The 2020 Presidential Election

[Tudo]

Speaking of Greece, it is the birthplace of democracy. Many Americans claim the US is where democracy originated, despite it not being a democracy.

That's because many Americans cannot tell the difference between fact or fiction, freedom and slavery. And USA is not a democracy but a democratic republic. You will not see the word democracy in any of the founding documents, dec of independence, constitution, bill of rights. Nowhere to be found. And it's precisely the reason why Greece is what it is today, because of democracy.
They are protesting in Hong Kong I saw the other day and one of the points is they want "democracy" and then in the same sentence said "freedom'. Sorry, democracy is not freedom. If it's freedom you want then you don't need to rename it.

 

[Absolem]

Pretty clear some people on here don't even know the definition for the word "democracy". Or where the word came from. Microbman is correct about the word originating from Greece. It's funny watching conservatives on here just make shit up for the meaning of words.

de·moc·ra·cy
/dəˈmäkrəsē/
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noun
noun: democracy
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"
synonyms: representative government, elective government, constitutional government, popular government; More
antonyms: tyranny, dictatorship
a state governed by a democracy.
plural noun: democracies
"a multiparty democracy"
control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
"the intended extension of industrial democracy"
the practice or principles of social equality.
"demands for greater democracy"
Origin-late 16th century: from French démocratie, via late Latin from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos ‘the people’ + -kratia ‘power, rule’.

 

[Gry]

That's because many Americans cannot tell the difference between fact or fiction, freedom and slavery. And USA is not a democracy but a democratic republic. You will not see the word democracy in any of the founding documents, dec of independence, constitution, bill of rights. Nowhere to be found. And it's precisely the reason why Greece is what it is today, because of democracy.
They are protesting in Hong Kong I saw the other day and one of the points is they want "democracy" and then in the same sentence said "freedom'. Sorry, democracy is not freedom. If it's freedom you want then you don't need to rename it.

Quite a post, and having spent a goodly number years in Kowloon it caught my eye.
Never ceases to amaze me how many express contempt and hate at the very concept of democratic principals.
Greece is the shape it is today, like most other countries due to orchestrated debit finance.
Where might one look to find the many Americans who can not tell the difference between freedom and slavery, or fact and fiction?

Supporting link specifically for those
of a libertarian persuasion.
https://mises.org/library/hit-man-confesses

 

[Tudo]

Actually I don't subscribe to any of the politics and as far as economics I absolutely reject all socialism in all forms and subscribe instead to market freedoms. Alas we will never see anything like this as no question the socialists have won the day.....just a matter of whether it's left or right wing it's all based on the same thing. Force.


This is more along the lines of what I subscribe to economically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises




The lp represented me when Harry Browne was running. To a much lesser extent when Ron Paul ran. I never agreed with Paul's position on why he was in the republican party and as far as I'm concerned his vision failed. Unfortunate.


So there ya go

 

[Tudo]

Greece is the shape it is today, like most other countries due to orchestrated debit finance.
Where might one look to find the many Americans who can not tell the freedom and slavery, or fact between fiction?

Ahh yes, the debt. It must have just fallen from the sky you think? Or did a "majority" decide to do things that way? That's democracy right? Majority ruled gry? So then 51% can made the decisions for the other 49% yes?


Is the 49% free?


Perhaps look in the mirror

 

[Absolem]

Ahh yes, the debt. It must have just fallen from the sky you think? Or did a "majority" decide to do things that way? That's democracy right? Majority ruled gry? So then 51% can made the decisions for the other 49% yes?


Is the 49% free?


Perhaps look in the mirror

Greece doesn't have a "majority decide" based government. Not sure where you are getting your info from? From your own narrow view of the word "democracy"?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-type-of-government-does-greece-have.html
What Type of Government Does Greece Have?
Greece is a parliamentary republic and the President, the Head of State of Greece, is elected by the Parliament every five years. The government in Greece mirrors those in most western countries, complete with the three branches of the Executive, Legislature, and Judiciary. Elections in Greece are held after every four years to elect members of the Hellenic Parliament. Various aspects of the government of Greece are discussed below:

 

[Tudo]

Greece doesn't have a "majority decide" based government. Not sure where you are getting your info from? From your own narrow view of the word "democracy"?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-type-of-government-does-greece-have.html
What Type of Government Does Greece Have?
Greece is a parliamentary republic and the President, the Head of State of Greece, is elected by the Parliament every five years. The government in Greece mirrors those in most western countries, complete with the three branches of the Executive, Legislature, and Judiciary. Elections in Greece are held after every four years to elect members of the Hellenic Parliament. Various aspects of the government of Greece are discussed below:

Ok so why don't you educate the masses, WHO decides on what to spend and where to spend it ? Is there a majority of anything that promotes that debt spending? So some say yeah and some say nay? How democratic.

