TANGIE: Crocketts Cut or DNA

[GSTMI]

wrong, crockett had nothing to do with DNA and the seeds at that time. don't know as of now, but then, no.

DNA crew got to select cuts directly from crockett for seed production. What DNA did with the cut is there own agenda nothing to do with cff at that time (as well as any of those strains released during that time)

however (from my observation) crockett would use DNA later to start his own line distributed under DNA seeds distribution. (as this is a fact of what he does now)

but was it intentional idk officially. However, the info i received via DM with him verified my (not real crockett genetics) when we discussed how DNA was representing the strains being released at that time. Sorry for the 'quick post' on the last page, this was supposed to be a quote originally.

 

[jedi5891]

Ive got three sour tangie cross's on the go at the moment, strawberry sour diesel x star dawg x sour tangie, psychosis x sour tangie and king Casey x sour tangie. The SSD x and king Casey x have great structure and vigour and look like they'll give a decent yield.
Heard good things about the sour tang so looking forward to seeing how these turn out.
Anyone have any experience with these?
Peace

 

[Californee]

So which weed stock is better?

 

[Jellyfish]

Haven't tried the DNA version, but I sure do love Crockett's Tangie!!!

 

[Californee]

Haven't tried the DNA version, but I sure do love Crockett's Tangie!!!

Thank you

 

[Bro.]

Hi,

I thought Tangie was a Calif Orange X Skunk #1? I was the first to make and sell those seeds, others may have also? I did it in the late 70's early 80's and sold a bunch of them, thousands and thousands and still have the original parents of both. Many people told me it had a citrus smell and taste. I do not know the truth of what others say, Crockett has said it was a Cali Orange X Skunk #1 that he made? Maybe but I never sold so many pure Cali orange seeds, I sold well over 100,000+ Cali Orange X Skunk #1, I suspect Crockett just used one of my seeds, but I do not know for sure. I do love a good Tanji the smell is loud!!
-SamS

So nobody really know the lineage of Tangie?

Here is the 2 hypothesis I read here :

1/ Croquett's family Tangie = Orange Velvet x Candy Jack

Buckowens,
Let me be the first of this thread to clear up the linage of this strain.


"The next day, Crockett takes me to his own house further down the valley at a 1,000-foot elevation. In his outdoor garden, he is growing his current pride and joy, the citrus-scented Tanj. He urges me to rub the buds and then sniff my fingers. “Smells like oranges,” he says with understated pride. This particular variety is a perfect example of Crockett’s “diamond in the rough” strategy. Initially growing out 200 Orange Velvet seeds from the Pacific Northwest, he selected 50 females and crossbred them with Candy Jack, winnowing the offspring down to five; then, after two years of narrowing them down even further, his crew came up with a plant that yields three to five pounds. Crockett has big plans for this one: He’ll start growing an indoor batch for his next harvest and also intends to enter a wax in next year’s HIGH TIMES Medical Cannabis Cup in LA, alongside a Blackberry and an as-yet-unnamed Purple OG strain."
Article by Justin Hampton


http://www.hightimes.com/read/sensi-sierras-0

2/ Croquett's Family Farm Tangie is a" diluted, poor, extremely unstable in phenos version of orange mix that initially come from Californian Orange x Skunk #1, may be samskunkman seeds..

Hi, What's the lineage of the Cali Orange?

As far as I remember both Tangie and Agent Orange are derived works from the Aeric77 Cali-O clone. It's been said a few times around the boards. Even the breeders mentioned in the past (both Crockett and TGA) that the strain had old orange skunks at the lineage. But of course no one wants to admit they just used a common and renowned Cali strain or cut. This is where all this citrus tang comes from. Bodhi and other breeders use this same cut too but they are honest and professional enough to show the true lineage of their strains. Something that should be mandatory like in any other plant or animal breeding scene.

Soma's NYCD carries similar terpenes and expressions. His Tangerine NYCD clone is still pretty widespread all over Holland and Spain, as far as I remember it replaced his NYCD Red Grapefruit clone, lost during a raid in NL. Amazing selections and breeding works have been done from those in Spain, as Soma was travelling a lot and often sharing cuts with people here, some of the derived hybrids even have interesting 1:1 CBD/THC chemotypes. Most will piss any hyped Tangie or Agent cut in my opinion (I'm yet to find an Agent Orange that is not bland besides the frosty bag appeal and interesting terpenes, like most TGA strains), it's all marketing from the damn Cups and commercial seedbanks.

