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TANGIE: Crocketts Cut or DNA
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rockymountainJ
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I thought Tangie was a Calif Orange X Skunk #1? I was the first to make and sell those seeds, others may have also? I did it in the late 70's early 80's and sold a bunch of them, thousands and thousands and still have the original parents of both. Many people told me it had a citrus smell and taste. I do not know the truth of what others say, Crockett has said it was a Cali Orange X Skunk #1 that he made? Maybe but I never sold so many pure Cali orange seeds, I sold well over 100,000+ Cali Orange X Skunk #1, I suspect Crockett just used one of my seeds, but I do not know for sure. I do love a good Tanji the smell is loud!!
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Yes Sam, I agree, more than likely 'Tanji' is a California Orange, possibly even the Skunk cross....
Someone very recently gave me a little of what they called 'Tanji', and it reeked of California Orange, looked like it, and toked like it as I remember it, and I have had close association with Cali'O going back maybe 30 years, because I have always been a fan of citrus, whether it be the fruit or the 'erb.
More than likely it is just another of the very many cases where something we know and love under one name, is changed to another by some grower/breeder/seed company/ astronaut.....Makes me wonder why they don't call it just what it is 'California Orange'?....I suppose calling it 'Tanji', and making out like it's something completely new is a standard marketing ploy amongst many seed sellers these days.
So....I deeply suspect that 'Tanji' is just a California Orange, or very closely associated with it.
There seems to be alot of re-badging of old varieties, without any kudos being given to the original grower/breeder, and hardly a mention of what variety/cultivar were it's origins. I have seen that going on for years now.
Someone very recently gave me a little of what they called 'Tanji', and it reeked of California Orange, looked like it, and toked like it as I remember it, and I have had close association with Cali'O going back maybe 30 years, because I have always been a fan of citrus, whether it be the fruit or the 'erb.
More than likely it is just another of the very many cases where something we know and love under one name, is changed to another by some grower/breeder/seed company/ astronaut.....Makes me wonder why they don't call it just what it is 'California Orange'?....I suppose calling it 'Tanji', and making out like it's something completely new is a standard marketing ploy amongst many seed sellers these days.
So....I deeply suspect that 'Tanji' is just a California Orange, or very closely associated with it.
There seems to be alot of re-badging of old varieties, without any kudos being given to the original grower/breeder, and hardly a mention of what variety/cultivar were it's origins. I have seen that going on for years now.
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Hi, What's the lineage of the Cali Orange?
As far as I remember both Tangie and Agent Orange are derived works from the Aeric77 Cali-O clone. It's been said a few times around the boards. Even the breeders mentioned in the past (both Crockett and TGA) that the strain had old orange skunks at the lineage. But of course no one wants to admit they just used a common and renowned Cali strain or cut. This is where all this citrus tang comes from. Bodhi and other breeders use this same cut too but they are honest and professional enough to show the true lineage of their strains. Something that should be mandatory like in any other plant or animal breeding scene.
Soma's NYCD carries similar terpenes and expressions. His Tangerine NYCD clone is still pretty widespread all over Holland and Spain, as far as I remember it replaced his NYCD Red Grapefruit clone, lost during a raid in NL. Amazing selections and breeding works have been done from those in Spain, as Soma was travelling a lot and often sharing cuts with people here, some of the derived hybrids even have interesting 1:1 CBD/THC chemotypes. Most will piss any hyped Tangie or Agent cut in my opinion (I'm yet to find an Agent Orange that is not bland besides the frosty bag appeal and interesting terpenes, like most TGA strains), it's all marketing from the damn Cups and commercial seedbanks.
It's always the same old story. We love to put breeders and strains in a pedestal but most of the times, everything is much simpler and boring than what most people expects. Gotta love pothead folklore though lol!
Peace.
