Thailand Outdoor II (2007)

[jaykush]

hey thai the family is looking great. lets hope theres a lot of girls in this family haha.

i bet you wont see much from the seedlings for at least week or two before the experiments start showing which is better. they need to establish a root system first off.

the coconut milk idea is cool

what type of thai seeds are those. just bagseeds?

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Hi Jay,

In that picture there are 3 strains...3 from some Thai brick from a year or more ago...1 is from an especially tasty/fresh Thai brick...the shortest one there is actually the LAST Blue Mystic (Nirvana) to sprout...The 3 Thai seedlings are VERY uniform.

I m still waiting for more seeds to sprout...hopefully...more Cali-o, a few others that if they sprout I'll write about them! haha

I have also been adding very dilute mixture of coconut milk to the seeds in the soil. I hope they sprout soon!!

 

[sirharrynuggz]

Nice!!! I really want to see how that landrace comes along.

 

[Brother_Monk]

Just a curiosity question here thai....how did you first discover that coconut milk helps germination? It just seems odd to me and I have never heard this before. Could you provide a link to a thread or study pertaining to this method? Or was it just something that someone passed down through the generations? Thx.

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Hey BrotherMonk...I have no concrete evidence that it actually does any good! It could be pure coincidence. I mean, even though they looked like they germed...nothing has sprouted yet. I really wanted a few more Cali-o plants..

I do not have a link nor remember exactly where I read it. Most likely on here somewhere. I do seem to recall reading a thread somewhere about alternative germination methods. In there somewhere was an idea about why the seeds do not germ, that being that some part of the seed had dried somewhat, and that an enzyme might do the trick to "bring it back" so to speak...sorry about the vagueness.

Perhaps I got a bit excited about the fact that the SADPXSkunk#1 even popped..?

I will try it again when I have some more seeds...

 

[Brother_Monk]

It's all good buddy! I too have the SADP x Skunk, and have not tried to germ them because of all the bad publicity they got. But if soaking them in coconut milk helps...then so be it No big loss for a freebie tho. Someday I'll see if I can get one or two to pop. Who knows...maybe we'll start a trend with the coconuts?

 

[ThaiPhoon]

BrotherMonk...I just did a quick google and found info about enriching medium with coconut milk. The technique is used on immature seeds tho..I will still be using coconut milk myself. I just think that people reading should try at their own risk. I don't want to be blamed for anyting! haha

from
http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1290%2F1054-5476(2003)039%5B0437%3AOHYOZE%5D2.0.CO%3B2
Isolation of zygotic embryos from seeds and their culture in a defined medium, initiated by Hannig in 1904, has proved to be a promising method to study the factors that control growth and differentiation of embryos. Using this technique, several investigations have focused on the carbohydrate and nitrogen nutrition during germination of cultured seed embryos and on the effects of plant hormones on their morphogenesis. Culture of immature embryos leads to their germination into weak seedlings, skipping the later stages of embryogenesis, by a process known as precocious germination. Progressively smaller embryos have been cultured by supplementation of the medium with coconut milk or hormonal additives or by osmotic adjustment of the medium by high concentrations of sucrose or mannitol. Although methods have not been developed for large-scale isolation and culture of zygotes, zygotes of maize isolated from embryo sacs and those obtained by in vitro fertilization have been grown in culture into full-term embryos. Embryo culture techniques are widely used to rescue embryos from seeds of wide crosses which usually abort and to overcome dormancy of recalcitrant seeds.

 

[Andyo]

pure thai landrace

pure thai landrace

hey thaipoon which thai do you have big or small seed.
on the coconut milk when you think about it a coconut is one big seed.

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Andyo...I am not certain if I have a big seed or small seed Thai...I mean I have seen bigger seeds and I have seen smaller seeds. That being said, I would have to say I have medium sized Thai seeds. I will take some photo's of the seeds if you need to see them. I believe I have a few left....

I have some good news....A new family member has arrived today. The problem is I forget exactly which seed I put in this particular pot...it was the only one I didn't label. I know for sure that it is not Thai. I think it might be the Mississippi Mud seed I had given up on...Time will tell!

Peace

 

[mossy]

ThaiPhoon..
You are up and running again.
Best of Luck for the new season Friend.
I have my fingers crossed for lots of girls for you.
Happy harvesting..

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Hey mossy, Thanks for the well wishes. I saw how successful you were with making seeds of the MM! Excellent job! I really think that the newest seedling is indeed the MM. It has the nice dark leaves as well as the purply/red stem...fingers crossed for sure!

Peace

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Photos!

Photos!

OK the Thai seedlings are humming along nicely! As is the BlueMystic, and the MM? ha!





I have mixed up some EXPERIMENTAL soil. I have done this based on some study done at a Thai University. The study found that a 50-50 mix of coco and rice husk charcoal had a 100% success rate in propagating some type of bamboo. I know there is no obvious relation to cannabis, but in the name of science I am gonna try! I have also applied dolomite at the rate of 2tbsp/gal. This soil feels great! its spongy, holds together well when squeezed, breaks apart very easily when tapped! I can easily shove my hand all the way to the bottom of a 3.5 gallon bucket of it as well. So we'll see how our beloved plant likes the mix. I will be feeding with my homemade organics.



