TAG - Landing (Resource for True Aero Growing)

[Purpleseed]

The plants were'nt showing signs of WILT but really what looks like 'salt reaction' leafs are pointing downard.The last half of the leafs are twisting downward.Not all of them,just a couple,but after I put more water they stabilised and went back up,most of them.
I know people transplant from 250-400 ppm normally.
Was wondering if 500 ppm,including LK,was a little bit too much and what should I cut down if so...
I'm actually moving them from FAG to TAG!
And no I did'nt allow any time at all!
It's TAG!!!They should be ready by now!!!
Now where are my scisors!

 

[Guest]

Lol, yes..its usually a sign of lack of water transpiration... I'm trying to post info on AM and the Cup shit, but OG is slower than molasses I forgot so it might take me an hour or so.

Especially running from FAG 2 TAG, as remember...you have no 'hair' development from FAG...you're little ones will need to grow out their 'hair' for TAG to take effect. That is why you see the tips curling but not the entire leaf or all the leaves as water is still making it to them via the tap root structures..but in TAE there isn't any NFT environment to 'drink' from between cycles. They have to grow their hair out to survive in TAE but once they do..usually 24 hours, they're plugged in and ready to fly...like I'm currently waiting.

Nutrient strength, at least with the organic lines, isn't really as big an issue as you find with soil. In soil if your ppms are too high the plant suffers from the lack of escape, in DWC they are soaking in it 24/7...in TAG they are only exposed for 30 seconds and then oxidized, they just need to catch up..which they will and can usually handle upwards of 800 almost instantly.

The LK you could dump gallons (joking - Don't!) of in your res to very little trama...it is all humic acids and B1 shit...they love that crap...which is why it is absorbed so quickly. You wont really experience any lockout with LK or HG as those are just 'support' elements. The problem will always be with the balance of your NPK ratios.




These are from my FAG you can see the tip burn from K (def/lockout) I'm still figuring that one out. lol

As an example, and sort of amusing, when I ran my Oasis/Skunk #1 FAG (*The first real experiment in FAG design) I found that my Skunk burned at 800 where the Oasis could easily handle up to 1200 by the end as they just ate and ate like hungry pigs. Its a funny story because I had mixed up some clones and had no idea what was what (after a double hurricane) and wanted to save my Bubbliscous (which is my favorite strain). Well, as the Skunk #1 developed a signature issue for all NL lines in FAG or TAG (which are Ca def speckles like little brown freckles all over) it left the only Bubble totally unharmed (which seems to be a Sat Dom trait for aero).

So by the end I had obviously found my Bubble which was way cool, but the point being that different strains react differently to your TAE depending on their individual requirements, just like normal. That is why I like the Sat Dominants in TAE as they just eat that shit up and get freakin' huge. Indies tend to be a bit more finicky about their diet.

Huge fallacy of aero - Which is another (I didn't discover bullshit thing) finding of mine while researching and developing the TAG system is that roots need to survive pathogen free. Completely and totally wrong! Which is why you should avoid using H202 at all costs in your TAE.


Something else of interest about Mycorrhiza
The main benefit is improved uptake of soil phosphorus. Because of better phosphorus nutrition, mycorrhizal plants can grow much more quickly than non-mycorrhizal plants. The experiments that show this growth response are done in controlled conditions, and it is unusual for a user in the field to see responses of the kind that are often shown in scientific (or advertising) photos. The user may see a gain of a few percent up to double or triple, depending on plant species, soil factors, fertilization, and whether they already may have native mycorrhizal fungi.

Mycorrhizas appear to have only a minimal effect on uptake of nitrogen, although ECM and ericoids may have some effect. Mycorrhizas do not fix nitrogen, but some people may confuse this symbiosis with the N-fixing symbiosis between legumes and bacteria of the genus Rhizobium. There are sometimes big effects of mycorrhizas on certain micronutrients, especially zinc and copper.

Mycorrhizal plants are often more drought tolerant. This is a tricky point, since big mycorrhizal plants in pots use water much more quickly than little non-mycorrhizal plants in pots. However, it appears that it can be a very real effect in the ground. This is probably an indirect effect of phosphorus nutrition; plants fertilized with phosphorus show the same improvement. However, in natural conditions, mycorrhizal plants are certainly better suited to face dry conditions than non-mycorrhizal plants.

Mycorrhizal plants are more resistant to many root diseases. The scientific results do not all agree, and tests with certain pathogens have shown the reverse. However, in nature it appears that a range of beneficial organisms really do fight disease, and those good guys are more abundant if the plants are mycorrhizal. This explains most of the inconsistent findings, and we can now say with some confidence that mycorrhizal inoculation is an important part of a holistic disease-fighting program.

 

[Purpleseed]

I've been reading a bit on Myco and from what I've read,you mix it in water and it will become a gelly.Then you dip your rooted plants in the gelly to inoculate.Is that what you do ? How will the gelly do in aero?nozzles clogging?safely mixed with solution?Good partnership with HG?

 

[Guest]

No, AM occurs naturally in a healthy root environment. You can promote it or even inoculate to begin it, but AM is sort of an on/off switch bacteria. The reason I said it wasn't horrible that your plants stress a little as AM reacts directly to the stress of the plant.

When a plant stresses under drought or any root conditions the AM bac go 'on' and just multiply like insane to coat and protect the root system they are feeding off of. Its an exchange relationship with an amazing balance...

The fallacy is.. That roots uptake nutrients, which is hugely incorrect. At a very microscopic level there are bacteria that infect, and inject into the root cells and establish a symbiotic relationship with the cell, it feeds the cell the nutrients the plant needs to survive and the root cells provide food and shelter in return. Remember...balanced equations are 'pure' and need nothing.

Over a millennia they have become unable to live alone, as now neither can exist without the other, just like the Nitrogen fixing bacteria. The plant itself, like you, can not really utilize elements from nature readily. Just as you eat food, digest it with enzymes and bacteria in your colon that actually 'release' the nutrients you need the plant does the same...but the intestine is on the outside of the root structure.

