Team Microbe's Living Soil Laboratory

[Kozmo]

Fliipn Kool TM!!!

 

[blackpulpit]

Hello ™ hope all is well and things look like there on there way for you, congrats on the photo in the mag as well. TM how much is 5ml of Agsil in measuring spoon size would you say? I see that you measure yours out in the squeeze bottle. I have the same bottles and would like to know how many measuring spoons and there size makes for 5ml of Agsil ready for use? thanks

 

[Team Microbe]

Thanks all! I thought it was worth sharing

 

[Team Microbe]

Hello ™ hope all is well and things look like there on there way for you, congrats on the photo in the mag as well. TM how much is 5ml of Agsil in measuring spoon size would you say? I see that you measure yours out in the squeeze bottle. I have the same bottles and would like to know how many measuring spoons and there size makes for 5ml of Agsil ready for use? thanks

Thanks man, you can find the ratios for the Agsil16H solution here just scroll down a little bit

 

[GEMiNi GENETiCS]

Yo Gemini what's good man!

I've been gathering supplies lately as well, I'm going to see how many CC Kits I can afford but for the rest of the plants I'll be using Espoma like I have before. I'll be foliar spraying with Neem/Karanja, aloe, and compost tea foliars this year for the first time so I'm hoping that those will bridge the gap between the difference in quality between the two nutrient kits. I'm def using the CC Kit on all of my prized strains though, that's for sure. I just popped my beans yesterday too, I'll be running Cheese Candy, KC 36, Spontanica, Pineapple Chunk, and a lot of the Holy Rhodi this year. I can't fuckin wait bro! What are you running strain wise?


I've got about 600 Holy Rhodi beans (Church x Purple Rhodi) I bred last years outside, and would like to litter a lot them in the wilderness - but I've never ran any true "set & forget" patches before so I'm not sure how that will go.

If you were littering 100 seedlings in the wilderness and couldn't haul supplies in (at least not bales of peat moss and heavy shit) what would you think the best soil mix would be to go with? I was thinking about just digging 5 gal holes and mixing in some Espoma, then top dressing with some compost and dropping cover crops to help aid in the lack of care/water they'll be getting all season. These sites will be up to 2 hours away from me, so visits will be limited to once a month (if that).

Btw I'm lovin your game plan so far bro. Those plants will be praying I bet! The yarrow is an awesome idea as well. I'm using ground cover crops as well, BAS has a 40% clover mix that I like a lot that also has dwarf essex rapes, lentils and a few other varieties in there. I think that's going to really make it hard to see the patches from an ariel perspective with all of that rich green surrounding the plants.. which is making me wonder if I should go with wide open patches of plants rather than single plants scattered. I'm not sure if the cover crop camo is THAT good, but if it is then that would be the way to go I think - big patches of covers with plants scattered in the middle. I've also got like 20-30 comfrey bocking 14 cuttings that I'm not sure what to do with, so I'm thinking about planting a few at each patch to take leaves from to mulch with upon visits. If I learn how to make PFE then I'll be using the comfrey for that as well...

When are you gonna start popping beans?

When does your season start?

Hey TM ... wicked delayed response but I e been busy with the job I pay taxes on lol ... fuckin 65hr weeks

Nice game plan bro ... yup I'm running Espoma as well ... went light on the Coots mix cause my whorganic buddy warned me about the excessive NO3 from the neem/karanja meal in the mix which if too high of concentrations could throw off the soil balance next season .... 1/2 recommended plus espoma mixed w alfalfa pellets and some wicked compost

Nice lists of beans your running buddy ... I'm running a few cuts .... MOB..KKSC..GG#4 as my majority and running 2-3 of some elite clones as testers to see how they will preform from some hazes to OGs ....hash em out if they don't do too well lol

If it were me running set it and forget it .... learned my lesson last year .... prep for slugs .... don't put em all out at the same time .... do ⅓ every 2wks which gives you a couple weeks between to see how the do but also if a bad storm runs through like it did to me you won't lose a bunch.

Yeah buddy ... comfrey is the shit ... my buddy has it growing wild so I'm getting a few crowns from him to plant ... waiting for my nettles to arrive to plant out at the patches .... got a bunch of nettles growing in the home garden from last year ... tasty!

