The BroomRoom...

[RetroGrow]

By the way, OG Biowar needs 60% humidity to work properly....

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Red.... thanks bru, Im so stoked....
A gear..? A wire..? A temp controller..?? wtf times 3...
Yeah I wanna really set it up real good... So any advice or tips you know, shout em out... Basically got the exact same fan as you...
I wanna mount the fan and filter against the back wall... its the only one thats dbl corse brick... and then pull the acoustic ducting through the mini platerboard ceiling.... not sure yet how to vent it out the bathroom thou... might need to get a whirly bird and fix it above the shower... Also I really wanna run the room during lights on with the door closed... I dont think Iv ever been able to do that because of the heat problems... but this shouldnt be an issue now... so I got 1,5m acoustic ducting, and 3m plain ducting... gonna use the plain for the intake... and I need twice the size intake as that of the exhaust..?? Correct..?? I might need to move the door to one side to put the intakes low down on one side of the door... or keep the door where it is, have the intakes above the door and have the ducting then run down the inside of the walls and cut off just below floor level... so theres that bottom to top airflow vert requires.... Also would like to design things with the slh run in mind... wanna try out these hempy's and some dbl stack "trees"... Everyday Im just starting to see more and more how the room would function optimally... the rooms 1.1m wide by 1.6m deep by +-3m tall.... would like to push it towards the back of the room, which would still allow a lil room by the entrance to move around and work in... maybe place portable ac or dehuey....

@Retro... right now broomroom's RH is sitting at 80%....
Also brah, if you got any tips or advice or any links that I may find useful please post away.... I just wanna absorb as much knowledge[good knowledge] as I can... you know I need the help... lol

 

[RetroGrow]

Your filter does not have to be ducted at all. It will scrub the air clean just sitting in a corner or hanging from the ceiling. That's how I do it in a small space. No odor at all. Why complicate things?

From my album:

By the way, That's a Panasonic Whisper Quiet fan. No noise at all, moves a ton of air, and lasts forever. No jet engine noise like typical systems use, and no smell without any ducting. It's sitting on a plastic pail, hung with s-hooks from the ceiling. Love these, and perfect for small room. Keeps airflow in the room too, so double duty.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro... wait, Im not quite grasping this...
In that pic, you have your fan connected directly to your filter, which is sitting on a bucket, and the things all kept upright by the s hooks on the ceiling..??? Am I getting this right...???

So then do you have another fan or what not creating air exchange in said room..?? Like bringing clean fresh air into said room..???

Also... this fan I got... I take it its pretty loud...??

Fuck

 

[RetroGrow]

Yes, another similar but smaller fan brings cooled air into the room. Actually it's sucking air out of the room. You can see the duct on floor level just to the left of the big fan/filter. Aluminum tape seals fan to filter.It's a walk in closet. I left the door open, so air conditioned air was sucked into the room through the open door. Very simple, with minimum ducting. I had a dresser on the other side of that wall, hiding the other fan which sucked the hot air out while pulling cool air in. It was connected to my hood, which I was using at the time. The big fan was also sucking cool air into the room as it scrubbed. Very powerful. No more hoods for me now. Verts are much cooler, so not as much cooling needed. Also used these in the bigger room I posted earlier. No odor at all, even with 22 huge trees, and just the single filter.
Yes, the fans typically sold for those type filters are very loud. Think loud vacuum cleaner running all the time. Will drive you crazy in that small room, and can be heard from outside unless you put lots of insulation/sound proofing, which takes up space and makes room smaller/costs $ and labor. If you can get one of these Panasonic fans, they are the bomb, and last forever, with no noise. Made for bathroom exhausts. They make really small ones, all the way up to the size pictured, which would be for a very big bathroom in a large house.
There is a thread here about it:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=45196

I REALLY recommend this fan, especially in a small place, otherwise the noise will drive you crazy, and they will not last nearly as long. The Panasonic will last virtually forever, and moves a tremendous amount of air silently. Totally stealth.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/building-products/ventilation-systems/

https://www.google.com/search?q=panasonic+whisper+quiet+fans&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls={moz:distributionID}:{moz:locale}:{mozfficial}

Since Panasonic is a worldwide company, I'm guessing they have them in Africa. Any building supply store/construction supplier should have them. If not, you can get it shipped. Also, probably cheaper than hydro store fans, and much more durable. These fans run on a very simple principle, and are virtually indestructible. Also use very small amount of energy, so pays for itself. I was growing in an apartment building at one time, and this made it possible. No one could hear it, and it draws very small amount of current. Worth it's weight in gold. See if you can get one and return your other.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

@Retro... wait, Im not quite grasping this...
In that pic, you have your fan connected directly to your filter, which is sitting on a bucket, and the things all kept upright by the s hooks on the ceiling..??? Am I getting this right...???

So then do you have another fan or what not creating air exchange in said room..?? Like bringing clean fresh air into said room..???

