Thai

[Keif Cake]

"Ethephon has the potential to cause severe skin and eye irritation (Toxicity Category I), but otherwise is moderately acutely toxic. An organophosphate pesticide, it has the potential to cause cholinesterase inhibition."

Severe irritation is enough for me not to smoke it

Edit:
Hard to find anything conclusive, other than Ethephone is coverted to ethylene by plants metabolism, and some conflicting reports about Ethephons Toxicity.

 

[goingrey]

Ethephon used on the plant is converted to ethylene which causes lymphoma, leukemia, stomach and breast cancers. People mainly are mainly exposed to it through industrial emissions and... tobacco smoke. So maybe "used on tobacco" is not such a great endorsement. But ok, how many reversed males are you going to be toking, and how much of each one... probably it's not so dangerous. But also, how good an idea of the potential of its children will you get anyway by smoking some reversed male?

 

[Keif Cake]

Ethephon used on the plant is converted to ethylene which causes lymphoma, leukemia, stomach and breast cancers. People mainly are mainly exposed to it through industrial emissions and... tobacco smoke. So maybe "used on tobacco" is not such a great endorsement. But ok, how many reversed males are you going to be toking, and how much of each one... probably it's not so dangerous. But also, how good an idea of the potential of its children will you get anyway by smoking some reversed male?

I guess that is one train of thought, maybe just a little J to test it? I couldn't imagine much more than that with those risks.

 

[Keif Cake]

The Thai has turned into a bit a monster, a week ago i pinched off the tops of all 4 main leaders about a foot below the light, didnt matter, it still stretched up into the light.

And a week later

The Chocolate Thai

And the other two Ace thai, not nearly as impressed with them as i am the main lady thai, but we already knew that from the veg selection and we will see if i let them finish. One of them is growing outrageously long branches and node spacing, the other is the compete opposite, barely a branch on it. I already removed the ends of 4 of the branches on the bottom one, and it has still outstretched tremendously. Unless they get too out of control, i will at least stick them in a corner or something to finish.

 

[entropical]

I guess that is one train of thought, maybe just a little J to test it? I couldn't imagine much more than that with those risks.

Plants produce ethylene, it is a gas and after you burp your jars it should be the least of worries.

Nice work with the thais btw, the Chocolate Thai is Hazemans F4? It could have a dash of Indigo Diamond in it, possibly.

 

[Keif Cake]

Plants produce ethylene, it is a gas and after you burp your jars it should be the least of worries.

Nice work with the thais btw, the Chocolate Thai is Hazemans F4? It could have a dash of Indigo Diamond in it, possibly.

i know fruit offgasses ethylene, but I've never took a deep dive into it, and would rather exercise caution with things i dont completely understand.

Thank you! And Oh no!! I ran the Hazemans F4, didn't really care for it after seeing the indigo mixed in, of maybe 6 seeds, only one looked sativa, and i recognize the structure of it in one of the males on growing, so it is good to know which one is Drawohs descendant. This Double chocolate thai is from snowhigh / legendary genetix and is an old school heirloom chocolate thai x Drawohs chocolate thai.

I do have a whole lot of Drawohs F4 x Honduras reversed seeds i made, and will run some of them sometime this year to see what's in them.

 

[Nannymouse]

@entropical , are you sure about Indigo Diamond being in chocolate thai? I only saw it listed in the Chocolate Trip? Personally, i like the CTrip...maybe even better than the Chocolate Thai's that i've sampled.

But, i suppose if going for a more sativa plant, not having IndigoDiamond in there would be the way to go.

 

[Keif Cake]

@entropical , are you sure about Indigo Diamond being in chocolate thai? I only saw it listed in the Chocolate Trip? Personally, i like the CTrip...maybe even better than the Chocolate Thai's that i've sampled.

But, i suppose if going for a more sativa plant, not having IndigoDiamond in there would be the way to go.

I know without a doubt there is some kind of indica in the F4, i wasn't able to find out a lot of information on the breeding in my research on it other than a thread on his 1st or 2nd attempt of working with Drawohs Chocolate Thai where he got all male offspring, and wouldn't release a pure Chocolate thai out of respect for Drawoh.

 

[Nannymouse]

The way that i interpreted the 2.5 version, is that the full third generation grow wouldn't yield females, so he had to back up and use a male from generation 2.

Snowhigh reported that his was back cross...using an indica version of BigSurHolyWeed... (CT x BSHW) x CT. I do not know what Hazeman did.

I have not found anything where it is specifically stated that Drawoh outcrossed, but if you can find it, rattle my cage.