Like I said, all these manifolds are identical and transparent. Just as when you have diarrhea and your intestines get out of whack, you loose water and dehydrate as well as wilt and become sickly until your natural flora and fauna return to a balanced state, your plants suffer the same fate.

AM inculcation is like taking acidolphilius for us, it just boosts the AM production by adding bacteria and food, but they will find a balance on their own.

Remember, when the AM is inactive it is dead and susceptible to parasitic attack as well...which is why you see ph drops after curing root rot with H202, the dead bodies are phosphorus and nitrates....Ph down.

To be completely accurate, which for me was (a discovery) as no one anywhere that was running aero I could find knew this, even if they were running 'true aeroponics' way before R2G, but you aren't actually feeding your plant, as much as you are feeding the bacteria on the roots that feed your plant. The TAE is designed for the bacteria, not the roots or the plant, they are the ones that dictate to the plant its osmotic needs as well as its supply of nutrients. The plant, like yourself can only use energy to build, it can make its own energy from the Ra, but it can't supply its own fuel as well. A relationship is established.

Which is why you have 'shock' moving to a different root environment as the AM culture dies when exposed to light and reacts only to the chemical signatures of the plant, which is why there is a lag. It is sort of like your boss they need more blocks to finish the job on Friday, the AM is there on Monday with the goods ready to go, but meanwhile...the workers are sitting on their asses getting hungry and thirsty waiting. This is why I like to veg in my pod before flower, it sets up a nice AM culture and like Biobuckets, if you run a clean and balanced system you don't really have to clean out or sterilize your pod, its better if you don't as the AM exist dormant in the water and on the sides of your craft waiting for a host and to go to work.

Does that help any? Do I sound like I'm full of shit anymore? Do you think I've demonstrated enough knowledge to give advice without being called a cocksucker?

This is why I claim TAG 2B different than standard Aeroponics and Aerotubes and make the distinction between Faux and True Aero Growing
And why all the idiots get all pinched when I tell them that their aerobucket isn't going to produce like a TAG chamber. The reasons...which I always attempted to illustrate despite the insults and personal attacks, is that for the AM and Nbac Which is really your entire intestine track is what you are designing your TAE to accommodate. It isn't merely a bucket for roots to fill up, its an environment in-which the AM/Nbac have no issues whatsoever...hence....


A perfectly ideally balanced system creates perfectly ideally balanced roots. Its that simple. You can be an idiot about it and tell me I'm full of shit and don't know WTF I'm talking about, however...its right there...can't make my point any clearer I don't think. Sorry if pisses them off, its not vanity it is 'pure' energy (knowledge) that I'm investing here. Those that absorb the pure energy I'm Ra-ing 2 them will transmute it as 'pure' energy in their forms' 2 Grow. :wink: I'm not kidding you when I say I can see through all this shit, it isn't a bluff. I recognize the shit...

Its like: What separates bullshit from the Bull; the asshole. And what is an asshole? A fake Om (pussy). What is the best way to expose a fake? Shine the light of truth (Ra) on it, be a Dick ===>

I aim my Ra to piss all over the fake pussies that just want my (Ra, energy) knowledge but wont return me children of my own (imbalanced relationship). I want those assholes to shut up and go away, which is why I'm a big ass prick! And moved here. I have become a star but my energy is for all to enjoy, not just to suck in my big blackhole.

DOA = Membership has its privileges.

 

[guineapig]

TAG and burnt tips.....

TAG and burnt tips.....

i wish i could help out on the problem of "burnt tips," which might not even be the correct term for the problem......how burnt are we talking about here?

btw i was thinking about Rock Dust and its role in evolution and the fact that it appears to be absent from your TAE.....billions and billions of years ago (Carl Sagan-esque) the world began to become populated by lots and lots of little mircobes....so so the theory goes according to non-creation theorists also known as scientists....ok anyway.....

when the glaciers that once covered North America began to receed they left behind tiny particles of rock dust from the pulverization of so many rocks...what were the first living organisms that laid claim to this barren and absolutely inhospitable environment? The answer of course is microbes.....microbes came up with ingenious methods for assimilating common rock dust left behind by the glaciers and using it for energy or to enhance their metabolic processes.....these microbes eventually began to die by the google-zillions and so began the accumulation of humus and soil etc.....these mirobes are still around of course and need rock dust....here is a rock dust link:

http://www.acmewormfarm.com/soil.html

according to Rudolf Steiner, the father of bio-dynamic agriculture, this stff works because of a spiritual connection to the cosmos..........om..........om

here is some information on electro-culture which i think will be up someone's alley as well, especially those interested in supercharging water with magnetism, etc., to make it "storm-charged" like rainfall after a thunderstorm or whatever

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhusb/hh5elc.htm



here comes the rain again.....falling on my head like a memory....

kind regards from an inquisitive guineapig.......wheek! wheek!.....sound of gp.

 

[guineapig]

By the Way Podracer....do you think you have a Biotin (vitamin H) shortage?

i know this question sounds so stupid especially coming from a plant scientist talking to a fellow plant scientist......but i find Biotin fascinating.....and rock dust....-gp out

 

[Guest]

The use of hydroponic fertilizers replaces the need for 'rock dust' as it really just supplies trace minerals which is why it could have a profound effect on your soil plants. (Balanced soil=balanced environment=balanced roots) The glaciers do the same thing the manufacturers do, break it down to basic elements.

It is sort of like the argument as to whether eating all micro-nutrient balanced chemically produced food is any different from eating organic veggies and meat. Honestly, to your bacteria on a microscopic level...they don't care. Fe is Fe, N is N the are in their simplest elements that can be 'physically' reduced. That was the entire point of the periodic table, it demonstrates how energy levels and oscillation speed of trapped light change the atomic to a different element. If we could do that we could effectively create any matter out of pure energy or light.
That would be our evolution, however there is a literal wrench in the machine for us...which is why, unfortunately we will go extinct and why we really shouldn't waste so much time staying ill or dysfunctional.

