Super silver haze

[zachrockbadenof]

I don't want to seem rude to you, we are exchanging experiences, and as far as my experiences are concerned, mns is no longer the great seedbank that was 10/15 years ago,

the seeds i make ref. to are 12/15+ yrs old.. and in sowing 1/2 pack , i dont remember how many ladies i got, but it must have been 3-4, none were kept after 2 grows... we never cull after the 1st grow...

n to ojd... if i need to sprout a whole pack to find a keeper or 2, i should also find a keeper in a 1/2 pack -

 

[ojd]

3-4 females in not enough which is why you recieve 15 plus seeds a pack.

Anyone grows a whole pack(15 plus seeds) of SSH from MR nice is guaranteed to find a keeper or 2 .

Peace

 

[zachrockbadenof]

3-4 females in not enough which is why you recieve 15 plus seeds a pack.

Anyone grows a whole pack(15 plus seeds) of SSH from MR nice is guaranteed to find a keeper or 2 .

Peace

i checked yesterday, and i have 7 seeds left - i'll start em someday... dont have room as i just started '5' seeds of this rumored top tier weed...named ...chemmy jones... i hope i find a winner...

 

[funkyhorse]

The answer has been given by Shantibaba:

Hi All

So while many of you may feel you would wish me to be doing certain projects rather than others, it is in the end an individuals choice.
In recent years the amount of demand for the licence facilities in USA (3 states), the seed production of CBD crew and MNS as well as the seed bulk production for other companies, the formulation of certain recipes for end products of Dr. Nice, and all else....well i did not find time to spend working in one country long enough to do serious selections and trials that merit new strains. Sure we have a lot of ongoing unfinished projects which we fitted in bits and pieces of work, but not enough to conclude , test and verify all we need to do in MNS methodology to pass it into a new hybrid. We do not merely chemically induce selected females and call it a new strain, so please understand the differences in time invested in breeding verse female seed production or regular seed production. MNS takes at least 2 years if not more to start and finish new strains and there is still no guarantee these will be successful with all growers...so you can understand why companies sell female seed and come up with new names as quickly as they do...it is selected seed production not breeding.
Anyway Howard and I in 2007 went already towards medical areas of working on Cannabis, and Nevil declined my offer to join with us then and had spent effort to continue the search for the ultimate haze regular...that was when CBD crew came into being and our work as first CBD enriched seed began a lot of this movement in CBD...now some years later those decisions we all made meant our work loads and projects became different and more specialized.
It is what it is and we have our passions that drive us...sometimes one begins with one goal and on route readjust and reappraise ones ultimate goal. Nevertheless , what my individual passions in cannabis projects were and are, have changed dramatically over the years so i know some will be happier than others...but i and my crew can only do certain amount of work...but we do try to do it as best we can so all who use it benefit.

I do not think this thread needs to continue to do more than offer fair discussions about real experience with seeds in question rather than hypothesizing about others so called experiences with certain companies seed strains. I will accept any who has done a grow giving their opinion of their experience but not others...thanks


all the best Sb

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/236490-post22.html


So this is a very clear answer for me. If I would be looking into a feminized CBD variety, I would look for CBD Crew and no other because passion is there. But if I would be looking into an old school NLD variety I must search somewhere else because Shanti dont give a shit about drug varieties.
I find nothing wrong about this and his decissions except maybe for not stating this issue clearly and is hidden inside a forum after people spent a lot of money on bullshit.
What I do see is that his varieties and most seedbanks "sativa hybrids" are designed to grow and finnish at latitude 50N because thats where the market is and at the same time we are seeing indicas being grown with supplementary lighting in the tropics like Colombia...
Around the year 2000 in Holland all plantations were destroyed by the government and same happened in Switzerland a few years later. I guess only NL5 survived because all I see is WLD in the pictures posted from recent releases. Everybody drools about the cuts and seeds from 20 years ago

I am growing NL5xH 91' recently released by TSC which is an F3 of a Sensi pack from 1991.
It was born NLD and will die NLD. It seems it will go around 120 days
The Shantibaba NL5xH supposedly old school genes from the pictures Ive seen online is a WLD finnishing at around 80 days.
I guess some freeky mutations must have happened during this time in order to change the variety so much
The first picture is after 7 weeks, 2nd picture just showing sex after 4 weeks.

