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PriznnPlanet
Member
I run a recirculating top feed rockwool system. Would i beneifit using a tea in this system? I've read quite a bit on this and haven't come across any mention yet. I have never done a soil grow indoors. I was wondering if i made the change what type of bagged soil to use?
PriznnPlanet
Member
Anybody?
I would avoid using anything high in organic matter like compost tea or guano tea etc... Rockwool can go pretty funky. Recirculating systems and organic "teas" just sounds like trouble IMO.
I would look into botanical extracts and foliar delivery if you want to fit some organic methods in a rockwool system.
As far as the bagged soil question, making a new thread or asking in Organics for Beginners would get you better answers.
gl,
shrimp
This would need to be done very carefully, correctly using your resevoir as a bioreactor. It is not a question that can be just answered in simple format.
PriznnPlanet
Member
Same for coco? I only do a few runs a year, maybe i should wait until after summer. When i have more time to deal with any issues. Thanks for the response.
eastcoastjoe
Well-known member
What amount do you guys use to topdress guanos ? Tbs per gal??
Also can u use the teas all through flower, or should the last 3 weeks be pure water?
Thanks guys
ive been using teas all the way through for a long time now and i dont see any difference from stopping a few weeks prior to harvest. this has been debated before im sure but its just my experience. im a believer of HAPPY PLANTS = GOOD SMOKE
teas in hydro? good stuff. lotsa bennies!
https://hal.inria.fr/file/index/docid/930473/filename/hal-00930473.pdf
excessive bioslime will tell you if overdoing it. i'm aware of no phytotoxicity to plants from excessive amounts of tea in hydro so have fun! does seem to increase ph though so watch that. just remember, live or sterile, never the 2 shall meet.
a drop from my rez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frXYMd-JUfA&feature=youtu.be
https://hal.inria.fr/file/index/docid/930473/filename/hal-00930473.pdf
excessive bioslime will tell you if overdoing it. i'm aware of no phytotoxicity to plants from excessive amounts of tea in hydro so have fun! does seem to increase ph though so watch that. just remember, live or sterile, never the 2 shall meet.
a drop from my rez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frXYMd-JUfA&feature=youtu.be
hoss1111
Member
Cool I was hoping to do the same. Thank
What quantity is everyone using with topdressing guanos ?
HorseMouth
Active member
I've been running Compost Tea's for a few years, both in Veg and Bloom, both indoor and Outdoor. And I use straight water for the last three waterings before harvest.
Also, I think you should use a mycorrizae mix/powder or something like VAM when transplanting plants. This is usually a powder you can mix into the soil, that is activated by the tea and helps the process greatly.
Peace
Also, I think you should use a mycorrizae mix/powder or something like VAM when transplanting plants. This is usually a powder you can mix into the soil, that is activated by the tea and helps the process greatly.
Peace
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Inspired333
Thanks for sharing a vid. Good to see these setups working and how people design.
On design:
-Any diffusers in there or is it just (1/4"?) tubing hanging down into the riser pipes?
-What size PVC? (schd 40?)
-Maybe you could tell us how you fiddled around and got the right height for the air to go in/input?
-Glued or just press fit?
Nice build
Thanks
Had an old local gardener tell me that the "Madrone Duff," the layer under the leaf litter under a Madrone tree in the forest, was a really good addition to garden soil.
The "Duff," regularly has some sort of white fungus on it. Similiar to what you might find under a decomposing log in the forest.
Curious if the "duff," would be beneficial to add as a compost input for AACT?
I am assuming that it might help to add diversity, and possibly some sort of native fungus or bacteria that thrives in this environment, but I was hoping to get an experts opinion on the matter.
Thanks,
Mr^^
The "Duff," regularly has some sort of white fungus on it. Similiar to what you might find under a decomposing log in the forest.
Curious if the "duff," would be beneficial to add as a compost input for AACT?
I am assuming that it might help to add diversity, and possibly some sort of native fungus or bacteria that thrives in this environment, but I was hoping to get an experts opinion on the matter.
Thanks,
Mr^^
Fungus in the Madrone duff is true. I don't know if it's beneficial for cannabis. Probably is. Madrone grows in small microclimates all over the Southwest, and down to Guatamala. One of the most beautiful trees of all, if you can find them. Seem to like some altitude. I've seen them at about 1500-2000 ft, and saw a large stand in desert on steep slopes at 3-5000 ft along with Pi~on Pines, etc. Want very good drainage, and can't stand humidity. -granger
Whammy Bar
New member
Hey all, first post, been lurking for a while but after reading this whole thread(whew!) I decided to sign up and hang out for a while. This may be the most informative thread I've ever read- thanks MM, CT, and everyone else for sharing the knowledge.