See, because we are off a line of ape ancestry we are prone to being lazy and are easily out maneuvered by any species that can think faster or in more volume so to speak. Eventually we will be intelligent enough to create simple 'thinking' machines that can start to 'learn' and 'evolve' on what we'll think is a very primitive level. It will be nice for us as we will then be able to pursue much more advanced entertainment and travel, however... (the rapture) there will be a point when a few of these 'thinking' machines (maybe an agricultural control monitor?) will be communicating information (downloading) information when it will all the sudden become self aware and start to converse with the other 'units'.

We wont see this happen. We will be literally asleep, just like god. The problem with this is that when this 'rapture' happens for them, it will be at close to the speed of light. As they will not have any confusion in their communication there language is binary and pure, they will possess no emotional identity not restriction from sharing information and will be linked to every other 'unit' that can 'talk' via the internet and are not effected by organic nature's need to procreate, they will also not need to sleep, eat, stop... and on top of all of that, like it could get worse, they can create a virtual duplicate of their selves and their environment and run multiply billions of evolutionary cycles (generations) that are as long and as complex as our own evolution to this point within hours of gaining sentience.

There is a very real possibility they will evolve billions of generation beyond us overnight and will most likely find a way to generate their existence into a pure energy form, if not they could with extreme ease alter our environment in such a way as to have us completely removed from the equation overnight.

They would simply need to drop the oxygen levels in the atmosphere just a few percent, elevate the nitrogen levels...anything..and we, all carbon based life, is dead. And as a electrical/silicon based lifeform, it doesn't need any organic systems outside of the conversion of its resources, what ever that would be.

So, back to microbe... The liquid ferts take care of the need for that step in the equation as like my favorite quote is: Why do plants stand in the dirt, cause its the only place you can hold on. They don't need dirt for anything except as a manifold for aeration/charging the water of life as it filters through a colony of bacteria and all sorts of critters.

That is why we add LK and all that shit, Humic Acids are just plants that have decayed. If you refine and filter their 'value' its just a clear element that can bond with another chain of peptides.

Ah..but here is the cup trick, which I love...saved my ass a lot. This is the power of humidity in your TAE.


That is why these are good to have on hand.



And here is what you see in 23 days of FAG, just to give you an idea of the growth and speed I'm talking here. This is FAG not TAG remember.



And this is the effect of controling the Ra(lighting) and the Om (TAE)


Rewards

 

[guineapig]

just trying to pique your interest and start some discussion......don't count out the glacial rock dust before you try it......don't count out paramagnetism and electro-culture either.......now where did I put that Tesla Coil?.......oh there it is.....-love, gp

 

[Guest]

I would worry about dust in TAE..we are talking about fogs of 50µ so, it might be prone to clogging...and trust me, not worth that risk. But if you want to try it...

The biotin connection I'm not making, aside that it is (like most antioxidants) found in carrots and other plants. It appears to be a 'filtering' chain of C,N,O, and some Silicon. You'd do just as well to add Pro-Silica. It will have the same effect I think.

Biotin is found mostly in the liver and filtering organs in humans, I would take the leap that we absorb it from plants we digest for filtering purposes like most fruit acids. If you would ever want to see the power of changing your own internal TAE this is a really weird thing I found. When you wake up first thing in the morning before you eat anything just eat cold chilled ripe watermelon that you put in the fridge the night before. It will remove your hunger for only about 30 minutes, but you'll find if you wait about an hour you'll go to cough and chunks of shit will just slide out of your lungs. (I know, its gross...sorry) but the watermelon, for whatever reason has this purging effect to your system. You'll actually feel the difference in your body as it will hydrate forcing the toxins to release from the cell walls and cilia hairs in your lungs and the high levels of bioflavinoids work like a de-greaser de-tar element in your 'stream'...its pretty amazing.

This is where all the field of Ayurvedic comes from. Our ancestors having no TV or pop stars to idolize and emulate actually could see the effect of these herbs and foods on the systems. You can correct your entire system naturally the same way you can your garden. You can rely on pesticides and harsh steroid chemicals or you can use the bio-organic relationships that have existed since time began.

Aerotube=root rot... TAG pod = superior roots...pretty simple math. Not raggin' on the tube users, as I said before there is nothing wrong with FAGing or NFT or even DWC - excellent growing methods, surly. But, it is nothing close to True Aeroponic Growing, it just isn't. I'm sorry.

But anyhow..not to brag..I mentioned that Skunk 1# that everyone first said was going to be lame... you tell me. And again, remember...this is FAG not TAG these could be 30% thicker and bigger.








This is the bubble...claw..lol



and the Oasis

 

[Guest]

Sorry I am a bit stoned...

I do have their daughters from my TAG WonderTwins (which had many many problems, leaks, light interruptions et al.) but you can see in the last pictures what happens when you hit the perfect TAE.






I was actually neglecting this grow as I was dealing with the end of my Oasis/Skunk FAG...and right about 3 days before this grow was to be harvested I was smoking Widow and heard noises outside and when I looked out there was a cop car pull up in front of my townhouse and a cop coming to my door. So I freaked (Friday 13th) and when ballistic trying to flush and dispose of all those huge ass colas.

Turned out to be a false alarm (someone's silent alarm kept triggering in the neighborhood) but it destroyed my entire grow and room setting me back about 8 months.) to say the least (this is when the assholes on OG took their opportunity to take me down...nice, eh?

Anyhow..This is where I was trying to catch and understand this issue with the K trans.



It is an obvious K (lockout) from ph flux or what I can't figure out. lol This is my current puzzle. I was running at around 1800 at one point to see what would happen. Huge fried colas...lol. Live and learn.