Also... this fan I got... I take it its pretty loud...??

Fuck

Your in Africa in the middle of no where lmao

and were worrying about fan noise ?




Now your making me wonder if My girls love it when I blast that Dr. Dre Chronic 2001 CD



Retro the fan to the filter unattached to ducting filtering air in the room isnt this for sealed systems only ?






AJAE

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Your in Africa in the middle of no where lmao

and were worrying about fan noise ?




Now your making me wonder if My girls love it when I blast that Dr. Dre Chronic 2001 CD

@AJAE... these are two very good points... the bats at night make more noise than the hunk of junk Iv compiled and am running at the mo... That and a hi-way... Iv been blasting King Tubby "Dub Fever" lately.... skeem they fucking digging the dub...!!!

But fuck one of the worst noise's ever is a hoover... that and the voice of boogieboarder...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Just scrubbing with a carbon filter is about 66% effective. Since ur plants aromas aren't going anywhere and the filter doesn't have all the room air pass thru it like in an exhaust situation. Exhausting thru a carbon filter is in the high 90% range of effectiveness. If u pull more air out of the room than is being taken in u create a negative pressure situation where no untreated smelly air can escape. When scrubbing only, if air escapes, some of it will be untreated guaranteed. U can have high effectiveness as retro is stating with scrubbing, but don't fool urself into thinking that its 100% or as good as exhausting, period.

Duct mufflers, insulated ducting, and a layer of padding or something to help absorb the vibration of the fan help to reduce noise. I use carpet padding if attaching the fan to walls/ceiling. Or under the carbon filter if the fan is just resting on the filter.

 

[5th]

... the bats at night make more noise than the hunk of junk Iv compiled and am running at the mo...

....and that....that makes me grin like an idiot...

 

[tleaf jr.]

Duct mufflers, insulated ducting, and a layer of padding or something to help absorb the vibration of the fan help to reduce noise. I use carpet padding if attaching the fan to walls/ceiling. Or under the carbon filter if the fan is just resting on the filter.

Or an old tote filled with clothes with holes cut for ducting pic coming soon...

 

[tleaf jr.]

talk about stealth

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Mirac.... check, on all points and tips.... much appreciated...

@5th... I cant even begin to describe the sound the Hyrax's make...
Think evil snarling twisted cannibal demon rabbit from Watership Down... not even close... Guys have footage of leopard not even ten miles from me... They sound like wood being cut with a hand saw... makes your hair stand the fuck on end...

@t.... thats so stealth Id fool myself thinking I got more dirty washing to do... lol... luckily, no one comes inside the flat, period. I dont mind noise, but it must be consistent... cant stand shit that changes pitch...

 

[LSWM]

Just scrubbing with a carbon filter is about 66% effective. Since ur plants aromas aren't going anywhere and the filter doesn't have all the room air pass thru it like in an exhaust situation. Exhausting thru a carbon filter is in the high 90% range of effectiveness. If u pull more air out of the room than is being taken in u create a negative pressure situation where no untreated smelly air can escape. When scrubbing only, if air escapes, some of it will be untreated guaranteed. U can have high effectiveness as retro is stating with scrubbing, but don't fool urself into thinking that its 100% or as good as exhausting, period.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

As of this morning....

Iv feed these girls only twice since transplant... theres no ways they're gonna go another ten days or veg.... I topped them last sunday... think its bout 3weeks since t/p..... dont quote me though... I really need to revamp the broomroom asap... Im pretty fucking stoked how these girls are taking off... they're about waste height from the bottom of the buckets... so much for two feet of canopy lol... but I remember my first run... plants were about this size....

Thoughts... ??

 

[RetroGrow]

Just scrubbing with a carbon filter is about 66% effective. Since ur plants aromas aren't going anywhere and the filter doesn't have all the room air pass thru it like in an exhaust situation. Exhausting thru a carbon filter is in the high 90% range of effectiveness. If u pull more air out of the room than is being taken in u create a negative pressure situation where no untreated smelly air can escape. When scrubbing only, if air escapes, some of it will be untreated guaranteed. U can have high effectiveness as retro is stating with scrubbing, but don't fool urself into thinking that its 100% or as good as exhausting, period.

Duct mufflers, insulated ducting, and a layer of padding or something to help absorb the vibration of the fan help to reduce noise. I use carpet padding if attaching the fan to walls/ceiling. Or under the carbon filter if the fan is just resting on the filter.

I don't know where you get those numbers from, but from my experience, zero odor gets outside several rooms the setup pictured was run in. Zero. Keep in mind, Smelly's room is less than 20 square feet. @20 square feet, the air in a room that small is being scrubbed 10 times a minute or more. I can stand right in a small room like that with a single floor standing fan/filter, and there is no odor. Let a guy use it for a room inside his garage. With garage door closed, you could stand in the garage, right outside the room, and smell NOTHING. If it didn't work, I could not have used it in an apartment building. These particular fans are completely silent, and last forever. Fan in picture is like 7-8 years old, and still moves a tremendous amount of air silently. Now, if I had a warehouse grow, it would be a different story, although with vertical lighting, these work splendidly, as you don't have to exhaust heat from hoods.