 

[ESTERCHASER]

i just wanted backround.......the minute the piss party starts im out! thx to those who tried to enlighten me and help know i greatly enjoy your candor. I refuse to see my dream tarnished!

 

[ESTERCHASER]

Also anyone coming to a thread i started thats not giving backround but here to be a negative energy need to find their corner and go back to it please.

 

[Thesearch]

This still doesn't answer my question on why Shanti's Black Widow, Medicine man, Shark shock; La nina, ect.. don't grow like when they first got released at GHS. It's most likely true about him losing some of his perantal stock, because those well know indica dominate strains are now mostly long flowering sativa dominate crap.

What I do see is that his varieties and most seedbanks "sativa hybrids" are designed to grow and finnish at latitude 50N because thats where the market is and at the same time we are seeing indicas being grown with supplementary lighting in the tropics like Colombia...
Around the year 2000 in Holland all plantations were destroyed by the government and same happened in Switzerland a few years later. I guess only NL5 survived because all I see is WLD in the pictures posted from recent releases. Everybody drools about the cuts and seeds from 20 years ago

I am growing NL5xH 91' recently released by TSC which is an F3 of a Sensi pack from 1991.
It was born NLD and will die NLD. It seems it will go around 120 days
The Shantibaba NL5xH supposedly old school genes from the pictures Ive seen online is a WLD finnishing at around 80 days.
I guess some freeky mutations must have happened during this time in order to change the variety so much
The first picture is after 7 weeks, 2nd picture just showing sex after 4 weeks.

Besides the fact that you both had very different perspectives on which way this is going, I just wanted to mention that the Indian variety in white/black widow, white rhino/medicine man etc. is a South Indian NLD variety, and the Brazilian Santa Maria strain is described as a sativa-hybrid (possibly because it was actually Planck and not the org Santa Maria). This means white/black widow is a sativa dominant hybrid or pure sativa, not indica or indica dominant, and so would follow the other white strains. Because true stability has virtually never been bred into cannabis, s1's and f1's aren't predictable and it is very likely that we will see some genetic drift if the line is not continually worked and reselected. The only way around this massive Sam style breeding project is cloning which brings up hype and possible issues like this. Landraces and strains like Malana and Zamal that have been selected for continuously for generations have huge ranges for selection but are somewhat more predictable for breeding. If you lose a landrace mother, it's possible to get another that is likely to hold those traits, if you lose an f1 mother that was a cross of two f1's you might have to make two crosses, sift for selection and if successful balance another cross's selection on top. A lot of clone only org plants are the best crossed with the best, strains that pop out as flukes delicately balanced in time as clones... to stabilize what might have been recessive traits in seed is extremely hard and time consuming, but the proof is in the plant. Fresh seed stock (like from f1s) is more likely to hold good genetics then f2s, f3s, etc that were just pollen chucked, or s1's which haven't been waded through. That said I would love to hunt for keepers and breeders all day and would do it as a full time job had I the land/space.

 

[willydread]

Besides the fact that you both had very different perspectives on which way this is going, I just wanted to mention that the Indian variety in white/black widow, white rhino/medicine man etc. is a South Indian NLD variety, and the Brazilian Santa Maria strain is described as a sativa-hybrid (possibly because it was actually Planck and not the org Santa Maria). This means white/black widow is a sativa dominant hybrid or pure sativa, not indica or indica dominant, and so would follow the other white strains. Because true stability has virtually never been bred into cannabis, s1's and f1's aren't predictable and it is very likely that we will see some genetic drift if the line is not continually worked and reselected. The only way around this massive Sam style breeding project is cloning which brings up hype and possible issues like this. Landraces and strains like Malana and Zamal that have been selected for continuously for generations have huge ranges for selection but are somewhat more predictable for breeding. If you lose a landrace mother, it's possible to get another that is likely to hold those traits, if you lose an f1 mother that was a cross of two f1's you might have to make two crosses, sift for selection and if successful balance another cross's selection on top. A lot of clone only org plants are the best crossed with the best, strains that pop out as flukes delicately balanced in time as clones... to stabilize what might have been recessive traits in seed is extremely hard and time consuming, but the proof is in the plant. Fresh seed stock (like from f1s) is more likely to hold good genetics then f2s, f3s, etc that were just pollen chucked, or s1's which haven't been waded through. That said I would love to hunt for keepers and breeders all day and would do it as a full time job had I the land/space.