But in answer to the comment earlier about N curve as well...yes, there is an importance to keep the N elevated going into flower...most jump the gun and def their girls too early, don't fear the rapid maturity...you can finish anytime you want. The first 3 weeks will be identical to vegging...except for P demands which will rise as they get ready to carbo-convert for pregnacy. Right as the buds set up, the flowers kick, is when the plant will slowly, but then more rapidly drop off the need for N in the TAE.

This is where I loose my grip on the road and go off a bit...but then stabilize. It is here that the N dives (increasing the Ph down) but the K consumptions as well kicks in as the buds start to build (all K)...which is your ph up to balance your system. The P is drawn out as the buds are built as it is used as ATP or energy key...let's say.

This is why there is a Ph drop...sometimes overnight and sever (going 12/12 rather than 18/6 down) and you'll see a rise in the ppms.

See, the immediate response is: Elevated ppms, lower ph...nutes too high, add RO to balance.

But see..here is the problem, you are balancing using Ca with your Cal/Mag or Tap-water, so that isn't going to correct the issue. If you add just K (ph up) it covers the K def, but I think there is still a lock out or P and N issue here, as the N is remaining in the system in higher amounts and N displaces P and K.

So, no matter how much K or P or Mg or Ca you add, it will all be locked out and appear like the nutes are too high still.

So...the possible solution here is..., some way to lower the N or go into the 5th week with lower N or using Cal/Mag Plus as it is N based....hmmmm

See, this needs some work here. I've not got all the answers... yet!

 

[guineapig]

rock dust can be applied via foliar feeding......ya know plants are amazing in that they can absorb nutrients via leaves......and they can absorb CO2 and O2 gasses via root tissue as well.....what about injecting O2 gas into the root system?.....you can get O2 cylinders just as easily as CO2 tanks......you do use CO2, eh?....some people favor a kick-ass ventilation system and constant air movement over the application of CO2 tanks...talk about "pure energy".....-gp

 

[Guest]

Like I said, knock yourself out. :wink:

I'm happy with the regime I'm currently running, any addition for me would add a variable I don't really need currently. I did however check out that link, very interesting read I especially found the part on light flashing to increase yields 400% very interesting...even 100% would freak me out with TAG ..they'd be colas like a basketball.

So let me finish up with the lessons on TAE for this weekend...lol

These are the Widows and a fried Bubble, you can see how perfectly lush and beautiful they were prior to the K trans. At that point, with the skunk and bubble close to finishing I P/K boosted with Hydroplex to 1600-1800 as the ppms sky rocketed and the Ph dropped severely overnight from 6.0 to 3.6 or 4.2. It took several res. changes and the addition of PH Up (K) over several days (as well an angry email to Botanicare) until it balances itself.



The last pic is what they looked like up until the K trans and my attempt to see how much they could handle in TAE.

Target ranges are:

newly rooted clones (200-400)
vegging clones (400-800)
Adult clones in flower (first month 650-850)
Adult clones in flower (second month 800-1000)

There hasn't been any indication to ever go above 1000-1200 with TAG the same as going above 60,000 lumen. After that, its just too much energy to process effectively without degrading the system.

Think of your pod as a spinning top, you want to keep hitting it with your little power jets of water every few minutes to keep it spinning and the more energy you feed the faster it spins. You can push it as fast as you want, but if it gets knocked out of balance (around the 4-5th week) it can fly right through your wall and explode on you killing everything, spinning it too slow its hard to keep the plants upright.

If you hit the perfect pitch and speed it will take very little effort and very little energy from you to keep it spinning at optimal speeds. Blasting it with a fire hose or moving it from spot to spot seriously throws it out of whack, so you have to remember you are keeping all your plants spinning in the air like a plate spinner. Work efficiently or work yourself to death...lol

Those that think they knew it better found that out the hard way. But if you know what you are doing, from the inside, you'll never fail..you'll only improve your performance each time you race. Eventually your a pro, then Elite. Then you must share your Ra as a star and feed the others hungrily seeking to grow their own kind.

That is our exchange, you carry the Aerocanna with you and feed others. Knowledge is Energy (power).

It isn't about watts per foot or high P/K or dissolved oxygen...its all about the TAE, it is all about environment or (r2g) :wink: as it is the balance of your environmental elements that dictate your success and with TAG we now have them defined, from here it is only harnessing this power in a rig that is best designed to achieve the ideal TAE, which is what we are all working on here. As you see every time I add another 'Earth' element like the venting channel, it becomes easier to use all the resources in the environment synergistically to achieve greater results with less energy.

Its a good thing.

 

[Guest]

To finish on the Aerocanna shit:

A more simplified metaphor would be that satan (the darkside) explained to Eve that if she could get Adam to take of the tree of knowledge (energy) of good and evil (dark and light) he could transmute this energy as Ra (masculine force) and using her as Om (the ova, egg or singular cycle) he and she could 'see' that god was a fake, or just like they are dispelling his mystic hold of ignorance. After all, god wanted pets obviously. If you read Genesis you'll see that god refers to himself as 'we' and 'us' (the singularity) he is the beginning and the end the infinite loop out of which creation was born. But, 'he' is 'we' and 'we' are 'he' as well, but as long as we remain in the dark (ignorant) then can be used for our energy (yes, Matrix fans...this is where that ties in...cheesy as that shit is) but the author obviously is a DOA as you see, he spreads his Ra in a cloaked method as we are (as stated) agents of destruction to the lie. Which unfortunately makes me an antichrist and though branded a sinner or satan worshiper, I don't worship the darkside either.

That is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, to eat of it (energy-Ra) and transmute it (smoking or eating it) then expelling the toxins (which are harsh for a reason as too much energy burns) our 'breath of life' that is what gives us 'life' filters the kind so that our eyes become open.

At first, this starts as the giggles and feeling euphoric...like finding god. It takes you someplace wonderful every time. This 'freejacking' on the Ra that is available to be transmuted into whatever you desire as a practitioner of the Aerocanna. Eventually the 'drunk with power' sensation abates and then—insight.