No seeds this year .... prob do a seed run over the winter of a few strains to find some keeper girls to run next season ... but elite cuts only this season ... no time to worry about shit phenos and males

I start putting a few things out staggered starting last weekend of May....up till July 4th

 

[BluesHarp]

Great thread T M.......Subbed

 

[BigBozat]

A Better Reference for Soil Water Dynamics

A Better Reference for Soil Water Dynamics

You're making me more and more interested in this cohesion and adhesion talk everytime you speak of it man - is there anywhere in particular you'd recommend me learning about it more? (Links?) That would make a great post...

TM, fwiw, I think I've run down the best reference I can find for this, for your late night reading enjoyment (zzzzzzzzzz):
http://www.amazon.com/Soil-Water-In...XNC_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429457860&sr=1-1

I still don't know about it making a great post , but it might help tie some things together?

 

[intotheunknown]

NICE, TM!
Congrats!

 

[Macncheese]

Hello TM. I knows this has probably been asked but I can't find. When mixing your soil and after you divid it do you need to add anything to the seedling/veg mix to ajust the ph? I'm assuming you don't need to for the flowering pile because of the nutrient mix. I'm very impress with yor results, great job man!

 

[Team Microbe]

Great thread T M.......Subbed

TM, fwiw, I think I've run down the best reference I can find for this, for your late night reading enjoyment (zzzzzzzzzz):
http://www.amazon.com/Soil-Water-In...XNC_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429457860&sr=1-1

I still don't know about it making a great post , but it might help tie some things together?

NICE, TM!
Congrats!

Thanks fellas

Hello TM. I knows this has probably been asked but I can't find. When mixing your soil and after you divid it do you need to add anything to the seedling/veg mix to ajust the ph? I'm assuming you don't need to for the flowering pile because of the nutrient mix. I'm very impress with yor results, great job man!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6893821&postcount=401

Thanks man, here's the link to the thread on the latest mix I use

 

[Team Microbe]

UPDATE

UPDATE

This month has been hella busy for me, so please forgive the lack of updates folks. I took time out today to tend the garden for 420, and snapped a bunch of pics finally of what's been goin on. I've been working on my outdoor starts lately, so that's been taking a lot of my time too.

I had to choose 10/12 of these to run in the tent. I'll be running (4)Cheese Candy, (2)Silver Lotus #1,(2) Silver Lotus #2, (1)Sicilian Revenge, and (1)Jack Diesel

Silver Lotus #2

Cheese Candy - I've got 4 of these in the tent this run. I grew this 2 summers ago (as an auto) and really loved the smoke/buzz from it. Great summer time smoke. It's like a mountain climb; it lifts you up nice n slow to a clear headed head high... then brings you back down into a long-lasting full body stone that results in an increase in appetite before finally dozing off. I smoke a little bit for the day time and at night I'll increase the doseage for a K.O. if I need to get some sleep

Sicilian Revenge

I started using malted barley instead of sprouting barley seed myself, not only to save time but the malting process traps and preserves enzymes at key times for later use. All I have to do now is grind, bubble, and drench! Compare that to soaking the seeds, rinsing them, putting them back in the jar, rinsing them, putting them back in the jar, grinding them, cleaning up the mess, THEN bubbling before drenching. That shit sucked.

Speaking of bubbling malted barley - does anyone know how long it takes to create Acetic Acid during this process? BAS suggests 12-24 hours but BlueJay and a few others have said only go 4hrs or so. I brought my first brew to 17 hours and haven't seen any signs of it... yet. It's only been 2 days so we'll see...

 

[Team Microbe]

I like to shake excess soil off the root ball to expose more surface area to the juicy new medium

Silver Lotus #2 was topped before taken as a cutting off of the mother plant. I love this method - I feel like it saves some time in veg since I don't have to wait for the plant to come back after being stressed, because it already went through that stage.

I threw down BAS's 40% clover cover crop for the test plant since the clover and fenugreek was still in the mail. It's poppin through! I love this part.

Up and rollin... let the show begin!

I'll be running 10 of these 25's under two 600 watt Hortilux Super HPS air cooled hoods... it does the job I suppose. I wish I had higher ceilings sometimes, I'm limited to 8' in this bedroom. Wait what am I complaining about? There are people in other countries that don't even have electricity lol

 

[Mr.Miner]

^ Awesome TM! Looking fantastic...Happy Spring to you!