Smoked some cali-o from different sources back in the days and this dna's tangie from a friends selection is not similar to this plants ,and a lot to what can pop in a somas nycd mix like ice cool, i've seen also pictures of other phenos that ive not smoked that looked a lot like cannabiogens pck which have a tangy flavour too...so this may be the mix of what dna are selling as tangie.... but as with most of the seeds who really knows what's in the mix, most of the seeds are made up stories and false pedigrees... just my 2 cents
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Is tangie and tangerine the same thing ? I got some tangerine from socal early last year and it's one of the best tasting bud I've had ..it smelled like the actual fruit the high was really mellow but the flavor and smell is what made it so good
The buds weren't to dense but the were kinda big ..if this was they tangie I had I can see why people like it its not better than some og to me but its unique
The buds weren't to dense but the were kinda big ..if this was they tangie I had I can see why people like it its not better than some og to me but its unique
Gypsy, I was that guy that when we met in batavia, I had the pleasure to handle you out with some arancia, first day of the cup.
that was not california orange, but surely a relative. a work of mine.
her lineage is agent orange from tga, special cup winner, crossed with agent orange special male, that gave birth to many seedslines by different breeders and even made start some seedcompanies out of him.
the f2 took 2 years of selection to find a proper female/male combo to go into a f3 line all bx again to the last male pollen I had.
now testing a few nice males from the bx to be poured again to the cup winner. my breeding goal was to match the sweet powerful orange lollipop smell with the taste and proper uplifting potency. and believe me it is not that easy with the polihibrid like agent orange.
probably the original calio was like this, but i never had the plesure to try it in original form. i work with seeds, not clones.some people told calio was light in potency, with agent orange subcool tried to fix this with the outcrossing to jtr male.
about all the orange, tangie, tanjie or tanji craze that is happening now... really curious and weird...
and crokett and dna story too.
this is a proper example of rebadging and businness tactic.
i remember around early 2013 when i shared so many seeds after the first success in amsterdam with my cuts of agent orange.
trasparent as glass, no secrets genetics.
in europe a lot of people remembered the orange tastes from the 90s, but these genetics were lost or really difficult to find in old continent in late 2000s
when I first met subcool 2 years earlier, he was proud to hear my nycd projects and gave me some testers of what he considered the best orange legacy...
then after 6 months of spreading these crosses to friends, I see during a hash dinner in 2013 the winner as dna tangie... Sam you were there too.
i had some agent orange hash from my 2 previous years experiments and the dna winner, side by side, seemed only a diluited version of mine. puzzeled i went on doing my crosses...
now the orange craze is all over. some seed companies started after one or two male flowers' pollen I sent by mail.
i have deep knowledge of different forms and phenos of her.
sweet , bitter, funky orange, tangerine, pomelo, mapo, are all in there. the transition smell to taste is the most difficult.
i am sure about what i am talking beacuse i also did a side by side experiment last year.
agent orange f1, f2 and arancia, side by side to crokett tangie regular, some nyco, some satsuma (bodhi calio x snowlotus) and some chimera c+ (calio x blueberry).
the results? crokett is a diluited, poor, extremely unstable in phenos version of orange mix. the smell is there, but not potency, not fat buds, extremely picky in nutes and easy to ruin without proper care.
agent orange stood out always, and expecially in her refined version of arancia.
dont know if the melvin clone that subcool says it is the mother of ao, is a calio cut or a calio skunk.
it can be that all these originated from Sam's initial batch.
if so many many thanks! this is a real story about genes that survive the time and generations with the care of the people.
that plant is so special and unique, tnx for having preserved, saved and passed it to us nowadays.
when we go back talking about people, not plants,
some are more greedy than others and have different money, power and businness strategies and objectives.
i like to continue the orange thread in time, make it available to everyone.
i dont care if someone capitalized on this, not jealous, but honored to be part of the chain and honored to have helped the connection.
it is just fair to remember who gave you the first seeds and not buliding up funny stories or myth about it should be more than enough...
and btw, nycd and Calio or relatives are not linked in anyway...
citrous is one the most amazing terpene combination and can be very different one to another, but they re different. i assure.