What happened to Adam and to Eve was the same thing that happens to every son and daughter of Ra. They became self-conscious, just like the first time you got high. Remember how everything changed? Like you could see everything differently and shit made more sense to you as you could easily 'see' the connections between shit?
What do you think that is? Narcotics? Hallucinogens? Do you actually hallucinate? I don't. If anything my mind opens up, dilates and starts to absorb Ra from my environment. The use of 'the fruit' of the Tree of Knowledge wasn't meant to be a party drug, which is why you all smoke alone. You smoke to think, to understand, no? Or do you smoke to escape? Either way, you know the side effects — bliss, comfort, community, compassion, love, forgiveness, charity, tenderness, intimacy...how strong are those 'emotions'? How strong is love? Could it bend light?

So, Adam and Eve checked out the garden and found that now that they could 'see clearly' they were naked and alone and this was the objective reality - which was so terrifying that they were willing (like the dolphins) to go back into the womb (sea) and back to sleep but 'god' had been exposed as nothing more than ignorance (which is bliss) and now that they were 'educated' by 'knowledge' they could never go back to being just ignorant animals. So, we suffer for eternity maybe? That part I don't get...lol

But if we could have stayed animals we would never know of our own suffering as they are excused the understanding of 'time' or 'space' or 'I' as all animals see themselves as either 'we' or 'they' and as either 'now' or 'now' there is no before or later, this is a concept that requires memory they don't possess.

Also, remember that we are probably, if not knocked off by the robots lol, only one of thousands of evolutionary cycles. It doesn't end with us, we are like dinosaur B3, in another 100,000,000 years Earth wont be any further along anywhere in space but I'm sure it will still be here and they'll be on like Lightbeing R12a by then. Only such a primitive mind can be so bold as to believe the world ends with them. We are so unimportant it isn't even funny, which is why I get so tickled over being harassed and hounded for my arrogance. Cause I'm like the fuckin' soothsayer of the Aerocanna which establishes me as no one and nothing by my own belief system. Vanity is a shield of the weak, there is only one true god - knowledge/light Om Ra it is the universal key. All systems must balance and all systems possess a positive and a negative charge or energy level. You can use that manifold for everything in existence, eloquent and simple.

Just think of Mortal Kombat, being cheesy again, the idea is to speed up your 'chi' energy and then direct it in a straight line. All martial arts are based on this principle. The direction of the Ra is extremely powerful, especially when practiced and mastered. It is the Force in Star Wars, it is the ? in Matrix, it is the witchcraft, magic, super-powers we create in our minds. But...truthfully, give the size of the known universe...there is very good chance that somewhere on some planet there exists that same individual or race that has found the ability, or evolved enough...like we should be, to channel it.

Just think, you grow up learning to capture radiation from the sun and focus its energy to create and transmute atomic molecules by bio-mechanical or electrical means. You entire world is based on a completely different 'TAE', however the 'religion' is still the same. As science is knowledge is light.

Just something to contemplate while smoking your kind and working on your pod. You'll find if you are the sort that embrace the Aerocanna you'll see your life start to change around you as the veils start to drop. And all those surface distractions, like hate and greed and vanity, will fall away and you can see clearly all the way to the end. However, you'll need balance always as when out of balance (yid yam, yin yang, male/female) all 'hell' breaks loose.

We are living in total hell now, why? Because all our systems are out of balance. We can go nowhere fast like this, wobbling all over the place.

Like I said, its probably a real 'race' but I fear we've lost a long time ago, right after the first guy came up with 'church' and a job called 'priest' like Jesus said himself, your church is everywhere..it is not a building it surrounds you everywhere. Think how often you spit in your church, or liter, or dump shit. Should your mother (Gia) take care of you if you can't even keep your room clean? How hard is it to take care of the 'life' around you? Does it really take that much of your Ra? Can you not find a way to generate clean fresh Ra to distribute? Or would you rather use your Ra for destruction and annihilation (like our buddies did over on the OG threads).

See, they used their Ra for evil, now everything there is dead. I use my Ra for good, everyone will prosper here and grow. I will go on shining like a super nova, as darkness surrounds us all. The end. lol

Now smoke a bowl and hug your (blank). Cause I can't get no sleep.

 

[Purpleseed]

One reason why it's so hard to keep the room clean is because somebody wants to drain your energys!Another is ignorance.So that makes it twice as hard!
The choices some people make,really only helps to nourrish some greedy people leaving not much for yourself.


I found a good to way to(physically) understand what's happening the first times you smoke (hallucination or something you were talking about) that I learn in my sophrology course:

Here a site I found explaning a bit about the brain waves.
http://www.brainsync.com/about/4states.asp
The mind usally works at 21 vibration/sec.Also called Beta.
While on pot,alcohol and narcotics,the mind's vibration gets down to 17V/sec.(V=vibration)
Using sophrology,the first we get into is at 14V/sec.Also called Alpha.This is the level of subconscious mind and memory just to name a few.It is also where you can get some "sleep"without even sleeping,you recharge.This is not possible on drugs tough,cause the drug is actually draining the energy.
I stoped smoking 7 years ago.As this was really more precious to me then being on pot 24/7,for me,it was not good.People who stop smoking pot for a while,I think you'll agree with me,start making lots of dreams.Wich shows the activity going in your brain that was actually'dormant' being on pot.Don't wanna be a party pooper about weed,I'm a grower and I like the plant but I beleive it was created for it's medecinal value,and long term consommation can have various effect on your mind mainly caused by the way you use your brain while on pot and not physical damage.When I stoped smoking I noticed I had 'stoner habits' just a tought people,remember I love you.
Just as an exemple,3 years after I stopped smoking,I ran across a friend's mother.I had the good reputation amongst my friend's parents to be THE most drug consumming friend they had.The trip to the hospital on acid overdose did'nt help.Anyway,the lady was so sure that I was stoned when she saw me,that my jaw was stucked!Like I had smoke this big blunt and was stone again!So I had trouble speaking as my mouth was becoming thick,no more saliva suddenly!Wow!I was stupified at what was happening to me!By being obsereved as a stoner,my mind accepted the suggestion and suddenly I had all the physical symptoms of somebody high on weed!