 

[Absolem]

Ok so why don't you educate the masses, WHO decides on what to spend and where to spend it ? Is there a majority of anything that promotes that debt spending? So some say yeah and some say nay? How democratic.

You should really learn the definition for the word "democracy".

The word democracy is just a generic description for governments where the citizens can vote and are represented by elected officials. Like the US, France, Britain, Ireland, Germany, Greece, etc.

Not really that hard to get. If you want to debate further cite some sources/definitions and name some countries that were completely run by majority rule.

 

[Tudo]

You should really learn the definition for the word "democracy".

The word democracy is just a generic description for governments where the citizens can vote and are represented by elected officials. Like the US, France, Britain, Ireland, Germany, Greece, etc.

Not really that hard to get. If you want to debate further cite some sources/definitions and name some countries that were completely run by majority rule.

Yeah your right, Thanks for the tips, I can see you have a great understanding of this complicated matter.

 

[Microbeman]

Quite a post, and having spent a goodly number years in Kowloon it caught my eye.
Never ceases to amaze me how many express contempt and hate at the very concept of democratic principals.
Greece is the shape it is today, like most other countries due to orchestrated debit finance.
Where might one look to find the many Americans who can not tell the difference between freedom and slavery, or fact and fiction?

Supporting link specifically for those
of a libertarian persuasion.
https://mises.org/library/hit-man-confesses

Excellent post and better said than I was going to.

 

[Microbeman]

I would guess that Obama is the primary reason that the USA did not go down the debt toilet. However the present administration may just jiggle that handle yet. Looking to the stock market for the health of the economy is false and stupid.

 

[White Beard]

That's because many Americans cannot tell the difference between fact or fiction, freedom and slavery. And USA is not a democracy but a democratic republic. You will not see the word democracy in any of the founding documents, dec of independence, constitution, bill of rights. Nowhere to be found. And it's precisely the reason why Greece is what it is today, because of democracy.

News flash: Greece suffered under a right-wing military government for much of the 60s and 70s (maybe longer). Classic cold-war client-State situation, we were funding the widespread suppression of dissent during that period, as we did many other places.

They are protesting in Hong Kong I saw the other day and one of the points is they want "democracy" and then in the same sentence said "freedom'. Sorry, democracy is not freedom. If it's freedom you want then you don't need to rename it.

Democracy represents a voice for the people in government. Only exists if you’re free to cast a vote. Keep up.

 

[Gry]

Ahh yes, the debt. It must have just fallen from the sky you think? Or did a "majority" decide to do things that way? That's democracy right? Majority ruled gry? So then 51% can made the decisions for the other 49% yes?


Is the 49% free?


Perhaps look in the mirror

You made an outrageous statement, ([FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That's because many Americans cannot tell the difference between fact or fiction, freedom and slavery)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When questioned on it, the best you can manage for a response is tell me to go look in a mirror.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In light of past conversations, I had expected better.
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[packerfan79]

I would guess that Obama is the primary reason that the USA did not go down the debt toilet. However the present administration may just jiggle that handle yet. Looking to the stock market for the health of the economy is false and stupid.

That's rich, Obama literally doubled the debt accumulated by all previous presidents combined.

 

[Microbeman]

That's rich, Obama literally doubled the debt accumulated by all previous presidents combined.

Down the toilet is key. Watch this one.

 

[Microbeman]

Is illiteracy rampant in North America?

 

[Tudo]

Again you show you are verrrry sharp.

 

[Cannavore]

That's because many Americans cannot tell the difference between fact or fiction, freedom and slavery. And USA is not a democracy but a democratic republic. You will not see the word democracy in any of the founding documents, dec of independence, constitution, bill of rights. Nowhere to be found. And it's precisely the reason why Greece is what it is today, because of democracy.
They are protesting in Hong Kong I saw the other day and one of the points is they want "democracy" and then in the same sentence said "freedom'. Sorry, democracy is not freedom. If it's freedom you want then you don't need to rename it.

A republic is basically indirect democracy. No one means direct democracy when they say Democracy.

 

['Boogieman']

Obama definitely doubled the national debt, that is a fact.

 

[White Beard]

Is illiteracy rampant in North America?

There seems to be some sort of seekrit conservative decoder ring that “explains” what evil Dems mean by using perfectly normal words to say things. It renders them incapable of hearing anything as actual speech unless it matches the “meanings” provided by the “decoder”.

I can’t account for the constant stream of lies, insults, and ignorant “history” lessons otherwise. FTR, I’m not calling any of you liars. I AM saying that the things you say, which we say aren’t true, *ACTUALLY* aren’t true, and those things DO come from liars. Those people, those liars are not your friends and they’re not patriots.

If you’re not in on it, you’ve already been sold down the river.