Smoked some tangie from a friend and to me this seeds comes clearly from soma's nycd tangerine cut... the smoke told it to me, usually is more trustable than peoples words....
I thought Tangie was a Calif Orange X Skunk #1? I was the first to make a sell those seeds, others may have also? I did it in the late 70's early 80's and sold a bunch of them, thousands and thousands and still have the original parents of both.
Someone very recently gave me a little of what they called 'Tanji', and it reeked of California Orange, looked like it, and toked like it as I remember it, and I have had close association with Cali'O going back maybe 30 years, because I have always been a fan of citrus, whether it be the fruit or the 'erb.
More than likely it is just another of the very many cases where something we know and love under one name, is changed to another by some grower/breeder/seed company/ astronaut.....Makes me wonder why they don't call it just what it is 'California Orange'?....I suppose calling it 'Tanji', and making out like it's something completely new is a standard marketing ploy amongst many seed sellers these days.
So....I deeply suspect that 'Tanji' is just a California Orange, or very closely associated with it.
There seems to be alot of re-badging of old varieties, without any kudos being given to the original grower/breeder, and hardly a mention of what variety/cultivar were it's origins. I have seen that going on for years now.
Gypsy, I was that guy that when we met in batavia, I had the pleasure to handle you out with some arancia, first day of the cup.
that was not california orange, but surely a relative. a work of mine.
her lineage is agent orange from tga, special cup winner, crossed with agent orange special male, that gave birth to many seedslines by different breeders and even made start some seedcompanies out of him.
the f2 took 2 years of selection to find a proper female/male combo to go into a f3 line all bx again to the last male pollen I had.
now testing a few nice males from the bx to be poured again to the cup winner. my breeding goal was to match the sweet powerful orange lollipop smell with the taste and proper uplifting potency. and believe me it is not that easy with the polihibrid like agent orange.
probably the original calio was like this, but i never had the plesure to try it in original form. i work with seeds, not clones.some people told calio was light in potency, with agent orange subcool tried to fix this with the outcrossing to jtr male.
about all the orange, tangie, tanjie or tanji craze that is happening now... really curious and weird...
and crokett and dna story too.
this is a proper example of rebadging and businness tactic.
i remember around early 2013 when i shared so many seeds after the first success in amsterdam with my cuts of agent orange.
trasparent as glass, no secrets genetics.
in europe a lot of people remembered the orange tastes from the 90s, but these genetics were lost or really difficult to find in old continent in late 2000s
when I first met subcool 2 years earlier, he was proud to hear my nycd projects and gave me some testers of what he considered the best orange legacy...
then after 6 months of spreading these crosses to friends, I see during a hash dinner in 2013 the winner as dna tangie... Sam you were there too.
i had some agent orange hash from my 2 previous years experiments and the dna winner, side by side, seemed only a diluited version of mine. puzzeled i went on doing my crosses...
now the orange craze is all over. some seed companies started after one or two male flowers' pollen I sent by mail.
i have deep knowledge of different forms and phenos of her.
sweet , bitter, funky orange, tangerine, pomelo, mapo, are all in there. the transition smell to taste is the most difficult.
i am sure about what i am talking beacuse i also did a side by side experiment last year.
agent orange f1, f2 and arancia, side by side to crokett tangie regular, some nyco, some satsuma (bodhi calio x snowlotus) and some chimera c+ (calio x blueberry).
the results? crokett is a diluited, poor, extremely unstable in phenos version of orange mix. the smell is there, but not potency, not fat buds, extremely picky in nutes and easy to ruin without proper care.
agent orange stood out always, and expecially in her refined version of arancia.
dont know if the melvin clone that subcool says it is the mother of ao, is a calio cut or a calio skunk.
it can be that all these originated from Sam's initial batch.
if so many many thanks! this is a real story about genes that survive the time and generations with the care of the people.
that plant is so special and unique, tnx for having preserved, saved and passed it to us nowadays.
when we go back talking about people, not plants,
some are more greedy than others and have different money, power and businness strategies and objectives.
i like to continue the orange thread in time, make it available to everyone.
i dont care if someone capitalized on this, not jealous, but honored to be part of the chain and honored to have helped the connection.
it is just fair to remember who gave you the first seeds and not buliding up funny stories or myth about it should be more than enough...
and btw, nycd and Calio or relatives are not linked in anyway...