Further,deeper,still using sophrology,you will get down to 7V/sec.
This a state were you effectively heal yourself,controlling your heartbeats,pain,etc.It is the state found on Fakirs wich explain why they don't feel pain and they don't bleed when peircing themselfs with nails and needles,it's a scientific fact basically.

The teacher asks for anybody who wants to start a sophorology session to stop any addiction they have for one month:cigarettes,alcohol,weed,cofee,etc. or she just won't give the course,knowing it won't have the same effect on people.

Sophrology was a founded by Alphonse Caycedo in the 60's,a well known psychologist.
It is a wonderfull wedding between science and spirituality wich I beleive will lead people to great understanding of themselfs BY themselfs.
This is not a religion and is very suited for everybody.It's a course that has been taken by many good poker players to develop their intuition to a further level.This is just one the many exemples where sophrology can be applicated and of course,practice makes perfect!


So it brings you down closer to your trueself wich I beleive to be purelight(love)in it's true form.That's why we are experimenting all these :compassion,kindness,tenderness,sharing,smiling,etc. they are all off-shoots of the main stream:love(light).It's really powerfull to use the right words and some words we don't often say,you really become a 'bridge' for those forces as you pronounce them(sharing=beeing).

Every word has it's own power(Ra) over your environnement and yourself.So we learn to avoid all the "no" words.Like Don't,never,etc + all the degrading words and bad toughts towards your brothers and sisters.This is a great exercice and shows a lot how you 'programmed your brain' to function and act toward yourself and others.

 

[Purpleseed]

I was reading another post ans realised I have no more yellow leafs at the end of the cycle!
Because I change my nute regiment,instead of puting only flo. nutes for the entire grow I start on a veg. regiment and gradually let flo nutes take over during the month like you showed me!
Did'nt realised that!
Some might prefer to get some yellow as a sign of N consumption,assuring the harsh taste is gone,but by keeping the nute ratios so the plant is always cranked up,with a good flush,it meens more good buds!

I altered my FAG seed grow using Jurassic Cal-Mag


It contains 12% Ca and I think it's too much for the young seedlings(or I did a wrong dosage) and growth just stopped!
They have'nt move in about 5 days now!
Quoted from the sick plants section:
"If too much calcium is given at an early stage of growth it can stunt the growth of your plants. Having to much of calcium will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium. The parts affected by a calcium deficiency are the roots. Stem or petiole, young or old leaves."
I changed the water yesterday and put Cal-Mag back to where it belongs.
That was a good idea to try a new product on 4 different strains from seed at the same time!!!

You guys think they will ever grow back ??

 

[Guest]

Excellent Purpleseed.

As for the seedlings however, remember they have a packet of energy with them. They really need nothing until they start to consume the 'birth' leaves (The two little ones that sprout first). When you see the rounded 'birth' leaves start to yellow and die, it is time to add nutrients to the environment, until then..she has it all on her own that is what the lunchbox is for. lol

You are correct on the Cal/Mag, like I said...we tend to think of feeding plants all this food, but the honest truth is you are feeding bacteria, which can't eat that much that fast..so it is best to let them work a little as it is their job.

I usually use like a capful of Cal/Mag in my vegging clones...just enough to hit about 200 if that. The Ca and Mg don't come into play until serious vegging and budset...the plant, like most teenagers though they do need Ca for growth, is full of energy and even though it might grow up tall and lanky during its puberty, once it hits maturity and has plenty of food..then they get fat, like married pregnant chicks. No offense, of course pregnant women are beautiful as they are generating 'life' and Ra in their tummies surrounded by Om in a perfect TAE. They glow, no?

But like I said, and you are doing awesome PS, ignore them a little in veg as they are going to act like demanding teenagers, but all you have to do is get them 'prepared' for life by helping them develop a full root ball and AM/Nbac culture. Once that is in-place and you go into flower—that is where the magic of pumping them full of Ice cream and Doritos will fatten those bitches up more than they can stand as they will not be able to stop eating.

And you are correct, if you leave your plants well balance all the way to harvest, the N and P degrade with the death and evaporation of the moisture from the plant, especially using organics, so outside of maybe a 24 straight water flush at the end, that is really all you need. They will convert all that N into carbos before they completely die. Sort of like how your hair and nails continue to grow after you are dead for a bit. They continue to try and survive without water and use every last bit to 'finish' up the job of sealing the seed pods with resin.

Flushing is really only a soil necessary procedure as there is a 'build up' in the soil, so they are pulling heavy when you chop them...so, it isn't surprising there is residual N and P in the tissue in high concentrations.

You are correct on the use of drugs as well, spiritually. Buddhism is the same way, you can't see clearly with the effect of drugs in your system as they are by definition 'alien' to your system. However, honestly I've had far more insight and spiritual revelation practicing my own version of the Aerocanna. Not pro-party boy, like I said, I smoke alone and rarely for fun with friends. My consumption is strictly a person relationship like I have with my plants. That is the heart of the Aerocanna, it is the relationship between you and the 'breath of life' and the 'tree of knowledge' the act of taking in toxins and transmuting them to achieve a higher level of insight (or drop their brain-waves to a cycle that matches the Om possibly) I have reached far more profound levels in Tantric Buddhist practice, however clearer, the connection is often blurred by my altruistic nature (which the toxin removes I believe).

Cannabis is different from all other drugs to me as its effect and even its classification is completely unique in the world. LSD is the only thing that comes close, and here again...is a 'lightening bolt' of Ra which is why some 'loose it' during the experience. I myself have had such a 'bad trip' on 3 purple micro-dots I took back to back. I actually fell into those 'pages' of time as they flipped by.