 

[RetroGrow]

As of this morning....

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Iv feed these girls only twice since transplant... theres no ways they're gonna go another ten days or veg.... I topped them last sunday... think its bout 3weeks since t/p..... dont quote me though... I really need to revamp the broomroom asap... Im pretty fucking stoked how these girls are taking off... they're about waste height from the bottom of the buckets... so much for two feet of canopy lol... but I remember my first run... plants were about this size....

Thoughts... ??

No, vegging anymore just means light not penetrating to the bottoms. Already not getting there. When you switch to vertical, all that will change. You can grow tall plants and get penetration to the bottoms with the stack. And stems will be much thicker, since they won't have to stretch to the light. They will be right in the light, bathing in it. You will get thicker, sturdier stems, and bigger buds by far.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

No, vegging anymore just means light not penetrating to the bottoms. Already not getting there. When you switch to vertical, all that will change. You can grow tall plants and get penetration to the bottoms with the stack. And stems will be much thicker, since they won't have to stretch to the light. They will be right in the light, bathing in it. You will get thicker, sturdier stems, and bigger buds by far.

@Retro... so basically, I think you're implying... "Get the fuck to it Smelly, do what you need to do to the broomroom and get it done proper asap...!!" So that I could veg them for a week vert before flipping...??

Keep in mind theres ten plants there.... Im gonna run the room the same style as last time... But Im gonna move the netting back a few inches... and probs pull like a 5th of the shit lower stuff off...

Fuck I got a spare 400w MH ballast and bulb, and some pvc lying around... maybe just make a quik vert stand like icky and replace the hood with that and keep vegging them in the bedroom till Im ready... also really want this Imid to wear off before I harvest[hopeful harvest]

What you think..?

 

[RetroGrow]

Yeah, if you've got the gear, might as well use it. It can be a practice run. Then you can veg them longer to get the imid out. But when you start the next run, you should lower the plant numbers, and let them grow proper from the get go. No stretching. Long veg (6 weeks at least, for SLH), thick stems. Xmas trees with fat buds of lemon funk. But you said "same style as last time", meaning these plants, or the new setup when these are finished? 'Cause you definitely can't use that style next time with a vertical stack. Lights will be in the center, one over the other, surrounded by plants in a circle around them. Fewer plants, but much bigger yield. You won't need the netting, but casters under the pots will be nice, so you can turn/move the plants easily. Turning them will make them grow equally on all sides, unless you want a backside that doesn't grow. That's an option if you are short on space, but I hate to ruin the nice natural Xmas tree shape of SLH. But, you can make that decision later as you see how they fill out the space. Get some nice 6-7 foot trees. You can always prune the backside branches off if that will give a better result, in your space, which may be the case, as your space is limited. But you won't have any popcorn on the bottoms.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@Retro.... we're on the same page... I meant 'theses plants'...
The new[following] setup, will be the SLH setup... I got 5packs, so itll be 5 seedlings...[hopefully get a good cut from the 5 to mom up] an Ill plan to do the whole run in the room, like you advise... start with one vert light and build as they grow... I think Ill def be making some casters.... thanks again for all the help so far...

On further inspection matey from the shop has given me two diff types of acoustic ducting... 1,5m in length each... one is black with rockwool the other is silver with some sponge shit in it... I was only charged for one length....

 

[RetroGrow]

Can you get Foxfarm Light Warrior there? It's the best stuff to start seeds, by far. You would only need one bag. It's light peat with mycorrizhae. Fill up some plastic Solo cups with it. I like the 20 ouncers, but 16 is fine also. They are translucent, so you can see the roots. When cups are filled with roots, transplant directly to coco, and the roots will be populated with mycorrizhae, which increases the root mass tremendously and increases breakdown of enzymes that increase growth. Also has humic acid (immune system booster), and earthworm castings. Not expensive. Worth it's weight in gold. Absolutely the best way to start seedlings. Makes a huge difference to get seedlings off to a running start. Whatever it costs to ship it if not available locally is well worth it. It's very light weight, so shipping shouldn't be much. I would not start seeds without it. I germ in paper towels, and as soon as they crack and show tails, it's into the Lightwarrior.
Ingredients: Contains an organic blend of mycorrhizae fungi (a powerful root stimulator), sphagnum peat moss, horticultural perlite, earthworm castings, granite dust, humic acid and oyster shell (for pH adjustment).
I wouldn't bother posting this if it wasn't the best shit in the world. I can hype this product without hesitation. One bag will last you a bunch of runs. Maybe the dude who is sending the OG Biowar can send some. Some online retailers will ship there. Possibly the place where you bought your gear can order it. You have time to plan ahead. Priority #1 if you can get it.
Can you tell I really like this stuff???...