citrous is one the most amazing terpene combination and can be very different one to another, but they re different. i assure.
original nycd is a recessive clone brought by soma in europe, renamed and made into a myth.
it was lost and there is no any s1 or whatever which can be the same.
that was special, and is very difficult to replicate in seed form.
but something close is what we have today, and it is different from ao. side by side you would notice.
a cross of them like nyco can be interesting, because you find different phenos and mixes of the two.
hope this helps
Dr.P
Gypsy, I was that guy that when we met in batavia, I had the pleasure to handle you out with some arancia, first day of the cup.
that was not california orange, but surely a relative. a work of mine.
her lineage is agent orange from tga, special cup winner, crossed with agent orange special male, that gave birth to many seedslines by different breeders and even made start some seedcompanies out of him.
the f2 took 2 years of selection to find a proper female/male combo to go into a f3 line all bx again to the last male pollen I had.
now testing a few nice males from the bx to be poured again to the cup winner. my breeding goal was to match the sweet powerful orange lollipop smell with the taste and proper uplifting potency. and believe me it is not that easy with the polihibrid like agent orange.
probably the original calio was like this, but i never had the plesure to try it in original form. i work with seeds, not clones.some people told calio was light in potency, with agent orange subcool tried to fix this with the outcrossing to jtr male.
about all the orange, tangie, tanjie or tanji craze that is happening now... really curious and weird...
and crokett and dna story too.
this is a proper example of rebadging and businness tactic.
i remember around early 2013 when i shared so many seeds after the first success in amsterdam with my cuts of agent orange.
trasparent as glass, no secrets genetics.
in europe a lot of people remembered the orange tastes from the 90s, but these genetics were lost or really difficult to find in old continent in late 2000s
when I first met subcool 2 years earlier, he was proud to hear my nycd projects and gave me some testers of what he considered the best orange legacy...
then after 6 months of spreading these crosses to friends, I see during a hash dinner in 2013 the winner as dna tangie... Sam you were there too.
i had some agent orange hash from my 2 previous years experiments and the dna winner, side by side, seemed only a diluited version of mine. puzzeled i went on doing my crosses...
now the orange craze is all over. some seed companies started after one or two male flowers' pollen I sent by mail.
i have deep knowledge of different forms and phenos of her.
sweet , bitter, funky orange, tangerine, pomelo, mapo, are all in there. the transition smell to taste is the most difficult.
i am sure about what i am talking beacuse i also did a side by side experiment last year.
agent orange f1, f2 and arancia, side by side to crokett tangie regular, some nyco, some satsuma (bodhi calio x snowlotus) and some chimera c+ (calio x blueberry).
the results? crokett is a diluited, poor, extremely unstable in phenos version of orange mix. the smell is there, but not potency, not fat buds, extremely picky in nutes and easy to ruin without proper care.
agent orange stood out always, and expecially in her refined version of arancia.
dont know if the melvin clone that subcool says it is the mother of ao, is a calio cut or a calio skunk.
it can be that all these originated from Sam's initial batch.
if so many many thanks! this is a real story about genes that survive the time and generations with the care of the people.
that plant is so special and unique, tnx for having preserved, saved and passed it to us nowadays.
when we go back talking about people, not plants,
some are more greedy than others and have different money, power and businness strategies and objectives.
i like to continue the orange thread in time, make it available to everyone.
i dont care if someone capitalized on this, not jealous, but honored to be part of the chain and honored to have helped the connection.
it is just fair to remember who gave you the first seeds and not buliding up funny stories or myth about it should be more than enough...
and btw, nycd and Calio or relatives are not linked in anyway...
citrous is one the most amazing terpene combination and can be very different one to another, but they re different. i assure.
original nycd is a recessive clone brought by soma in europe, renamed and made into a myth.
it was lost and there is no any s1 or whatever which can be the same.
that was special, and is very difficult to replicate in seed form.
but something close is what we have today, and it is different from ao. side by side you would notice.
a cross of them like nyco can be interesting, because you find different phenos and mixes of the two.
hope this helps
Dr.P
oh dear!,,
Naughty,,naughty DNA!,,,,
positives for me is that my old nose appears on good working order and the confusion i have over the accurate aroma of my tangies is explained by Dr P,,,
Oops i should have said " my cali-o that are now called Tangie" lol,lol,,,,,
i wonder if D or A from dna or any staff read this?
peace and regards s2