The 2020 Presidential Election

[White Beard]

Nobody has a sensible policy. I have to agree the NRA should not have any leverage at all. And making quality healthcare available to everyone should result in less mentally unstable people killing themselves or others.

No perfect solution. Time machine to fix gun show loop holes and the lift on the assault rifle ban? Cats out of the bag.

No point in trying to take guns from the sane people until we devise a way to get the nuts to hand over theirs first.

The NRA needs taking apart. AFAIC it can either be a marketing arm of the firearms industry (which it is now), a provocative political advocate and donor (which it has been since La Pierre came on the scene), or a public educational, historical, and practical resource for shooting and related arts (which is where it started, and where it was when I joined).

In the reign of LaPierre, the NRA has been the first two but has only pretended to be the third, and it has ruined the NRA’s reputation with me and many others.

Agree on health care, it took me a long time to come around, but the explosion in healthcare profits made sick people into oil wells - which were sucked dry and cut loose. People forget that there were other changes that came around the same time as the financial inaction of healthcare. The new idea of ‘fiduciary obligation’ to maximize shareholder value above all other considerations and the rise of collateral economic damage as a weapon of big money. The new habit of viewing every human activity or interest or twitch or memory as profit centers, to be exploited and fuck the consequences...which is after all the basic rule at work there. Fuck the consequences, get the money.

there's tons of solutions that don't include being a reactionary boomer carrying guns everywhere you go. that's not the country i want to live in.

also imagine going to church in 2019/2020

Yeah, nothing says confidence and competence like tagging yourself as a potential threat to every passer-by.

We’re nowhere near “likelihood of armed attack in the vicinity”. It’s like the t-shirt version of a flag pin, I think.

As for church, I spent a very fine morning back when I was still walking everywhere, in the woods behind the church, just sitting. God was there and we had a nice little time together. I’ve felt no impulse to set foot in a church for any reason since.

Well, you are obviously not a Texan.

I spent some time in Texas, and I may not ‘know them’ based on that, but I have found Texans to be generally genuinely excellent people. Genuine, open, friendly, and surprisingly tolerant given what most people think of when they don’t know Texans. Texan is not a bad way to be, it’s just so big I think the place bends people. IMO

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

The NRA needs taking apart. AFAIC it can either be a marketing arm of the firearms industry (which it is now), a provocative political advocate and donor (which it has been since La Pierre came on the scene), or a public educational, historical, and practical resource for shooting and related arts (which is where it started, and where it was when I joined).

In the reign of LaPierre, the NRA has been the first two but has only pretended to be the third, and it has ruined the NRA’s reputation with me and many others.

Agree on health care, it took me a long time to come around, but the explosion in healthcare profits made sick people into oil wells - which were sucked dry and cut loose. People forget that there were other changes that came around the same time as the financial inaction of healthcare. The new idea of ‘fiduciary obligation’ to maximize shareholder value above all other considerations and the rise of collateral economic damage as a weapon of big money. The new habit of viewing every human activity or interest or twitch or memory as profit centers, to be exploited and fuck the consequences...which is after all the basic rule at work there. Fuck the consequences, get the money.


Yeah, nothing says confidence and competence like tagging yourself as a potential threat to every passer-by.

We’re nowhere near “likelihood of armed attack in the vicinity”. It’s like the t-shirt version of a flag pin, I think.

As for church, I spent a very fine morning back when I was still walking everywhere, in the woods behind the church, just sitting. God was there and we had a nice little time together. I’ve felt no impulse to set foot in a church for any reason since.


I spent some time in Texas, and I may not ‘know them’ based on that, but I have found Texans to be generally genuinely excellent people. Genuine, open, friendly, and surprisingly tolerant given what most people think of when they don’t know Texans. Texan is not a bad way to be, it’s just so big I think the place bends people. IMO

I particularly like the lack of zoning and building code restrictions in west texas.

 

[Capra ibex]

Well, you could always opt for Trump's genius idea.... 'take the guns first and then do due process later'

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

This story seems to be getting traction. Perhaps this will help to shake lose Mulvaney et al for testimony.

Cause I know that even the trumphumpers here want to have relative witnesses at the senate trail. Right?



Behind the Ukraine Aid Freeze: 84 Days of Conflict and Confusion
The inside story of President Trump’s demand to halt military assistance to an ally shows the price he was willing to pay to carry out his agenda.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/29/us/politics/trump-ukraine-military-aid.html

minds_I

PS.. is it a patriot that leaks info about a corrupt president or a traitor?

 

['Boogieman']

Texas just legalized bringing guns into church, if armed citizens were not present many more would have lost their lives.

 

[Absolem]

It's time for churches to pay federal taxes and property taxes. Not sure why they get to own prime property in cities across the US and pay nothing in taxes. The only taxes they pay is FICA on employees.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

It's time for churches to pay federal taxes and property taxes. Not sure why they get to own prime property in cities across the US and pay nothing in taxes. The only taxes they pay is FICA on employees.

Finally, something we can agree on!

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Cool, I guess Assange has an extradition hearing in February. That's exciting! I am dissapointed that the media is too busy to cover the Syrian chemical weapons story. But, I'm patient. I'm a gardener. You have to be pateint to be a good gardener.
Timing wise, it's looking like it may coincide with a busy election season. I think that the dems will have quite a challenge to overcome when truth starts pouring out of all the holes in the naratives that have been spun by the media - intelligence complex. I can hardly wait to see the 2020 debates!