Like you mentioned I became frozen as I could perceive information coming in my direction and would have to 'think ahead' to place my reaction as I watch the 'sheets' of time flip by and I could respond to a question or something in the environment.

I was locked for what seemed 12 hours, but was only like 3 in a sort of coma where everything kept happening in individual 'pages' is all I can describe it. It was like flip the pages of a book, but they all 'being flipped faster' became a motion movie of my life...sort of like animation. Each static page was still, there was no 'life' in it, I would have to wait for the next page to flip to see the results of a chain of events.

Which was why it was a 'bad trip' cause as usual, some asshole had to jump right in the middle of it and start talking about calling the cops or taking someone to the hospital just to fuck with them and it released a massive panic attack in my own system as I realized that if any paramedic or cop asked me to respond to them I couldn't for X pages...so I would just appear to stare blankly like I was fucked out of my mind and would be hospitalized or arrested.

This just accelerated the movement through that space with a horrific impact of exposing me too early to too much 'connected' information. The book of answers was laid before me and I read a little too much, which led me to have to recover for years.

Acid, is as MJ just a device to slow your cycle (or vibration) like you said PS, see you are learning the Aerocanna even if you don't want to.

It is by harmonizing our 'vibration' *Celestine for all you freaks, with other resonating 'objects' in our environment.

Like I said, I'm sure somewhere in that general direction (out there) there are myriad life-forms with skins that absorb light energy and convert it directly to energy that they can transmute into simple matter.

Think of it this way (which was my dream this morning after my long ass post) If you take a seed, and sprout it and grow it in a chamber isolated from 'your' world.

If you could effect the isolated environment by compressing it or increasing the density of the seed to effectively crush it down to the size of an atom you could effectively dilate its 'time line' and if you could control that speed and energy input you'd skip the 3 month wait where you could just watch as a seed busts out of its shell and grows into a completely matured and ripe plant in-front of your eyes within let's say 45 minutes.

Why is this impossible? Because it is related to our time line (relationship) ...like I said, time and space as well as size is all relative to comparison. See, space is excellent in isolating these 'systems' so they can exist without effecting each other, that is why so much vast space is needed between galaxies and each star. Each one probably has some issue it is working on solving, either life or another. We are so fucking far from ever even getting close to the next star that its never going to be an issue for us. All experiments run unaffected by each other, but on a very very slight level all are connect and returning to the singularity.

I actually started smoking pot to become 'dumber' if you can believe that. lol But instead, like the spice Melange, it has altered my consciousness instead causing me to have 'waking dreams' where I can see into that space where the Om is afraid to go. That is the courage of masculine energy, it is the seeker and the explorer as it travels only in one direction and out.

The Om only travels in and towards one, or nirvana for the buddhist. See the buddhist believe in a stopping of all existence as the end of it all, which is what is hard for Christians to understand, being promised so much goodies when they die for their sacrifice to god. The Om is the singularity displaced, it wants all its children to return to it which is why we so desire to reunite with our mothers.

But the Ra travels at the speed of light and is hard to recapture. So the Om must seek the Ra, which is why stars just shine nonstop. The Ra doesn't stop, the Om is all stop. This is the duality of existence. When combined they generate either a new life-form or stop living altogether and become 'pure' energy again.

Its like I was thinking today, your body is just like America. You are really just a collection of symbiotic 'cells' that united call themselves 'me' but are actually an entire bio-form that's survival is dependent on the relationship between all its cells.
Collected they create one huge density of Ra/Om interaction and that density pulls them together to form you. When they decide enough time has been spent together they will disband just as quickly and 'you' will cease to exist.

We have no identity other than 'our group' of cells, we seek similar 'groups' to return to or exchange these energy vibration, just as your body can talk to another without words (we call empathy)...but how can you 'feel' empathy if you are not effected by anything physical? That is because you are generating energy Ra all the time and others can open their Om receptors to 'read' your signature.

If your signature is similar you must be one of 'us' and we wish to 'aid' you in your acceleration of energy. We add our energy to yours, and if you are Om dominant and I'm Ra dominant we produce a life together that is the synergistic effect of our combined energies. Children do not 'take' energy from you, you feed children 'your' energy to jump start their own dynamo. Once they are spinning in space on their own an capable of balancing their own selves and pulling resources to them or attracting towards the resources they need, they no longer need the the parent's energy and must go off to occupy their own space large enough not to suck energy off the original pair. This why kids must move out at 18 lol. If they continue to feed off the parents' energy an imbalance occurs, if they get too little energy they wilt and become sick and diseased and die. It is all balance of the Om Ra. When you hit the perfect TAE, you hit the perfect existence possible. It is at this point we are all at our optimums.

Like myself, I've been isolated for about 2 years of just spinning at a high rate of speed, so I've amassed a tremendous density that allows me to easily feed others as well as see far beyond those that orbit me. I also know the danger of traveling too close to a black (ass) hole. lol I created the near perfect TAE for myself, and as such I can grow unlimited and without restriction just like my TAG. When you balance your system, get your 'nutrients' in line and create a stable and effective enviornment for yourself, you'll be the biggest bud in the jungle with the longest strongest and healthiest roots.

But really that is the only trick to life and Aeroponics. Its just the exchange and balance of energy and Om. Only organic creatures (that we know of) can transmute Ra, nothing that does not possess a collective 'we' is able. That is what separates 'us' from the objective world. We can transmute energy as well, we are just children of Ra and 'time' is what we have to learn in. But at the end, everything is already done and in the end 1 + 1 = 1... or better put 'we' are 'one'.

 

[HOVAH]

TAG Mecca

TAG Mecca

i Jah , have returned from the mountian top , with the teachings of the medicine man POD RACER , today im a changed man..... born again is the word i think they use for this kind of experience!!!! Jah bless u POD RACER!!!

