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The 2020 Presidential Election

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h.h.

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Unions used to have a lot of control. It resulted in better working conditions for all.

Today very few belong to a union. They help very few in a disproportionate manner. Much like a big corporation.

Two schools of thought come across in the democratic candidates. In came to light in the Nevada caucus. Should the government handle the wage scale, provide healthcare or should they promote unions that do? If the government does, what happens to the unions? Do they wither and die? What happens when the government decides it no longer wants to provide such as its doing now?
On the other hand, do we trust the unions or are they just another bureaucracy?
 

Cool Moe

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Stormy Daniels. Trump can be the master debater.

In this new world of tit for tat I would definitely vote tit for tit. With those cannons all she has to do is get preggo and she could single-handedly save the dairy farmers
 

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"many in this establishment are behaving in my view as they face the prospect of a bernie sanders nomination like out of touch aristocrats in a dying aristocracy"


love when the truth seeps through corporate tv. joy reid can't do anything except nervously smile lmao.
 

Cannavore

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we don't have real capitalism in this country either lol we have state capitalism and crony capitalism.
most people would die or be living like pigs in a market without any government intervention.


you need some Chomsky in your life
 

bigtacofarmer

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The true reason these guys hate Trump is because they hate capitalism. Change my mind...

I hate unchecked capitalism. It does not work. Right now the capitalists are pumping up the economy. Peoples debt is growing, cost of living growing. Car loan defaults are at an all time high. The billionaires are enjoying the billions while American workers still live paycheck to paycheck. Soon it will crash again. People will lose houses and cars. After a few years they will offer your jobs and credit back. Call it a good economy or some bullshit.
 

'Boogieman'

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we don't have real capitalism in this country either lol we have state capitalism and crony capitalism.
most people would die or be living like pigs in a market without any government intervention.


you need some Chomsky in your life

My dad started a successful business from nothing, do you really expect me to take you seriously? Don't know what Chomsky is, don't think I should bother finding out either.
 

'Boogieman'

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I hate unchecked capitalism. It does not work. Right now the capitalists are pumping up the economy. Peoples debt is growing, cost of living growing. Car loan defaults are at an all time high. The billionaires are enjoying the billions while American workers still live paycheck to paycheck. Soon it will crash again. People will lose houses and cars. After a few years they will offer your jobs and credit back. Call it a good economy or some bullshit.

You guys been crying recession now for over a year, just another talking point being pushed by the msm. Honest question do you or did you ever have a 401k?
 

armedoldhippy

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Don't be a sore sport. The intelligence agencies have had over 3 years to " use the 6 ways to Sunday" to get back at Trump and failed. Or you just a homophobe who can't stand to see a gay man appointed to high ranking position in the intelligence community?

what the fuck are you talking about? i said "the truth will come out." where in my post did i mention trump, Putin, Russia, Ukraine, or any homosexual you pulled out of your ass to try to paint me as a homophobic individual? who is the "gay man" you are referring to? WTF? one minute you are deriding the intelligence community, the next you try to use the fact there is (allegedly, by you) an individual IN that community you feel needs protecting from my (in your brain only) hostility? :laughing:
 

Microbeman

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The true reason these guys hate Trump is because they hate capitalism. Change my mind...

The economics presently used in the western world to the best of my knowledge is Keynesian Economics which is modeled from the theories presented by John Keynes [see my signature for quotes]

Were we to have a true free market system, wealth distribution would be more even [as in level playing field]
 

h.h.

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I have to have my license for 4 years before I can start a plumbing business, but yes I could a year from now and with the shortage of plumbers and hvac technicians I'm sure I would be successful.

A shortage of labor is bad for business.
 

White Beard

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"many in this establishment are behaving in my view as they face the prospect of a bernie sanders nomination like out of touch aristocrats in a dying aristocracy"

love when the truth seeps through corporate tv. joy reid can't do anything except nervously smile lmao.
This guy is new to me.. what he says here makes sense to me.

I hate unchecked capitalism. It does not work. Right now the capitalists are pumping up the economy. Peoples debt is growing, cost of living growing. Car loan defaults are at an all time high. The billionaires are enjoying the billions while American workers still live paycheck to paycheck. Soon it will crash again. People will lose houses and cars. After a few years they will offer your jobs and credit back. Call it a good economy or some bullshit.
Capitalism only works for capitalists and their top cadre: that’s who it’s SUPPOSED to work for. It simply is not supposed to work for workers: workers are peasants, servants, undeserving of a living wage, without recourse

The economics presently used in the western world to the best of my knowledge is Keynesian Economics which is modeled from the theories presented by John Keynes [see my signature for quotes]

Were we to have a true free market system, wealth distribution would be more even [as in level playing field]

Here in the US, Keynesian economics have largely been replaced (silently) by “public choice” economics, which holds that the right of money to do whatever it wants it THE single most important factor in business, government, and society (that is *my* summation, not their cover story). Google “James Buchanan Mont (Mount?) Pelerin”.

There are still semi-Keynesian things going on, like deficit spending, like qualitative easing, but Paul Ryan’s style is “public choice”, and it has dominated increasingly since Reagan.
 

'Boogieman'

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A shortage of labor is bad for business.

I would want to stay small and do all the work myself. We have no shortage of calls you will definitely stay busy. In Indiana you don't have to be Union and you can work out of your house so the overhead is basically your house payment or rent and the cost of insurance. If my dad couldn't work out of his house the chances of success would have been much lower.
 
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