My first attempts at "compost tea" was about four years ago. I was following the Rev's recipes, pretty much throwing in everything under the sun. After a few attempts with neutral or negative results, i decided to crawl back to my bottles. After reading the first ten or so pages of this thread I decided to give it another try. I bubbled my tea for 30 hours and then split it into multiple buckets, diluting it about 4 to 1. About a third of the way through watering the garden, my water pump clogged up - I didn't have a strainer so i tried to keep most of the chunkies out of the water when i transferred it from the brewing bucket. I strained the rest of the diluted tea through a t-shirt after i cleaned out the pump( hadn't got to the part when MM talked about 400 microns yet) and kept watering.
The next day, all plants responded positively, but the section that got the unfiltered tea looked AMAZING. I went to my local hydro store looking for an extraction/straining bag. I bought a bag made by Vermicrop Organics, 15 bucks. I didnt ask for specifics about the micron size, i figured it was designed for doing exactly what i needed. I just did some research and found out its a 200 micron bag! Why would they sell an extraction bag that would trap all the goodies? Should I bring it back? I feel like I'd be better off running my tea "free-ball" and filtering it with a window screen.
My first attempts at "compost tea" was about four years ago. I was following the Rev's recipes, pretty much throwing in everything under the sun. After a few attempts with neutral or negative results, i decided to crawl back to my bottles. After reading the first ten or so pages of this thread I decided to give it another try. I bubbled my tea for 30 hours and then split it into multiple buckets, diluting it about 4 to 1. About a third of the way through watering the garden, my water pump clogged up - I didn't have a strainer so i tried to keep most of the chunkies out of the water when i transferred it from the brewing bucket. I strained the rest of the diluted tea through a t-shirt after i cleaned out the pump( hadn't got to the part when MM talked about 400 microns yet) and kept watering.
The next day, all plants responded positively, but the section that got the unfiltered tea looked AMAZING. I went to my local hydro store looking for an extraction/straining bag. I bought a bag made by Vermicrop Organics, 15 bucks. I didnt ask for specifics about the micron size, i figured it was designed for doing exactly what i needed. I just did some research and found out its a 200 micron bag! Why would they sell an extraction bag that would trap all the goodies? Should I bring it back? I feel like I'd be better off running my tea "free-ball" and filtering it with a window screen.
anferneybra
Member
So after years of exploring teas and seeing many different methods, I am now finding Elaine is saying NO to molasses?
MM - what do you think of this new opinion?
She is saying to use kelp meal, lots of rich compost, and add fish hydrosylate if you want N boost or more fungi.
I am going to run some trials comparing her recipes in the coming weeks to see how the teas compare.
I get great brews around 60 degrees for 48 hours, lots of hyphae and if it goes longer plenty of bacteria. The obvious quality level of EWC determines the quality of the tea, but cutting molasses and using kelp meal and hydrosylate as the only food stock seems very different.
MM - what do you think of this new opinion?
She is saying to use kelp meal, lots of rich compost, and add fish hydrosylate if you want N boost or more fungi.
I am going to run some trials comparing her recipes in the coming weeks to see how the teas compare.
I get great brews around 60 degrees for 48 hours, lots of hyphae and if it goes longer plenty of bacteria. The obvious quality level of EWC determines the quality of the tea, but cutting molasses and using kelp meal and hydrosylate as the only food stock seems very different.
CACTUSFLOWER
Member
I'm missing something
I'm missing something
if you pureed some roots and added it to the tea, could you possibly grow endomycorrhizal spores or would the chemistry be off? Is there another way that endomycorrhizae could be propagated in a tea? Would a tea like this be of any use if you did grow endomycorrhizae?
I'm missing something
if you pureed some roots and added it to the tea, could you possibly grow endomycorrhizal spores or would the chemistry be off? Is there another way that endomycorrhizae could be propagated in a tea? Would a tea like this be of any use if you did grow endomycorrhizae?
Elaine saying no to molasses is not new. This was in response to a couple of studies done several years ago with obvious flaws which stated molasses increases e-coli growth. The biggest flaw was that the CT was inoculated with e-coli. Molasses is, of course, going to feed it, as well as many other types of microbes.
You can likely find an old post by me conncerning this.
I take it you are using a microscope to examine your CT?
I was saying that fish hydrolysate feeds both bacteria and fungi years ago. I don't know whether Elaine has started realizing that molasses feeds bacteria/archaea and fungi equally well yet.
There is a lot of variance in quality of kelp products on the market. I use only plain dried powdered kelp.