The indian side of white /black widow is a "indica" from south India, maybe a modern hashplant...
Like a many others country,Indian farmers have abandoned traditional sativas to replace them with modern hybrids, faster to mature ...
According to Shanti, the Brazilian sativa came from some friends, so it is easier for the NLD part to come from Brazil than from Kerala ...

 

[ESTERCHASER]

i got bread now.....to spend.....just signed a lease on a canna friendly place.....no i havent slept in 48 hours im so fuken pumped!

 

[ESTERCHASER]

The answer has been given by Shantibaba:

Hi All

So while many of you may feel you would wish me to be doing certain projects rather than others, it is in the end an individuals choice.
In recent years the amount of demand for the licence facilities in USA (3 states), the seed production of CBD crew and MNS as well as the seed bulk production for other companies, the formulation of certain recipes for end products of Dr. Nice, and all else....well i did not find time to spend working in one country long enough to do serious selections and trials that merit new strains. Sure we have a lot of ongoing unfinished projects which we fitted in bits and pieces of work, but not enough to conclude , test and verify all we need to do in MNS methodology to pass it into a new hybrid. We do not merely chemically induce selected females and call it a new strain, so please understand the differences in time invested in breeding verse female seed production or regular seed production. MNS takes at least 2 years if not more to start and finish new strains and there is still no guarantee these will be successful with all growers...so you can understand why companies sell female seed and come up with new names as quickly as they do...it is selected seed production not breeding.
Anyway Howard and I in 2007 went already towards medical areas of working on Cannabis, and Nevil declined my offer to join with us then and had spent effort to continue the search for the ultimate haze regular...that was when CBD crew came into being and our work as first CBD enriched seed began a lot of this movement in CBD...now some years later those decisions we all made meant our work loads and projects became different and more specialized.
It is what it is and we have our passions that drive us...sometimes one begins with one goal and on route readjust and reappraise ones ultimate goal. Nevertheless , what my individual passions in cannabis projects were and are, have changed dramatically over the years so i know some will be happier than others...but i and my crew can only do certain amount of work...but we do try to do it as best we can so all who use it benefit.

I do not think this thread needs to continue to do more than offer fair discussions about real experience with seeds in question rather than hypothesizing about others so called experiences with certain companies seed strains. I will accept any who has done a grow giving their opinion of their experience but not others...thanks


all the best Sb

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/236490-post22.html


So this is a very clear answer for me. If I would be looking into a feminized CBD variety, I would look for CBD Crew and no other because passion is there. But if I would be looking into an old school NLD variety I must search somewhere else because Shanti dont give a shit about drug varieties.
I find nothing wrong about this and his decissions except maybe for not stating this issue clearly and is hidden inside a forum after people spent a lot of money on bullshit.
What I do see is that his varieties and most seedbanks "sativa hybrids" are designed to grow and finnish at latitude 50N because thats where the market is and at the same time we are seeing indicas being grown with supplementary lighting in the tropics like Colombia...
Around the year 2000 in Holland all plantations were destroyed by the government and same happened in Switzerland a few years later. I guess only NL5 survived because all I see is WLD in the pictures posted from recent releases. Everybody drools about the cuts and seeds from 20 years ago

I am growing NL5xH 91' recently released by TSC which is an F3 of a Sensi pack from 1991.
It was born NLD and will die NLD. It seems it will go around 120 days
The Shantibaba NL5xH supposedly old school genes from the pictures Ive seen online is a WLD finnishing at around 80 days.
I guess some freeky mutations must have happened during this time in order to change the variety so much
The first picture is after 7 weeks, 2nd picture just showing sex after 4 weeks.

NAMASTE!