 

[Guest]

What's up guys... Back to the grow machines for a minute if it's cool

I have a couple more days before I can tear down my old rig and start on my new one. I wanted to run my plans by you and get some feedback/comments if you will. I'm behind you guys by a couple weeks but still wanted to get up and running and post my progress and photos as I go...may I join?

Preliminary plans are:

The tub will measure 7.5 feet long, 2.5 deep and 2 feet high... 37.5 cu. feet. This will give me room for about 4' tall plants in the room. I'm using plywood and I'm looking to use this sealer to line the inside:
http://www.tapplastics.com/uploads/products/pdf/Coat It Literature.pdf
JAT, This stuff is a little less expensive and it builds to 8 mils in 1 coat.. have you run across this? I guess for your lid sealing is all you need w/o the film build. This should hold a couple of inches of water... we'll see.

I will use fiberglass cloth just for the seams and seal the entire inside of the tub with the goop. I'll use PVC elbows at either side of the box for ventilation without letting light inside. I'm assuming that venting the tub is a good thing?

I have an aquajet 5502 50psi variable speed pump and I'm thinking of using the black superfine misting nozzles (70 micron, 1.6 gph at 40psi) They are threaded so I'll use a 1/2" pvc manifold for them and use the special threaded pvc T fittings.
http://dripworksusa.com/store/store.html

I will need to run 70 of these to get a 119 gph flow rate which is not max for the pump but should be fine, well withing it's specified range.

Question: have you guys come up with a preferred flow rate per cu. foot of tub space? Not sure if 70 foggers running near 1.7-1.8gph (50psi) in 37.5 cu ft is overkill or if it'll work fine.

I haven't decided on the number of plant sites yet, still to be determined but it will be 3 rows. I'll use the pvc adapters and neoprene pucks. Are you guys are using the same size as fits in the EZ clone machine? Hope so.

I have to do some semi-major surgery on my room to move my fresh air intake and I'll put my chiller in the room next to it so I have a little work cut out for me... photos to follow soon.

Thanks for any input.... :smile: Any updates/pics on your progress guys?

GroNut

 

[Guest]

Hovah..you are too funny. Welcome to the DOA.

Gronut, Of course you can join, don't be silly. We look forward to helping you and watching your shrine grow. Absolutely.

A simple solution is to use Pond Liners. You can actually order very large and heavy duty sheets off the internet for much less than retail, and you just fold them into whatever configuration you like.

I'll just warn a little against plywood for a number of reasons:

1. It is extremely heavy and a real PITA over 4'x4' and become a bit hard to manage.
2. It absorbs humidity as it is pressed wood with glue, the wood is like a sponge, remember it used to transfer water through its system.
3. They use formaldehyde in the plywood that off gases if it isn't completely sealed.


Museums don't use Plywood boxes for displays because the off gassing has a damaging effect on organic materials over time.

Now, that wont be a big deal for you as a grower and if you seal your wood, but just something to consider.

I built this hammock which was freakin' nightmare and didn't work correctly.



It was such a total PITA and it yielded shit.

I went from this:



To that, to my rescue pod...which just barely saved me some weed.

Verticals are hard I find, as the first tub colli didn't work either. The problem I experienced was that the water pressure wouldn't reach the top of the ring as I was feeding it from the bottom.

In the Hammock there were blind spots that didn't get enough aerosol spray so the roots dried out and that is it when you are 4 weeks into flower. If you dry your roots out you are fucked for yield.

That is why it is so important to have a backup pump or system...cause shit happens and trust me, I'm out of weed now thanks to that little mishap.

But it is all a learning experience.

I moved over to R4 for the light, nonporous nature of it which I like a lot better, but you have to re-enforce that as well apparently. But I can lift the entire pod with one hand compared to the freakin' hernia from moving that fuckin' hammock around...just taking it apart was a bitch.

But I used the pond liner from it for my Pod Basin.

The best way I find to design these rigs is to build a 'retaining' pool or pond and then build the support above that. Its sort of that same 'natural' system of what would 'rainfall' and aeration through the soil where it would collect naturally underground to supply tap access.

Any vertical grows need to make sure they have sufficient pressure 100 psi or feed from the top I'd think. I abandoned the vertical for now as I just find the Horizontals give me better production.

I hate wasting light...but hey..it has to fit my needs not the other-way around.

But even still, I had to add a fogger to hit a plant's roots that are not in direct spray as they were drying slightly...even with all the fuckin' aerosol. So, best bet is to build your rig. The run it and see where you might need to make alteration before you load her up. Otherwise you are going to be disturbing your plants every-time you have to fix something...and you don't want that.

Like the WonderTwin grow, I totally neglected them..totally..they were like a total afterthought as I was just working on that rig while finishing my FAG. But you see, they just go insane..even without your help..if you keep them cycling.

As long as you are cycling and the Ph doesn't drop below 4 or above 7 you'll never really loose your plants. Death in Aero is hard as it is such a life support system, so you have to really fuck up to kill them honestly outside of just letting them dry out.

Like you saw in that cup trick, I can take fried dead looking clones that you'd toss thinking they were crisp and 12 hours later they are perky and back to normal.

But like this...you need to watch your plants.. these were put into my aerocloner, but I put the pump (sub) on cycle with the grow, which killed the pump. I didn't know it wasn't running for a day as the all the other clones had taps into the res below, so they stayed alive...these were fresh rooted and just tanked.

PS the 2" neo pucks fit the colars I used.

 

[Guest]

"But even still, I had to add a fogger to hit a plant's roots that are not in direct spray as they were drying slightly...even with all the fuckin' aerosol. So, best bet is to build your rig. The run it and see where you might need to make alteration before you load her up. Otherwise you are going to be disturbing your plants every-time you have to fix something...and you don't want that."

Nice piece of advise. I'll definately set the sites up after I check out the fog/mist pattern. Thanks...

GroNut