I have the following fermenting away in milk jugs, mixed with approx 1/3 the volume of the substance, of molasses: pineapple mango papaya banana pumpkin fish and rice bran.

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Here is some more info about using coconut water. The clear juice at the center of a coconut. source:http://www.laguna.net/biotech/biotech_updates/biotech_updates13.html

Coconut water, considered by many as waste, can actually make plants grow healthier and abundantly even in one’s very own home. Imagine the benefits wasted if we realize that a certain dessicated coconut factory throws about 90,000 liters of coconut water from 300,000 mature nuts!

Coconut water contains plant growth hormones like auxins, gibberilins, and cytokinins. Auxins and gibberilins are known growth regulators. Cytokinins act as root development enhancer and thus increase uptake of nutrients by the plants. This results in early flowering and fruiting.

Researchers at the National Institute of Molecular Biology and Biotechnology (BIOTECH) at UP Los Baños developed the technology of extracting growth hormones from waste coconut water. The product called Cocogro, can be used as a fertilizer supplement although this is not a fertilizer substitute.

Results of field trials done showed that the use of Cocogro can increase yield of beans by 64%, peanuts by 15%, sweet pepper by 111% and vegetables (Chinese cabbage and pechay) by 20-30%.

To enhance growth of orchid cultures, simply add Cocogro in the tissue culture medium (5-20 mL/liter of medium). It was proven to be more effective than synthetic growth hormones. Orchid seedlings, when sprayed with Cocogro, can increase in growth by 100% within a month. Just mix Cocogro with water and then spray to the plant or use as soaking medium. The amount of Cocogro to be used depends on the type of plants where it will be applied. For example, stem cuttings can be soaked overnight in a mixture of 50-100 mL Cocogro per liter of water before planting.

Cocogro is also good for ornamentals, cereal crops, fruit trees and flowering plants.For spray treatment in orchids and other ornamentals, mix 10 mL Cocogro per liter water.

This product is safe to use and environment friendly. It can also increase plants’ tolerance to stress like drought and unfavorable soil condition and at the same time increase crop yield and induce flowering.

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I guess cocogro is their product, I have access to a few hundred coconuts here, so I will have to try the coconut water for sure!

 

[ThaiPhoon]

I have also found a lot of good info about fermenting urine with other organic matter etc...I think I'll get to posting that stuff in the OFC.

After doing more research I came to the conclusion that the 50/50 coco/rice husk charcoal was not so good. The reason: no humus! hah. Well to remedy that I took two parts coco/RHC and one part compost/ewc. The whole mix gets 2tbsp/gal of dolomite lime. My goal is to get a nice airy soil without using perlite!

All the Thai seedlings are now in that new mix. I have started a dozen more seeds...3 MORE cali-o the rest are a new cross of Malawi Gold X Flo...BIG thanks to the supplier of those beans!!

I am doing the paper towel method this time, no coconut juices yet!

Peace

 

[sacapedra]

hi thaiphoon!
i´ll really enjoy to see your outdoors from a place so far away... think the climate is quite different to mine.

well let´s hope for nice plants
greetz from old europe
sacapedra

 

[Guest]

Interesting plan with the soil! I think most sativa's prefer a dryer well draining soil well i guess cannabis dose in general hehe.
That malawi gold x flo cross looks great and i am sure it will do very well in your climate! best of luck them i cant wait to see how they do

 

[Brother_Monk]

Hahahahah you got some goldfinger! The coconut thing keeps getting more and more interesting.

Question regarding the thai genetics. I was gifted some thai beans recently and was wondering...wouldn't it be best to start them right off under 12/12. My climate is no good for long flowering sativas, so I have to do it indoors.

Now...where's them dam coconuts?

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Hi sacapedra, thanks for stopping by my little thread!

Hi Neil, I am really excited about that cross! I checked the paper towels this morning and there was one seed showing a nice root already!

Hey BrotherMonk,
I believe most people that have grown Thai indoors do start them at 12/12 and then in flowering they often cut the lights to 10hours and 14 for dark. I have never grown Thai indoors tho! I think if Elevator Man reads this he will have more insight than I do.

 

[Elevator Man]

*whistles innocently...*

I can't wait to see how those Goldfingers respond to some real light...

Yeah, that's what I was doing - 12/12 veg, and then 10/14 flower - seemed to be exactly what they wanted, and began budding after five days. I'm going to phone my friend tomorrow and see how those two Thai chicks are doing round at his place...

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Here is a group shot. I have a few new additions! FINALLY got some Cali-O going! (in the 3 white cups nearest the back) The Goldfingers are in the other 4 white cups. There is a "special" Goldfinger sprout that doesn't want to unfold the cotyledons...I have made sure they are not physically stuck!

So in the TopLeft there is a Thai, next to the right is the BlueMystic.TopRight a nice Thai plant with much shorter nodes than the others! The black pot MiddleLeft contains the mystery plant-could be Cali-o though, not MM as I had thought...MiddleRight black pot has another nice Thai plant. Bottom right has the plant that started out life in the experimental mix of 25%coffee grounds..It is WAY behind the others...so next time MUCH less coffee. Finally the bottomLeft is that special Goldfinger.