 

[The English Cut]

Nice idea to top the clone before it's been cut from the mother, I like that a lot. This year I've had a few clones kind of fork themselves (ooh er missus) after they've rooted, not at a node but just like a fork in the stem below the first node on the clone. Tried to get a pic but honestly my camera is useless, sorry. Anyway, saves me the bother topping them and saves the plant some stress too, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was the stress of cutting and rooting that caused it in the first place.

 

[GHGrower]

Speaking of bubbling malted barley - does anyone know how long it takes to create Acetic Acid during this process? BAS suggests 12-24 hours but BlueJay and a few others have said only go 4hrs or so. I brought my first brew to 17 hours and haven't seen any signs of it... yet. It's only been 2 days so we'll see...

Hey TM. I'm amazed at the progress you're making. If you want to get hardcore enzymatic in the future, purchase six-row malt. It is bred, selected and processed to maximize diastatic properties of the malt. Also it's cheap.

Acetic fermentation first requires ethanol (It is an ethanoic acid, after all); the ethanol (produced by saccharomyces processing simple sugars) becomes acetic acid through an oxidative process utilized by acetobacter. The process of conversion depends on how rapidly the saccharides are converted to alcohol, and how much air is available. An amount of easily fermented simple sugars (like apple juice) should catalyze the process.

 

[Bmac1]

Doing great things in here. Plants look very happy.

 

[Team Microbe]

Hey TM. I'm amazed at the progress you're making. If you want to get hardcore enzymatic in the future, purchase six-row malt. It is bred, selected and processed to maximize diastatic properties of the malt. Also it's cheap.

Acetic fermentation first requires ethanol (It is an ethanoic acid, after all); the ethanol (produced by saccharomyces processing simple sugars) becomes acetic acid through an oxidative process utilized by acetobacter. The process of conversion depends on how rapidly the saccharides are converted to alcohol, and how much air is available. An amount of easily fermented simple sugars (like apple juice) should catalyze the process.

Thanks man, appreciate it! Great info as well, so would this mean that the more oxygen available, the more amount of time it would take for the conversion to take place? Or the opposite?

 

[GHGrower]

Thanks man, appreciate it! Great info as well, so would this mean that the more oxygen available, the more amount of time it would take for the conversion to take place? Or the opposite?

Oxygen is required for the ethanol to convert, but I don't know whether production time is affected in relation to the amount of air introduced. Experiment and report your findings? Acetic acid has an unforgettable smell; if you have a good nose, it's easy to pick out.

Anecdotally, when I draw wild fermented cider from my fermentation chamber and leave it exposed to the ambient air, the acetobacter will completely convert the ethanol in the cider to vinegar within the span of an hour. Until there is oxygen, it tastes like normal cider.

Were it me, I'd start checking samples after 4 hours. If it takes on a diaper/sweaty/sour cheese smell, you have a lactic fermentation happening, which isn't what you want..

 

[GHGrower]

Thanks man, appreciate it! Great info as well, so would this mean that the more oxygen available, the more amount of time it would take for the conversion to take place? Or the opposite?

Oxygen is required for the ethanol to convert, but I don't know whether production time is affected in relation to the amount of air introduced. Experiment and report your findings? Acetic acid has an unforgettable smell; if you have a good nose, it's easy to pick out.

Anecdotally, when I draw wild fermented cider from my fermentation chamber and leave it exposed to the ambient air, the acetobacter will completely convert the ethanol in the cider to vinegar within the span of an hour. Until there is oxygen, it tastes like normal cider.

Were it me, I'd start checking samples after 4 hours. If it takes on a diaper/sweaty/sour cheese smell, you have a lactic fermentation happening, which isn't what you want..

 

[Team Microbe]

Well it's been a few days now, and the plants/cover crops aren't slowing down so thank God I didn't take mine long enough to create A. Acid! That would've been a real bummer... taking/prepping clones, filling and mixing a yard of new soil, just to have the barley tea come in a fuck everything up the ass. I would've been devastated to say the least!

Now I will take the brew to 6-8 hours max I think. Last time I took it to 17 hours. Coot reported a loss of his entire garden after 48 hours of brewing, so I think 12 hours or less should be just fine. Blue Jay and others say 4 hours, but if I got away with it after 17 hours then 12 ain't no thang IMO