Supposedly, the one version of Chocolate Thai came out of Hawaii, so we don't really know the entire background, but it was stated that it was full 14 week sativa. I don't know how many versions of chocolate thai there were that were brought in to North Ameirca, in the past.

Not that i'm an expert on sativas, but i thought that the version of Chocolate Thai from AKBeanBrains sure grew sativa-like.

In any case, it all comes down to the end product, IMO. I know that some people are more 'purist' than i am about lineages, but as far as i'm concerned, the SilkRoad, SpiceRoad, and IncenseRoad got going good and mixed everything up...doubt that much anything out there is all that pure.

Gang on dude! I like what i am seeing.

 

[Keif Cake]

The way that i interpreted the 2.5 version, is that the full third generation grow wouldn't yield females, so he had to back up and use a male from generation 2.

Snowhigh reported that his was back cross...using an indica version of BigSurHolyWeed... (CT x BSHW) x CT. I do not know what Hazeman did.

I have not found anything where it is specifically stated that Drawoh outcrossed, but if you can find it, rattle my cage.

Supposedly, the one version of Chocolate Thai came out of Hawaii, so we don't really know the entire background, but it was stated that it was full 14 week sativa. I don't know how many versions of chocolate thai there were that were brought in to North Ameirca, in the past.

Not that i'm an expert on sativas, but i thought that the version of Chocolate Thai from AKBeanBrains sure grew sativa-like.

In any case, it all comes down to the end product, IMO. I know that some people are more 'purist' than i am about lineages, but as far as i'm concerned, the SilkRoad, SpiceRoad, and IncenseRoad got going good and mixed everything up...doubt that much anything out there is all that pure.

Gang on dude! I like what i am seeing.

I very much appreciate it!
If only everyone was half as transparent as Ace on how they got to the point of end product, i guess thats part of why I'm documenting a lot of what I'm doing now, hopefully i can come up with something i would be proud to release someday.

Its quite difficult trying to find out any reliable information, i didn't know AKBB had a chocolate thai, i haven't really looked a whole lot at their offerings.

I dont necessarily mind some things not being "pure," but what I'm trying to do is create something from the building blocks like was done in days past, before everything got smashed against everything, and have a little more control over the process. Plus i do love sativas, and even in creating my own hybrids, i want to work with sativa males and reversals for the chance pollen ends up where it shouldnt, at least i wont hybridizing everything else with indica genes.
You are right, it is alllll about the end product, and im excited to see what the end product of Old Heirloom chocolate thai male x beastly Ace thai will produce. This male is the most exciting ive had in terms of structure and growth, and by judging the way the female is expressing, i have high hopes of using it many times in the future.

I do have thoughts of combining the offspring with other Thai's, i just got in Lemon Thai along with some Oaxacan seeds last week.

 

[entropical]

@entropical , are you sure about Indigo Diamond being in chocolate thai? I only saw it listed in the Chocolate Trip? Personally, i like the CTrip...maybe even better than the Chocolate Thai's that i've sampled.

But, i suppose if going for a more sativa plant, not having IndigoDiamond in there would be the way to go.

No no just speculating and I could be in the wrong, though it is in his Cocoa Puffs..

 

[Nannymouse]

The Hawaii version...who knows if there was indica in the background of that. It's been so many decades, i doubt that the 'original' breeder of those could be located, now. I have yet to read from an old timer Hawaiian that would possibly know. So...if a Haw. person was breeding the choc thai, did it get eradicated? I don't see anything coming out of the islands that goes by the name or description.

Back in the day, most folks that i 'knew' were not keeping notes, just in case of a bust. Nobody was 'legal'. Background stories are just from memory, and i certainly understand how memory can go. What notes that i had, were lost. Now i have to just go back to the few remaining old sites for refreshing memory, but most of the sites from 2002, well, i cannot find them.

I recall 'thai stick' from back in the 70's that some Navy boys shared with each other. I don't recall THAT being chocolate and it wasn't very potent. My experience is so different that what many from those days remember of the stix. If it did come from Thailand, why would people think that all 'thai stick' would be the same? It would be like thinking that all California weed is the same. Highland, lowland...some have wider leaves, some narrow. Gosh, it could have come from a neighboring country, boats collecting from up and down the rivers/coasts. Maybe even trading stuff along the way.

Yummy sounding future crosses, @Keif Cake !

 

[romanoweed]

yes, there is a guy from hawaii on insta with a thai, he also has "golden voice" , a strain that was speculated to be cambodian in origin.

his thai looks just like very propper and true, more i cant say.
also a two guys with vietnamese lines..