It's always the same old story. We love to put breeders and strains in a pedestal but most of the times, everything is much simpler and boring than what most people expects. Gotta love pothead folklore though lol!

Peace.

Gypsy, I was that guy that when we met in batavia, I had the pleasure to handle you out with some arancia, first day of the cup.
that was not california orange, but surely a relative. a work of mine.
her lineage is agent orange from tga, special cup winner, crossed with agent orange special male, that gave birth to many seedslines by different breeders and even made start some seedcompanies out of him.
the f2 took 2 years of selection to find a proper female/male combo to go into a f3 line all bx again to the last male pollen I had.
now testing a few nice males from the bx to be poured again to the cup winner. my breeding goal was to match the sweet powerful orange lollipop smell with the taste and proper uplifting potency. and believe me it is not that easy with the polihibrid like agent orange.

probably the original calio was like this, but i never had the plesure to try it in original form. i work with seeds, not clones.some people told calio was light in potency, with agent orange subcool tried to fix this with the outcrossing to jtr male.

about all the orange, tangie, tanjie or tanji craze that is happening now... really curious and weird...
and crokett and dna story too.
this is a proper example of rebadging and businness tactic.

i remember around early 2013 when i shared so many seeds after the first success in amsterdam with my cuts of agent orange.
trasparent as glass, no secrets genetics.
in europe a lot of people remembered the orange tastes from the 90s, but these genetics were lost or really difficult to find in old continent in late 2000s
when I first met subcool 2 years earlier, he was proud to hear my nycd projects and gave me some testers of what he considered the best orange legacy...

then after 6 months of spreading these crosses to friends, I see during a hash dinner in 2013 the winner as dna tangie... Sam you were there too.
i had some agent orange hash from my 2 previous years experiments and the dna winner, side by side, seemed only a diluited version of mine. puzzeled i went on doing my crosses...
now the orange craze is all over. some seed companies started after one or two male flowers' pollen I sent by mail.
i have deep knowledge of different forms and phenos of her.
sweet , bitter, funky orange, tangerine, pomelo, mapo, are all in there. the transition smell to taste is the most difficult.

i am sure about what i am talking beacuse i also did a side by side experiment last year.
agent orange f1, f2 and arancia, side by side to crokett tangie regular, some nyco, some satsuma (bodhi calio x snowlotus) and some chimera c+ (calio x blueberry).
the results? crokett is a diluited, poor, extremely unstable in phenos version of orange mix. the smell is there, but not potency, not fat buds, extremely picky in nutes and easy to ruin without proper care.
agent orange stood out always, and expecially in her refined version of arancia.
dont know if the melvin clone that subcool says it is the mother of ao, is a calio cut or a calio skunk.
it can be that all these originated from Sam's initial batch.
if so many many thanks! this is a real story about genes that survive the time and generations with the care of the people.
that plant is so special and unique, tnx for having preserved, saved and passed it to us nowadays.

when we go back talking about people, not plants,
some are more greedy than others and have different money, power and businness strategies and objectives.
i like to continue the orange thread in time, make it available to everyone.
i dont care if someone capitalized on this, not jealous, but honored to be part of the chain and honored to have helped the connection.
it is just fair to remember who gave you the first seeds and not buliding up funny stories or myth about it should be more than enough...

and btw, nycd and Calio or relatives are not linked in anyway...
citrous is one the most amazing terpene combination and can be very different one to another, but they re different. i assure.
original nycd is a recessive clone brought by soma in europe, renamed and made into a myth.
it was lost and there is no any s1 or whatever which can be the same.
that was special, and is very difficult to replicate in seed form.
but something close is what we have today, and it is different from ao. side by side you would notice.
a cross of them like nyco can be interesting, because you find different phenos and mixes of the two.
hope this helps
Dr.P

I search to buy solid tangie seeds in Europe and was about to buy Crocketts one but now I'm thing too mutch again, help ^^

 

[Bro.]

I also read @skotty saying this :

"

I thought tangie was just a pheno of agent orange selected from a large population?

tangie is an old skool pheno of tangerine dream not barneys farm bullshit ... think it was a clone only cut ..tangie is a cali orange pheno x with a skunk pheno ..

agent orange is a cross of orange velvet (orange skunk) x jack the ripper..

tangie was around before agent orange ... as was cali orange which is 1 of the earliest lineages of the oranges.i cant think of.. if i was a breeder id start with cali - o seeds and select a pheno to work with but only produce reg seeds to minimize any hermies and i dont encourage stressing females to produce female seeds as that carries over into the next generation and nobody wants to smoke seedy weedy.."