 

[ESTERCHASER]

The indian side of white /black widow is a "indica" from south India, maybe a modern hashplant...
Like a many others country,Indian farmers have abandoned traditional sativas to replace them with modern hybrids, faster to mature ...
According to Shanti, the Brazilian sativa came from some friends, so it is easier for the NLD part to come from Brazil than from Kerala ...

its funny for me because while i adore cbd rich products, i digress i prefer full spectrum decent thc numbers the entire enchilada sorta speak!

 

[rhinoman 1]

The indian side is Nepalese. The original offering from ghs was a Brazilian sativa/indian× a non discrip. indica.

 

[ESTERCHASER]

The indian side is Nepalese. The original offering from ghs was a Brazilian sativa/indian× a non discrip. indica.

whatever year that DNA dropped the kosher i bought a pack and med amn from mr nice at riu, i believe back then sea of seeds was my go to......i only popped 3 med amn seeds and was overwhelmed by the way they grew arpound my 600 koolltube, ive never had a equatorial sat like that so i was overwhelmed and happy at the same time. I need another go with that cultivar!

 

[HalfArsedFarmer]

Just seeing this thread now.


I got some good SSH crosses from Beanhorder, ones where they were nearly all SSH just with better flowering times & selection done for me.



That being Said if you have the time & space to select your mother then it's Shanti all the way & if you go to his auction site you can get his seeds for half the price vendors sell them for!!


My Beanhorder seeds were selections he made & they were good selections.

 

[ESTERCHASER]

your an encylopedia of cannabis i love it! Ill see what i can do this week in grabbing at least 1-2 packs of ssh....one from mr .nice although here in vermont im unsure where to grab his stuff locally.the id like to try the is it cobalt haze? the one mentioned in the thread earlier by highsteppa! Im in it to win it guys, im so happy im legal now!!!!
I have a cultivar i got from jamaicans i used to pick apples with in the early 90's....id love to see what you could do with some of the seedstock.....

found a way.......150 a whack i gotta put my big boy boots on for this round lol

 

[Fitzera]

Just seeing this thread now.


I got some good SSH crosses from Beanhorder, ones where they were nearly all SSH just with better flowering times & selection done for me.



That being Said if you have the time & space to select your mother then it's Shanti all the way & if you go to his auction site you can get his seeds for half the price vendors sell them for!!


My Beanhorder seeds were selections he made & they were good selections.

I cant wait to pop more of his x's. I've only tried the sour d x SSH and I got sour d leaning for sure. But ive got alot more in the vault to explore. I wish there were more logs to be found

 

[mctasty]

This is a great thread. I have been wondering lately the best place to look for SSH in seed this thread has helped.

 

[funkyhorse]

I would like to clarify about Santa Maria. This is not a strain but the name given to marihuana by followers of a line inside Santo Daime religion led by Padrinho Sebastiao Mota de Melo. https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastião_Mota_de_Melo
The cut was probably picked from the garden of a follower


I am currently growing La Nina and a cross of Santa Maria/Cerise d'Exo Planck or however you want to call it with Lemon Thai side by side
La Nina is an indica plant with a stretch x2 that changes the shape of leaves in flowering and it turns to sativa leaves like Satva explained would happen with Nevil Haze
Cerise/Planck x Lemon Thai makes the same trick. It grows vegetative like indica, but stretches x4 in flowering and like La Nina it changes leaves in flowering to sativa leaves.


I hope it helps, knowing the history and geography of your strain should help you grow a better plant


Happy 2020 everybody

 

[ESTERCHASER]

took the plunge, got my pack on the way, holy grail numbers on those ssh cultivars, im just happy your work is available for us to enjoy shanti! many thx

 

[grayeyes]

Mohaib,

As far as I know seeds are not illegal. What you do with them maybe but in legal states they are not illegal.

And to clarify, I traded for my SSH. I got some interesting combinations. Some had a chocolate taste to them and since I knew the guy I traded with grew thai I assume there was some cross pollination that took place. One of the others had a hashy psychedelic phenome that was kind of amazing. The other one that I seeded was from a feminized seed that I bought that came out very stoney as much as the original.

SSH will kick your backside with that initial slap.