks, add other 400, nother 2plus weeks of veg and then flip... thoughts...??

I dont really need more convincing bout the coco... seen it in action at that mates for ten years... some of the best pot Iv ever smoked too...

It was just its availability... and not having the right food to feed with that medium... now its a 2hour drive away... 4 there and back....

 

[RetroGrow]

If you have the ceiling height, definitely stack verticals and make use of your CUBIC FEET, not just your square footage. SLH like to grow tall, and it takes a Xmas tree shape, so you will want to increase your veg time to at least 6 weeks, 8 weeks if you want to use all your cubic feet, and grow trees. Start with a single bulb, and add a second bulb under the first to create a stack as they get taller. This way, the entire plant, including the bottoms, will get blasted with light. Huge buds on the bottom and top. Place top bulb about six inches BELOW the top of the tallest plant, as, without hoods, light travels upwards also. Use Reflectix on the ceiling, to bounce light back down on the tops. With SLH, you don't really need netting, as it doesn't spread out like GG4. I just used string as the buds got floppy. Wrap it up like a Christmas tree, starting at the bottom and working your way up, keeping branches/buds pointing upwards in flower. 9 foot ceilings are an advantage for this strain. Make use of them. Yep, veg & bloom in one room. This is the room I did the SLH in. Hadn't finished putting the Reflectix in when pix were taken, but cover the walls and ceiling with it.

Note: bulbs can be raised or lowered. This is with two 1000 watt bulbs for the start. Added two 400 watt metal halides under them when they got taller. With bare bulbs right down in with the plants, light intensity is increased dramatically, and blasting them from above & below. Just be careful working around the bulbs, not to break them or burn yourself. You can make a small chicken wire cage to surround them for protection if you want. Keeps leaves from growing into the light. String is your friend. Just use it to wrap up floppy branches. Works like a charm.