original nycd is a recessive clone brought by soma in europe, renamed and made into a myth.
it was lost and there is no any s1 or whatever which can be the same.
that was special, and is very difficult to replicate in seed form.
but something close is what we have today, and it is different from ao. side by side you would notice.
a cross of them like nyco can be interesting, because you find different phenos and mixes of the two.
hope this helps
Dr.P
rockymountainJ
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Thats crazy info!! The dr!!! Guess I was looking in the wrong place for a orange plant.... hmmmm
just do yourselves a favour and swerve tangerine dream from Barney farm , its definitely not what your looking for.
i think the nycd tangerine is one of the best tasting and strongest orangey flavours, i think the Spanish call it mandarin too .. best ive smoked anyway.
peace
CG
i think the nycd tangerine is one of the best tasting and strongest orangey flavours, i think the Spanish call it mandarin too .. best ive smoked anyway.
peace
CG
jahshaka
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Ok this just opened a can of worms....
Dr penthotal what would be your advice to an aspiring citrus terp hunter like me where should i begin my search...
your beans sound a good a place as any, but i dont know if they are availiable anywhere?
Thanks for your info Dr. Penthotal... it seems that people are refusing to believe even when they have the truth in front of their eyes. They resist to discard all those legendary made up stories from their favourite breeders.
From what I've been told, Soma's Red Grapefruit NYCD cut used to be all around A'Dam. He lost it during a raid so he had to re-select another one. This became the renowned Mandarine NYCD cut.
This one, plus Buddha's Sister and Lavender are still around Spain. He brought those a few times and gifted them to a few growers. Seedbanks have been knowking them off for years. Even seedbanks like Reggae Seeds based their whole stock on those genetics from Soma and the citrus strains once they've found out they were passing CBD into the offspring.
Let the hype continue... lol. Always loved citrus terpenes though. Lemon Thai and Mextiza have that citrus character I'm looking for plus the clean high that most of this commercial orange skunks lack.
Peace.
From what I've been told, Soma's Red Grapefruit NYCD cut used to be all around A'Dam. He lost it during a raid so he had to re-select another one. This became the renowned Mandarine NYCD cut.
This one, plus Buddha's Sister and Lavender are still around Spain. He brought those a few times and gifted them to a few growers. Seedbanks have been knowking them off for years. Even seedbanks like Reggae Seeds based their whole stock on those genetics from Soma and the citrus strains once they've found out they were passing CBD into the offspring.
Let the hype continue... lol. Always loved citrus terpenes though. Lemon Thai and Mextiza have that citrus character I'm looking for plus the clean high that most of this commercial orange skunks lack.
Peace.
Oh yes Dr P, I remember your kind offering at the cup, and it was very good, regardless of it's origins, you did a fine job in producing it.
Thank You.
Thank You.
oh dear!,,
Naughty,,naughty DNA!,,,,
positives for me is that my old nose appears on good working order and the confusion i have over the accurate aroma of my tangies is explained by Dr P,,,
Oops i should have said " my Agent orange or Cali O that are now called Tangie"
lol,lol,,,,,
i wonder if D or A from dna or any staff read this?
peace and regards s2
Naughty,,naughty DNA!,,,,
positives for me is that my old nose appears on good working order and the confusion i have over the accurate aroma of my tangies is explained by Dr P,,,
Oops i should have said " my Agent orange or Cali O that are now called Tangie"
lol,lol,,,,,i wonder if D or A from dna or any staff read this?
peace and regards s2
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rockymountainJ
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oh dear!,,
Naughty,,naughty DNA!,,,,
positives for me is that my old nose appears on good working order and the confusion i have over the accurate aroma of my tangies is explained by Dr P,,,
Oops i should have said " my cali-o that are now called Tangie"
i wonder if D or A from dna or any staff read this?
peace and regards s2
Lol so yours have really been calio s2..... mine are sour calio would be interesting if anyone from crocketts or dna would chime in here.