 

[EnjoyingLife]

I very much appreciate it!
If only everyone was half as transparent as Ace on how they got to the point of end product, i guess thats part of why I'm documenting a lot of what I'm doing now, hopefully i can come up with something i would be proud to release someday.

Its quite difficult trying to find out any reliable information, i didn't know AKBB had a chocolate thai, i haven't really looked a whole lot at their offerings.

I dont necessarily mind some things not being "pure," but what I'm trying to do is create something from the building blocks like was done in days past, before everything got smashed against everything, and have a little more control over the process. Plus i do love sativas, and even in creating my own hybrids, i want to work with sativa males and reversals for the chance pollen ends up where it shouldnt, at least i wont hybridizing everything else with indica genes.
You are right, it is alllll about the end product, and im excited to see what the end product of Old Heirloom chocolate thai male x beastly Ace thai will produce. This male is the most exciting ive had in terms of structure and growth, and by judging the way the female is expressing, i have high hopes of using it many times in the future.

I do have thoughts of combining the offspring with other Thai's, i just got in Lemon Thai along with some Oaxacan seeds last week.

Which Oaxacan if you don't mind my asking?

 

[entropical]

I do have thoughts of combining the offspring with other Thai's, i just got in Lemon Thai along with some Oaxacan seeds last week.

I would ask also which Lemon Thai that you got, but would mention also that Zen House Gardens have a Red Thai that have some chocolate phenos but 25+ weeks in flower alone. @Roms could give input as he grew it out and used in his Thaizar.

So how is the Ace Thai coming along, is it still stretching and what scents are you getting from her so far?

 

[Keif Cake]

Which Oaxacan if you don't mind my asking?

I would ask also which Lemon Thai that you got, but would mention also that Zen House Gardens have a Red Thai that have some chocolate phenos but 25+ weeks in flower alone. @Roms could give input as he grew it out and used in his Thaizar.

So how is the Ace Thai coming along, is it still stretching and what scents are you getting from her so far?

Both are from Coastal Seed Co got them from Heritage Seedbank, every so often id do a search for Oaxacan, i remember seeing the oaxacan last year and it was sold out, and after not being able to order from mandala i figured it was time to do another search and see. I was going to just get the Oaxacan, but there was/is a sale where its a combo pack containing both for the same price.

The thai is a strong strong bush, after pinching the tops out a foot away from the light, it grew up into the light a week later, so i supercropped all 4 enough to fit under the light

 

[StickyBandit]

Both are from Coastal Seed Co got them from Heritage Seedbank, every so often id do a search for Oaxacan, i remember seeing the oaxacan last year and it was sold out, and after not being able to order from mandala i figured it was time to do another search and see. I was going to just get the Oaxacan, but there was/is a sale where its a combo pack containing both for the same price.

The thai is a strong strong bush, after pinching the tops out a foot away from the light, it grew up into the light a week later, so i supercropped all 4 enough to fit under the light

 

[Keif Cake]

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Nice discount! I should've waited, but i didn't want to let it slip by again, it doesn't take long for some stuff to sale out around 420.

I was high earlier, still am lol, but it definitely wasnt coastal seed, thats a different order i made for Oaxacan x COLOMBIAN and a pack of Big Sur Holy Weed x COLOMBIAN. Finding the COLOMBIAN pheno in Honduras has me looking at all kinds of Colombian with the intention of Mixing the Honduras with all the fire ones i can find

 

[Keif Cake]

Since i supercropped the tops, i figured id be able to pull it out and snap a new one. This is one lovely beautiful plant that should pair well with this male, both of them have similar structures, node spacing, and branch lengths, but the female really stetches up to sky with all of its branches while still maintaining nice node spacing, i bet this would really grow nice in the black pots I've got.
Ace Thai

Double chocolate male

Double chocolate female starting to stack on some nice resinous buds

The long node long branch one has somewhat gotten whipped into shape by pinching the tips off the lowers.

The 3rd one is super lanky tall, has a short branching, but i dont really like the structure. Both of these other ones i will put some pollen on, but I'm not really worried about keeping a cut of them.

 

[Keif Cake]

With a little abuse, and a lot of amputation, the long branchy and the spindly dainty one that isn't so dainty anymore can be whipped into respectable females.

Serious stretch on these, whats that, like 10x stretch? These 2 were on the chopping block small, and painfully slow in veg, put into flower at like a foot tall, probably 18"


Long internode Branchy one

Spindly