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

We should get a pool going on when Joe Biden calls it quits? I give him 3 more weeks. What say you?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

I doubt he'll make it to the primaries.

 

[Absolem]

Finally, something we can agree on!

Lol. Oh I bet if we hung out the differences would vanish.

The Milgram Experiment is well and alive on forums.(In the realm of how people treat each other when not face to face).

 

[Absolem]

Cool, I guess Assange has an extradition hearing in February. That's exciting! I am dissapointed that the media is too busy to cover the Syrian chemical weapons story. But, I'm patient. I'm a gardener. You have to be pateint to be a good gardener.
Timing wise, it's looking like it may coincide with a busy election season. I think that the dems will have quite a challenge to overcome when truth starts pouring out of all the holes in the naratives that have been spun by the media - intelligence complex. I can hardly wait to see the 2020 debates!

Real news outlets need to verify stories before reporting on them. I would guess they have their intel out vetting sources finding out what's verified and what isn't.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Real news outlets need to verify stories before reporting on them. I would guess they have their intel out vetting sources finding out what's verified and what isn't.

That wouldn't have taken this long. The release was on the 27th. Plus, this story has been bubbling up for almost a month now and pretty much the only mainstream media that would touch it tried to spin it and deny and I think they resorted to using the 'conspiracy theory' label. I think they threw the word 'debunked' in there too. But that was before the document dump. The media can't cover it. They will be forced to though, I have a feeling.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Lol. Oh I bet if we hung out the differences would vanish.

The Milgram Experiment is well and alive on forums.(In the realm of how people treat each other when not face to face).

Haha, most definitely!

 

[Absolem]

When Fox News won't hardly touch this story on their website other then saying "accused" I know somethings up. 1 month isn't that long to gather all the facts. You just want it pushed because it fits a narrative that you hope is true.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

When Fox News won't hardly touch this story on their website other then saying "accused" I know somethings up. 1 month isn't that long to gather all the facts. You just want it pushed because it fits narrative that you hope is true.

Well, think about it. When the attacks happen, they cover it immediately and rely on known liars as experts who have never been known to tell the truth and accept everything they say as truth even though it was always completely senseless. They don't cover it a week later or certainly a month later. The story should have reporters all over it. The whole idea...

Obama announces that he wont pursue regime change in syria unless Assad crosses his "red line," which happened to be chemical weapons. Why would Assad attack his own people with chemical weapons knowing that the US will try to take him out? And every time Assad's army gained ground against ISIS, suddenly he would cross Obama's "red line" again.There used to be footage on youtube of the child 'victims' covered in ash suddenly getting up and dancing and smiling after they called 'cut.' And the victims who were actually dead, such as the ones in the wiki leak, were kidnapped and murdered civilians whos bodies were placed at the scene. All of this was very well covered by real journalists at the time. They even interviewed the children and found out that they were paid in food. Democrats tend not to know, but they'll find out.

What you have here are neo-nazi tactics of NATO and the UN.

 

[Absolem]

Well, think about it. When the attacks happen, they cover it immediately and rely on known liars as experts who have never been known to tell the truth and accept everything they say as truth even though it was always completely senseless. They don't cover it a week later or certainly a month later. The story should have reporters all over it. The whole idea...

Obama announces that he wont pursue regime change in syria unless Assad crosses his "red line," which happened to be chemical weapons. Why would Assad attack his own people with chemical weapons knowing that the US will try to take him out? And every time Assad's army gained ground against ISIS, suddenly he would cross Obama's "red line" again.There used to be footage on youtube of the child 'victims' covered in ash suddenly getting up and dancing and smiling after they called 'cut.' And the victims who were actually dead, such as the ones in the wiki leak, were kidnapped and murdered civilians whos bodies were placed at the scene. All of this was very well covered by real journalists at the time. They even interviewed the children and found out that they were paid in food. Democrats tend not to know, but they'll find out.

What you have here are neo-nazi tactics of NATO and the UN.

You posted a bunch of opinion and hope for your beliefs. I have no point in debating this till more is known. If you want your fill of it then tune into talk radio where they can feed you all the red meat you want on this topic. As I stated before. Fox News has had one article on this. Come on we are talking Fox. And they ain't said shit in one month on the Wikileaks release. Common sense should tell you alone that is a major clue/flag on this story.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

You posted a bunch of opinion and hope for your beliefs. I have no point in debating this till more is known. If you want your fill of it then tune into talk radio where they can feed you all the red meat you want on this topic. As I stated before. Fox News has had one article on this. Come on we are talking Fox. And they ain't said shit in one month on the Wikileaks release. Common sense should tell you alone that is a major clue/flag on this story.

I honestly think that the MSM is being monitored and patterns being noted and recorded and that a case has been built quite solidly that they are working on behalf of foreign intelligence. I am not surprised that it isn't being covered...yet.

Givin the amount of bias and propaganda in fox news, I recomend thinking of it as 'information,' not news. But, it has lots of valuable info. Most of the 'never trump media' is entirely meant to disinform you. And protect the 'global agenda.'

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

But, yeah, maybe the media is just busy...

 

[Absolem]

But, yeah, maybe the media is just busy...

Fox News is just too busy right now and will pass on this juicy story. Fox being the first to get the facts out and verify the story then let their opinion hosts off their leashes is just too much work for them right now. They are even part of the deep state holding the truth back on ya.





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